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Post by snoggle on May 22, 2014 10:43:33 GMT
Well I spent yesterday updating my spreadsheet with the ridership numbers for 2013/14. As TfL have already said there was a further increase in usage last year to over 2.4bn passenger journeys. Now the spreadsheet numbers that TfL have released don't add up to 2.4bn as TfL make adjustments to the numbers. Nonetheless there are 53m more journeys than in the previous year. A few highlights - Highest percentage increase (36%) is on route 498. Must be down to all those evening trips by DW498.  - Second highest is on the 499 (25%). Both routes show what happens when you increase frequencies and add new links to routes. - The 339 has had a big increase for the third year running but again no shock given all the route extensions and new links. - Other big percentage increases on the 66, 255, 318, 370, 488, 491 and H18/19. All these routes have seen some form of improvement. - Sorry to say to the forum naysayers but routes 129 and 415 both had increases in patronage - 7.6% on the 129 and 3.3% on the 415  - Several radial routes into Zone 1 have not seen any real increase in patronage suggesting these may be reaching saturation. - Locally to me the W11 and W15 have both had big increases in patronage with the W15 now carrying over 6m a year - still the busiest single deck route in London. - Something strange going on with routes in Inner NW London - the 28, 31, 52, 328 and 452 have all seen falls for the 2nd or 3rd years in a row. - The NB4L operated 9, 11, 24 and 390 have all seen increases in patronage. The Heritage 9 has seen quite a big drop. - Nearly all Brixton area routes have seen increases in patronage - all the big trunk routes plus smaller ones like the P5 and 322. - Route 25 remains the busiest service but only a modest rise in passengers last year. - Biggest drop in usage is on the D6 (12%) which must be linked to the curtailment at Ash Grove as a result of the Narrow Way closure. Shows what happens when you remove a key traffic objective from a route. |
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Post by vjaska on May 22, 2014 11:34:50 GMT
Well I spent yesterday updating my spreadsheet with the ridership numbers for 2013/14. As TfL have already said there was a further increase in usage last year to over 2.4bn passenger journeys. Now the spreadsheet numbers that TfL have released don't add up to 2.4bn as TfL make adjustments to the numbers. Nonetheless there are 53m more journeys than in the previous year. A few highlights - Highest percentage increase (36%) is on route 498. Must be down to all those evening trips by DW498. - Second highest is on the 499 (25%). Both routes show what happens when you increase frequencies and add new links to routes. - The 339 has had a big increase for the third year running but again no shock given all the route extensions and new links. - Other big percentage increases on the 66, 255, 318, 370, 488, 491 and H18/19. All these routes have seen some form of improvement. - Sorry to say to the forum naysayers but routes 129 and 415 both had increases in patronage - 7.6% on the 129 and 3.3% on the 415 - Several radial routes into Zone 1 have not seen any real increase in patronage suggesting these may be reaching saturation. - Locally to me the W11 and W15 have both had big increases in patronage with the W15 now carrying over 6m a year - still the busiest single deck route in London. - Something strange going on with routes in Inner NW London - the 28, 31, 52, 328 and 452 have all seen falls for the 2nd or 3rd years in a row. - The NB4L operated 9, 11, 24 and 390 have all seen increases in patronage. The Heritage 9 has seen quite a big drop. - Nearly all Brixton area routes have seen increases in patronage - all the big trunk routes plus smaller ones like the P5 and 322. - Route 25 remains the busiest service but only a modest rise in passengers last year. - Biggest drop in usage is on the D6 (12%) which must be linked to the curtailment at Ash Grove as a result of the Narrow Way closure. Shows what happens when you remove a key traffic objective from a route. Not surprised that nearly all Brixton routes have seen increases - the place seems to get busier by the day. It's also a major gateway into South & South East London. |
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Post by Steve80 on May 22, 2014 23:39:40 GMT
I had a quick look at the patronage numbers for 2013/14 and if comparing it to last year Abellio's routes, the 156 and 344 have seen increases of around 40.000 passengers? The 137 had a similar increase as well but the 452 has gone down a similar number. Wonder what's happening in and around Nine Elms?
