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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 18:55:01 GMT
Hi folks,
I was wondering what the boards views are on blanket 20mph speed restrictions in London. Camden and Islington have gone over already and I believe the City is going over sometime in July.
What made me think about this was an experience I had the other day, I was driving up North End Road having been in Barnet all morning and crossed the boundary into Camden council, at this point you're instructed by a plethora of signs to drop your speed to 20. Being a responsible driver (as is everyone on here I'd imagine!) I duly did this. Having reduced my speed, I was subject to arseyness by other road users behind me. One rather unfortunate gentleman sat behind me beeping and flashing his headlights at me before overtaking me in a rather dangerous fashion. From then I also had people tailgating me.
Much as I agree with 20mph on paper and think any step to reduce accidents is a good thing, I'm starting to wonder if this is a good idea. My worry is that new drivers will get involved in aggrivated incidents because of afforementioned arseyness.
What are your views?
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Post by guybowden on May 26, 2014 19:18:42 GMT
I agree with it on non main roads as it in theory can reduce serious/fatal accidents and could lower pollutants coming from cars, but on main roads the limit should stay at 30 because you psychically can't do the speed limit at certain times of the day. Cars now a days are built so that when you are cruising along at 40 it feels like 30 depending on the condition of the road surface that is! No matter what the speed limit is you will always get one person who makes it there mission to drive as fast as possible on main roads regardless of conditions!
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Post by vjaska on May 26, 2014 19:39:41 GMT
I agree with it on non main roads as it in theory can reduce serious/fatal accidents and could lower pollutants coming from cars, but on main roads the limit should stay at 30 because you psychically can't do the speed limit at certain times of the day. Cars now a days are built so that when you are cruising along at 40 it feels like 30 depending on the condition of the road surface that is! No matter what the speed limit is you will always get one person who makes it there mission to drive as fast as possible on main roads regardless of conditions! Agree with this, I've no problem with smaller side roads being 20mph (some side roads can be classed as important thoroughfares) but main roads should be left as 30mph - personally Islington & the City are causing more trouble than good. What I do have a problem with is traffic calming measures, particularly on bus routes and chicane style roads where you have to zig zag when following the actual road (Southcroft Road in Tooting an excellent example). It's very dubious that these make built up areas safer and in fact, some roads are now more dangerous due to either poorly positioned traffic calming measures or ones that are neglected and fall into disrepair. Then we have the ludicrous decision of having speed humps on main roads (another excellent example being a section of Tulse Hill which has some), they don't slow traffic down. |
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Post by londonbusboy on May 26, 2014 20:48:03 GMT
When i used to do the 136 i got baffled in New Cross because new signs went up most of them with a bag/paper over them, on the return journey i noticed one didnt and stated 20mph (that confused me as i werent sure if it were 20 or 30 i assumed it had accidently fallen off) the following time i did the route a couple others were uncovered saying 20mph and i was shocked really as thats a main road.
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Post by jay38a on May 27, 2014 10:50:28 GMT
They make it 20mph but:
1) Speed Cameras cannot detected under 30mph
2) Nor do police speed trap devices track under 30
So it's near enough not enforceable anyway, but id always keep to 20 in a 20 anyway.
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Post by M1104 on May 27, 2014 11:12:51 GMT
I briefly remember an article about an experiment to get a set of pelican crossing lights to change to red whenever cars are caught speeding, this delaying the drivers even more so than if they were driving within the speed limit. Obviously this would not work in most residential roads as they wouldn't have the lights, but it could be a great deterrent for traffic on the high streets... where pelican crossings are already in abundance.
Regarding the 20mph speed limit, how about 25mph on the high streets instead? In the United States, most city/residential roads are at that speed limit despite their roads being much more 'speedable'.
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Post by joefrombow on May 27, 2014 23:20:03 GMT
I think 20's fine for all small roads and back roads but main roads should still be 30 driving through Islington at 3 in the morning doing 20mph when the road is empty is a bit of pain if it was London wide it would be ridiculous , Most of the time traffic doesn't allow for speeds of more than 20.
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Post by rambo on Jun 2, 2014 23:19:15 GMT
A few more years and we will have the man with the red flag in front of us..................
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Post by snowman on Nov 24, 2018 7:30:59 GMT
Guess what, Government has published results of a 4 year study into 20mph zones The four-year study, commissioned by the Department for Transport (DfT), reveals that drivers in built-up areas are unlikely to comply with 20mph speed limits - with many relying on their judgement over what speed to drive at rather than the official 20 or 30mph speed limit. The report analysed GPS data from cars in 12 case study areas, comparing average speed before and after 20mph zones were introduced. It discovered that the average speed has fallen by just 0.7mph in 20mph zones in residential areas, and 0.9mph in city centres. The research suggests "no significant change" in the number of crashes on 20mph roads compared to when they had a 30mph limit. Also, blanket 20mph zones dilute the speed limit’s effectiveness and compliance www.gov.uk/government/publications/20-mph-speed-limits-on-roads |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 24, 2018 8:54:10 GMT
Guess what, Government has published results of a 4 year study into 20mph zones The four-year study, commissioned by the Department for Transport (DfT), reveals that drivers in built-up areas are unlikely to comply with 20mph speed limits - with many relying on their judgement over what speed to drive at rather than the official 20 or 30mph speed limit. The report analysed GPS data from cars in 12 case study areas, comparing average speed before and after 20mph zones were introduced. It discovered that the average speed has fallen by just 0.7mph in 20mph zones in residential areas, and 0.9mph in city centres. The research suggests "no significant change" in the number of crashes on 20mph roads compared to when they had a 30mph limit. Also, blanket 20mph zones dilute the speed limit’s effectiveness and compliance www.gov.uk/government/publications/20-mph-speed-limits-on-roadsAgree on no one following the 20mph limit (unless there are cameras). In the IoD if I am at 20 I routinely get honked at / overtaken (no cameras....) so not a surprise at all. And 20 does feel a bit slow |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 6, 2019 11:33:17 GMT
They make it 20mph but: 1) Speed Cameras cannot detected under 30mph 2) Nor do police speed trap devices track under 30 So it's near enough not enforceable anyway, but id always keep to 20 in a 20 anyway. Hmm is that true, first I ever heard of that. I know most cameras on roads that were 30mph previously but then have gone 20 have not been reprogrammed. The same goes with one road I know that was previously 40, but went to 30mph start of this year (Whipps Cross Road) |
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Post by busaholic on Apr 7, 2019 19:59:10 GMT
They make it 20mph but: 1) Speed Cameras cannot detected under 30mph 2) Nor do police speed trap devices track under 30 So it's near enough not enforceable anyway, but id always keep to 20 in a 20 anyway. Hmm is that true, first I ever heard of that. I know most cameras on roads that were 30mph previously but then have gone 20 have not been reprogrammed. The same goes with one road I know that was previously 40, but went to 30mph start of this year (Whipps Cross Road) I can only say that the first time I was caught by a speed camera was for doing 35 mph in a 30mph area: I hadn't noticed, because there were no notices to say so, that a road I travelled down about once a fortnight had been reduced from 40 to 30, with a speed camera introduced right at the beginning. This on a dual carriageway going downhill, so all you saw thereafter was a mass of brake lights. |
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