Tottenham Court Road to go 2 way

[T.R.]

Road surfacing outside Centerpoint continues.


Based on the alignment, the illegal left turn to Oxford Street would be difficult. (I bet it wouldn't stop a vehicle from attempting it!)

Been told that the 14/24/29/134 are on diversion until July 31st(!).

[HA2215]

May 17, 2014 12:02:16 GMT vjaska said:

May 17, 2014 11:14:23 GMT snoggle said:

A couple of comments - I wouldn't say any London council was full of "left wing nut cutlets" these days. We've moved on a long way from the worst excesses of the 1980s. It is quite clear that traffic levels in the centre of town are lower than before and TCR is in the congestion charge zone.

I would point out that Boris has been in charge when most gyratories have been removed or remodelled and more are on the way. Trafalgar Square was Ken's big scheme but it is Boris who's continued the trend. Although this is a Camden scheme it is in line with the Mayor's strategies just as the Piccadilly 2 way scheme, that Westminster City Council did, was. Tottenham Hale is the latest one with Aldgate, Vauxhall and Elephant and Castle to follow.

I think there is a bit of a "fashion" in traffic planning to remove gyratories just as there was in the 1960s to create them! My own view is that its not yet clear whether the end result justifies all the expense. I'm certainly not convinced by the T Hale gyratory removal as it seems to have slowed everything down and people still drive down Broad Lane despite the main flow being via different roads!

The Tulse Hill gyratory system is also apparently set to change too though with £5 million earmarked for improvements, some of which should be implemented by Christmas.

EDIT: just found a small summary of the changes for the 17 junctions that will be upgraded:

Croydon Fiveways – Major work to reduce traffic congestion in the local area and support growth in Croydon's metropolitan centre

Balham High Road (Balham Boulevard) – The Balham Boulevard scheme will provide improvements to support the Balham Boulevard project including better pedestrian and cycling facilities and investment in public realm, including the planting of new trees

Brent Cross/Cricklewood – Creation of a new road layouts and public spaces in the area to support new development and improve access to retail, dining and leisure facilities

Charlie Brown's Roundabout – Improved facilities for pedestrians and cyclists, including new signal controlled crossings

Euston Road – The creation of better crossings for pedestrians and cyclists, improvements to the local environment and work to support the movement of buses and other road users along Euston Road

Lombard Roundabout – Major improvements to the operation of the roundabout and the creation of better facilities for cyclists and pedestrians

London Road Roundabout – Improvements to the roundabout, including facilities to make it safer for cyclists travelling through the area

Malden Rushett – Wider improvements to the A243 Leatherhead Road junction with Rushett Lane and Fairoak Lane, including a big focus on road safety and installation of new pedestrian crossings

Mill Hill Circus – Work to reduce congestion and improve journey time reliability in the area

Purley Cross Gyratory – Improvements to the the quality of public realm and better access through the area for bus passengers and other road users

Renwick Road (Barking Riverside) – Safer access for road users, including pedestrians and cyclists, to the Barking Riverside development from the A13

Seven Sisters Road – Woodberry Down – Scheme to deliver safe, reliable and accessible road improvements to support new housing development in the local area

Stoke Newington Gyratory – an upgrade of the existing road layout to make it safer and more easier accessible for pedestrians and cyclists

Thornton Heath Ponds – Focused on improving the quality of public realm around Thornton Heath Pond

Trinity Road/Burntwood Lane – Work to reduce congestion and delays at the junction of Trinity Road and Burntwood Lane

Tulse Hill Gyratory – Shorter-term scheme to improve road safety ahead of a longer–term scheme to address concerns about the operation of the gyratory

Victoria Circus – Improvements to the local area for pedestrian and cyclists to support the major upgrade at Victoria Station.

I do believe the THG was put into a 2 way system in regards to assisting the movement of traffic and pedestrian flow when the new Tottenham Stadium is built. it was also to assist the flow of the buses around the stadium during game time.

[T.R.]

Charing Cross road surfacing complete. Hopefully it won't be long until the final station entrance opens on New Oxford Street.

[snoggle]

Jul 18, 2016 18:46:39 GMT T.R. said:

Charing Cross road surfacing complete. Hopefully it won't be long until the final station entrance opens on New Oxford Street.

15 September is the target date (source TfL Q4 Investment Report). Bond St is next year. Victoria (new Nthn ticket hall) is Dec 2016. Other works continue until early 2018.

[T.R.]

From my previous post,northbound traffic has been restored to Charing Cross Road. (no passing under Centerpoint for the first time since 2009)

[snoggle]

Aug 1, 2016 10:49:45 GMT T.R. said:

From my previous post,northbound traffic has been restored to Charing Cross Road. (no passing under Centerpoint for the first time since 2009)

The TCR works must be nearing completion as the Charing X Road entrance is temporarily closed which suggests work going on to complete all the finishes / paving to the new entrance and extra gatelines for the Central Line.

[T.R.]

Sorry to dig this up.
With the other schemes going on around town, has there been any progress on this?

[snoggle]

May 8, 2017 8:16:14 GMT T.R. said:

Sorry to dig this up.
With the other schemes going on around town, has there been any progress on this?

Approved by Camden Council in Jan 2015 but no demonstrable update on their website.

www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/transport-and-streets/transport-strategies/west-end-project.en?page=1#section-1

I'd hazard a guess that a lot of planning work is going on to see how to do the work without bringing the entire West End to a halt. TfL and the Mayor cannot afford to have another enormous congestion debacle land on their doorstep especially when TfL money is partly funding the scheme. The taxi trade are also against the entire scheme and the Mayor (well any Mayor to be honest given they hated Boris as well) will want to minimise the ability of the cabbies to demonstrate every 3 nanoseconds causing massive jams in consequence. In short I suspect it's become embroiled in politics over how to implement the scheme without too much fallout.