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Post by Steve80 on May 23, 2014 0:17:36 GMT
Well I spent yesterday updating my spreadsheet with the ridership numbers for 2013/14. As TfL have already said there was a further increase in usage last year to over 2.4bn passenger journeys. Now the spreadsheet numbers that TfL have released don't add up to 2.4bn as TfL make adjustments to the numbers. Nonetheless there are 53m more journeys than in the previous year. A few highlights - Highest percentage increase (36%) is on route 498. Must be down to all those evening trips by DW498. - Second highest is on the 499 (25%). Both routes show what happens when you increase frequencies and add new links to routes. - The 339 has had a big increase for the third year running but again no shock given all the route extensions and new links. - Other big percentage increases on the 66, 255, 318, 370, 488, 491 and H18/19. All these routes have seen some form of improvement. - Sorry to say to the forum naysayers but routes 129 and 415 both had increases in patronage - 7.6% on the 129 and 3.3% on the 415 - Several radial routes into Zone 1 have not seen any real increase in patronage suggesting these may be reaching saturation. - Locally to me the W11 and W15 have both had big increases in patronage with the W15 now carrying over 6m a year - still the busiest single deck route in London. - Something strange going on with routes in Inner NW London - the 28, 31, 52, 328 and 452 have all seen falls for the 2nd or 3rd years in a row. - The NB4L operated 9, 11, 24 and 390 have all seen increases in patronage. The Heritage 9 has seen quite a big drop. - Nearly all Brixton area routes have seen increases in patronage - all the big trunk routes plus smaller ones like the P5 and 322. - Route 25 remains the busiest service but only a modest rise in passengers last year. - Biggest drop in usage is on the D6 (12%) which must be linked to the curtailment at Ash Grove as a result of the Narrow Way closure. Shows what happens when you remove a key traffic objective from a route. Not surprised that nearly all Brixton routes have seen increases - the place seems to get busier by the day. It's also a major gateway into South & South East London. Yes, the 322 is getting too busy for my liking. The running times has also changed and I find it difficult to run on time although the buses itself seems to be the main problem as some are a bit slow. However, the main reason is that those darts have poor suspension meaning I have to restrict my speed so as not to make the passengers feel uncomfortable. |
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2014 0:46:11 GMT
I had a quick look at the patronage numbers for 2013/14 and if comparing it to last year Abellio's routes, the 156 and 344 have seen increases of around 40.000 passengers? The 137 had a similar increase as well but the 452 has gone down a similar number. Wonder what's happening in and around Nine Elms? Try 400,000 extra trips on both the 156 and 344, not 40,000! If I was to guess then Vauxhall has become vastly busier as an interchange point but the building work in the area will have pulled in hundreds / thousands of construction workers and many of them do use buses! It's the millionnaire future residents and Chinese hotel users who won't use the buses plus the interchange will probably be flattened making the area less attractive as an interchange. You have to be careful with the 137 as its patronage has fluctuated over the years. It was actually busier 3-4 years ago than it currently is. |
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Post by guybowden on May 23, 2014 7:46:10 GMT
With an increase of 7.6% the 129 does warrant double deckers and those single deckers are used as spares for the 108 and 225. (NX Engineering Manager confirmed this at a CPC module I attended earlier this year).
I take it the 136 numbers don't include the extension? but an increase of 140,000 odd is quite significant. I'm surprised the 61 is so low for a double deck route.
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Post by Green Kitten on May 23, 2014 8:55:09 GMT
Forgive me for being slow but where can you find this info?
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Post by 6HP502C on May 23, 2014 11:51:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 20:13:48 GMT
For anyone else who may be confused on first glance, though the file linked to is called "Bus passenger usage data 2010/11", it does have each years data since. Now all they need to do is include the total length of the route, the scheduled route milage, the scheduled number of bus runs per week and the average capacity of the vehicles specified in the tender! Then we can spend a few nights multiplying and dividing them in various combinations  |
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2014 21:02:26 GMT
With an increase of 7.6% the 129 does warrant double deckers and those single deckers are used as spares for the 108 and 225. (NX Engineering Manager confirmed this at a CPC module I attended earlier this year). I take it the 136 numbers don't include the extension? but an increase of 140,000 odd is quite significant. I'm surprised the 61 is so low for a double deck route. The 136's numbers will not include the extension yet. Expect a big increase in next year's numbers plus some adjustment to the 343. What is odd is that the 436 hasn't seen any sort of increase last year but the 136 did. I do wonder if the cross Lewisham nature of the 136 makes it a more attractive choice than the 436. There are all sorts of oddities when you start to look at the data. Routes with double decks that seem to provide too many seats (although may have high school time peak loadings). Frequencies which are not remotely consistent for similar levels of patronage - this reflects the rise of newer suburban routes with modest frequencies and the decline of much more long standing radial routes with more generous frequencies that haven't been trimmed back. There is really quite a lot TfL could do if it put its mind to it to "equalise" some of these inconsistencies and free up some resources for other things. |
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2014 21:06:22 GMT
Forgive me for being slow but where can you find this info? When I have finished all my extra data entry for capacities and some other tweaks I'll post the spreadsheet that has 13 years of data including the recent stuff. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on May 24, 2014 1:37:34 GMT
For anyone else who may be confused on first glance, though the file linked to is called "Bus passenger usage data 2010/11", it does have each years data since. Now all they need to do is include the total length of the route, the scheduled route milage, the scheduled number of bus runs per week and the average capacity of the vehicles specified in the tender! Then we can spend a few nights multiplying and dividing them in various combinations Well I have been looking at the data, and come up with the *busiest* and *least busy* routes, by looking at the operated mileage against the patronage. I have split it into single and double deck routes to show the capacity difference, I am not however going to delve into the seating capacity of each allocated vehicle to the route, I haven't got that much spare time on my hands (although probably too much time as it is!!) Anyway, this is obviously just a sample of the routes which have the most/least boardings per mile operated. It may give an indication of overcrowding/over-bused, but is not necessarily representative due to the obvious indeterminable factors such as length of journey the average passenger on the route has, and whether the route is prone to high spikes in peak demand. We do not have any data of these factors, so have to work with what we have. I do however believe that it is fairly representative when comparing my experiences travelling. Busiest Double Deck Routes1)W7 2)330 3)60 4)104 5)58 6)238 7)EL1 8)29 9)149 10)271 Busiest Single Deck Routes1)507 2)521 3)355 4)316 5)214 6)D6 7)W4 8)236 9)42 10)C11 Least Busy Double Deck Routes1)350 2)492 3)498 4)467 5)353 6)370 7)160 8)412 9)405 10)61 Least Busy Single Deck Routes1)R5 2)R10 3)H3 4)R8 5)146 6)347 7)399 8)375 9)359 10)246 Few points: Routes 507/521 are obvious as being the busiest due to their nature. Routes like the X26 would fall down the list as they carry passengers for longer distances (as I assume do faster, cross boundary services like the 370) meaning that it is highly likely that they will be busier than this suggests. The majority of the routes I belive are fairly comparable. Make of this what you will. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on May 24, 2014 2:03:55 GMT
Whilst I'm at it, Night Routes:
Most Busy (In Order):
N35, 69, 149, 243, N205, 25, 12, N73, N109, N2
Least Busy (In Order):
365, 33, 472, N64, 321, 119, 213, 128, 102, 111
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Post by vjaska on May 24, 2014 2:47:32 GMT
For anyone else who may be confused on first glance, though the file linked to is called "Bus passenger usage data 2010/11", it does have each years data since. Now all they need to do is include the total length of the route, the scheduled route milage, the scheduled number of bus runs per week and the average capacity of the vehicles specified in the tender! Then we can spend a few nights multiplying and dividing them in various combinations Well I have been looking at the data, and come up with the *busiest* and *least busy* routes, by looking at the operated mileage against the patronage. I have split it into single and double deck routes to show the capacity difference, I am not however going to delve into the seating capacity of each allocated vehicle to the route, I haven't got that much spare time on my hands (although probably too much time as it is!!) Anyway, this is obviously just a sample of the routes which have the most/least boardings per mile operated. It may give an indication of overcrowding/over-bused, but is not necessarily representative due to the obvious indeterminable factors such as length of journey the average passenger on the route has, and whether the route is prone to high spikes in peak demand. We do not have any data of these factors, so have to work with what we have. I do however believe that it is fairly representative when comparing my experiences travelling. Busiest Single Deck Routes3)355 Now everyone will realise why I say this route needs double deckers - ever since the route was re-routed to Brixton, it's been getting busier & busier and I'm afraid it won't stop there. |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 24, 2014 9:29:21 GMT
For anyone else who may be confused on first glance, though the file linked to is called "Bus passenger usage data 2010/11", it does have each years data since. Now all they need to do is include the total length of the route, the scheduled route milage, the scheduled number of bus runs per week and the average capacity of the vehicles specified in the tender! Then we can spend a few nights multiplying and dividing them in various combinations Well I have been looking at the data, and come up with the *busiest* and *least busy* routes, by looking at the operated mileage against the patronage. I have split it into single and double deck routes to show the capacity difference, I am not however going to delve into the seating capacity of each allocated vehicle to the route, I haven't got that much spare time on my hands (although probably too much time as it is!!) Anyway, this is obviously just a sample of the routes which have the most/least boardings per mile operated. It may give an indication of overcrowding/over-bused, but is not necessarily representative due to the obvious indeterminable factors such as length of journey the average passenger on the route has, and whether the route is prone to high spikes in peak demand. We do not have any data of these factors, so have to work with what we have. I do however believe that it is fairly representative when comparing my experiences travelling. Busiest Double Deck Routes1)W7 2)330 3)60 4)104 5)58 6)238 7)EL1 8)29 9)149 10)271 Busiest Single Deck Routes1)507 2)521 3)355 4)316 5)214 6)D6 7)W4 8)236 9)42 10)C11 Least Busy Double Deck Routes1)350 2)492 3)498 4)467 5)353 6)370 7)160 8)412 9)405 10)61 Least Busy Single Deck Routes1)R5 2)R10 3)H3 4)R8 5)146 6)347 7)399 8)375 9)359 10)246 Few points: Routes 507/521 are obvious as being the busiest due to their nature. Routes like the X26 would fall down the list as they carry passengers for longer distances (as I assume do faster, cross boundary services like the 370) meaning that it is highly likely that they will be busier than this suggests. The majority of the routes I belive are fairly comparable. Make of this what you will. I think you meant 69 at number 3, for most busiest double deckers. 330 is more efficient than I thought. The 330, 104, 58 and 238 all serve the Green Street/Upton Park area. The 69 is a 24 hour route so the numbers I assume are effected by that, and make it seem more busy than it could be. |
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