I should add that the plans to pedestrianise Oxford St *and* reroute buses is another complication that Camden may not have factored in. Two large complex schemes happening at the same time have the potential to cause utter chaos and to undermine the ability of TfL to keep buses running. There is a lot of potential impact here on bus stand space and availability around TCR.

[John tuthill]

May 8, 2017 11:46:01 GMT snoggle said:

May 8, 2017 8:16:14 GMT T.R. said:

Sorry to dig this up.
With the other schemes going on around town, has there been any progress on this?

Approved by Camden Council in Jan 2015 but no demonstrable update on their website.

www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/transport-and-streets/transport-strategies/west-end-project.en?page=1#section-1

I'd hazard a guess that a lot of planning work is going on to see how to do the work without bringing the entire West End to a halt. TfL and the Mayor cannot afford to have another enormous congestion debacle land on their doorstep especially when TfL money is partly funding the scheme. The taxi trade are also against the entire scheme and the Mayor (well any Mayor to be honest given they hated Boris as well) will want to minimise the ability of the cabbies to demonstrate every 3 nanoseconds causing massive jams in consequence. In short I suspect it's become embroiled in politics over how to implement the scheme without too much fallout.

I should add that the plans to pedestrianise Oxford St *and* reroute buses is another complication that Camden may not have factored in. Two large complex schemes happening at the same time have the potential to cause utter chaos and to undermine the ability of TfL to keep buses running. There is a lot of potential impact here on bus stand space and availability around TCR.

I'm old enough to remember when the present one way system was introduced in the '60s. It was brought in if I remember to 'reduce congestion and improve traffic flow.' The only people who would benefit from a two way system would possibly be the residents of Gower Street, but then I'm no 'traffic expert'

[sid]

May 8, 2017 12:31:45 GMT John tuthill said:

May 8, 2017 11:46:01 GMT snoggle said:

Approved by Camden Council in Jan 2015 but no demonstrable update on their website.

www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/transport-and-streets/transport-strategies/west-end-project.en?page=1#section-1

I'd hazard a guess that a lot of planning work is going on to see how to do the work without bringing the entire West End to a halt. TfL and the Mayor cannot afford to have another enormous congestion debacle land on their doorstep especially when TfL money is partly funding the scheme. The taxi trade are also against the entire scheme and the Mayor (well any Mayor to be honest given they hated Boris as well) will want to minimise the ability of the cabbies to demonstrate every 3 nanoseconds causing massive jams in consequence. In short I suspect it's become embroiled in politics over how to implement the scheme without too much fallout.

I should add that the plans to pedestrianise Oxford St *and* reroute buses is another complication that Camden may not have factored in. Two large complex schemes happening at the same time have the potential to cause utter chaos and to undermine the ability of TfL to keep buses running. There is a lot of potential impact here on bus stand space and availability around TCR.

I'm old enough to remember when the present one way system was introduced in the '60s. It was brought in if I remember to 'reduce congestion and improve traffic flow.' The only people who would benefit from a two way system would possibly be the residents of Gower Street, but then I'm no 'traffic expert'

A different world back then, the aim was just to get traffic moving but there are other priorities nowadays.

[redbus]

May 8, 2017 11:46:01 GMT snoggle said:

May 8, 2017 8:16:14 GMT T.R. said:

Sorry to dig this up.
With the other schemes going on around town, has there been any progress on this?

Approved by Camden Council in Jan 2015 but no demonstrable update on their website.

www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/transport-and-streets/transport-strategies/west-end-project.en?page=1#section-1

I'd hazard a guess that a lot of planning work is going on to see how to do the work without bringing the entire West End to a halt. TfL and the Mayor cannot afford to have another enormous congestion debacle land on their doorstep especially when TfL money is partly funding the scheme. The taxi trade are also against the entire scheme and the Mayor (well any Mayor to be honest given they hated Boris as well) will want to minimise the ability of the cabbies to demonstrate every 3 nanoseconds causing massive jams in consequence. In short I suspect it's become embroiled in politics over how to implement the scheme without too much fallout.

I should add that the plans to pedestrianise Oxford St *and* reroute buses is another complication that Camden may not have factored in. Two large complex schemes happening at the same time have the potential to cause utter chaos and to undermine the ability of TfL to keep buses running. There is a lot of potential impact here on bus stand space and availability around TCR.

If both TCR and Oxford Street become in effect a joint scheme, it also gives the opportunity to re-examine the work involved and make a plan to undertake the work without creating massive jams. On many of the previous schemes there appears to have been little thought on how to minimise congestion during the works. I believe that with better planning and the best minds on how to minimise resultant jams, it is quite possible to achieve the works without massive jams.

[snoggle]

May 8, 2017 18:12:03 GMT redbus said:

If both TCR and Oxford Street become in effect a joint scheme, it also gives the opportunity to re-examine the work involved and make a plan to undertake the work without creating massive jams. On many of the previous schemes there appears to have been little thought on how to minimise congestion during the works. I believe that with better planning and the best minds on how to minimise resultant jams, it is quite possible to achieve the works without massive jams.

Let's hope so. I don't think TfL will keep its reputation intact if we have another road works related shambles and the bus network in yet another mess. They've made enough mistakes on past works to learn a shed load of lessons on how to do things vastly better and how to stop wrecking people's ability to get around.

[routew15]

Work to start on people-friendly Tottenham Court Rd