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Post by vjaska on Jun 25, 2014 14:38:05 GMT
What is the longest length likely to be considered on two axles - 11.3m-ish? Presumably 12m+ would remain exclusively tri-axle territory. I know this is a bus forum so really dont want to go completely off topic, but Croydens public transport woes frankly come from the fact its been trying to move for 50-odd years by bus a tube lines' worth of passengers. On top of that, Tramlink is effectively a light rail scheme too cheap to afford a fully segregated route. There will come a point in the future where such tunneling must become inevitable. Could something radical be done in short-medium term, like a congestion charge zone? See the topic marked 'A Victoria Line Extension Idea' for a proposal I thought of by extending the Victoria Line to Croydon. Tramlink seems to have pretty much been built to offer the surrounding communities quicker ways of reaching Croydon especially New Addington whose transport links were quite poor before it was built.
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Post by snowman on Jun 25, 2014 17:26:24 GMT
What is the longest length likely to be considered on two axles - 11.3m-ish? Presumably 12m+ would remain exclusively tri-axle territory. Could something radical be done in short-medium term, like a congestion charge zone? Yes around 11.3m maybe upto 11.5m But note the longest length is often single door only. The reason is structural (tortional rigidity). Generally the longer length is added between the wheels (front/rear overhangs same regardless of length) and this can cause grounding on road humps. Weight is the limit (each axle individually and total weight which is 18000kg in Uk). Single decks and coaches can go upto about 13.5m on two axles. I think the tri-axle limit is 23000kg ? Personally I see it as a quick win if bus capacity is pushed up from 87 to 94+ On a route with pvr of 25 its like adding 2 extra buses, negligible extra cost compared to buying 2 extra buses and providing drivers for the 2 extra. Of course some routes have a difficult corner that limits length, but others dont. But if its one corner why not change some routings so the busy trunk route avoids it, leave the difficult bits to a limited number of routes with smaller buses. There is limited finds so radical changes might be better than minor tweaks to a routing from 1950s to match todays journeys.
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Post by Steve80 on Jun 26, 2014 4:46:25 GMT
Definitely a good idea to increase the 109 and 250. The 60 would be good not just for London Road but also along Brighton Road. Not sure about the 198 as I hardly use the route. They should look at increasing the 75/157 along Selhurst and Norwood Junction. I'm sure the 197 could benefit with an increase. It really hard using the 410 as well so maybe after they finish the bridge works at Tennison Road they could look at increasing the capacity on the route. As for the trams, I find it unnecessary to loop the them around Dingwall Road. The West Croydon stop is very busy. The George Street and Church Street stops needs widening as there are far too many passengers at those stops. I agree with the 75/157, but one thing I've noticed since the takeover of the 75 a lot of the drivers on the 75 drive too slow and the demand is quite high, and end up getting turned at either Catford, Town Centre or West Croydon and slow driving with hybrids sorry don't understand how that works. I am grateful that the buses are driven by drivers, but sometimes get a fast driver, but more common slower drivers, in addition the 261 is slower these days as well, used to be a proper service gap and it is more common to get two buses running in pairs, the C drivers on the 75 the majority of them didn't hang about, have to say Metrobus had a lot better control of the 75 for the last 5 years even if it has been back at TL a short time, but when it was Stagecoach Selkent before hand ran the service it was great, not impressed with how it is running at the moment, with the amount of stand time the 75 has, curtailments should not be that regular I know the traffic in Catford is a major delay as it is for the 181, in a short space of time under Stagecoach I've seen a lot more turns and do not understand why, it was the same when the 261 was taken over by TB, mornings Lee Green & Bromley Common, Bus Garage every single day under the pvr was increased to 12. The 54 is run a lot better than how C ran it and not many turns apart from the odd Beckenham Junction turn which I sometimes see in the mornings. When I did the 75 on the 26th April it took 1 Hour and 30 Minutes journey time for the bus I was on to reach Lewisham - Croydon and that was mainly because the driver was driving like a snail, the time should be 1 hour during the day. I once had the service delivered in 20 minutes under Metrobus believe it or not, but this was at night. The timetable states every 13 minutes and I think that is appalling it was previously every 12 minutes this mean there are only 4 buses departing per hour every 10 minutes would help better or at least increase the frequency of tte 157 to help out a bit. In addition I think driver changeovers at The Catford Centre make things worse. Lewisham Station seems a better location even if it is a little further along the route, but all down to cost is probably the reason why the closer spot is used. Hopefully the 75 gets a lot better in the future though. Isn't the 157 a difficult route to operate? I got on a 75 a few times from West Croydon to Anerley when Stagecoach had it before they lost it to Metrobus and I think on every occasion it would take around 30 minutes to do the trip That is far too long and I always try my best to avoid using the route after that. I don't think I used the route when it was under Metrobus but it was quite clear to me that some of the drivers were a lot faster. I know that those Scanias are very quick as well especially as when I do the 157 and there would be times when I would struggle to keep up with those Scanias in Selhurst road. Not all the time though as I consider myself a nippy driver, and there was one occasion where I got frustrated with a Metrobus driver on the 75 who was going so slow and I ended up stopping at a bus stop in front of him and picking up/alighting passengers there instead of stopping behind him, which meant the passengers at the stop who went to the back of the 75 bus to get on my bus then had to make a quick dash back past the stationary 75 just so they can get on board. Yes, what I did was not great but I didn't leave any passengers behind and anyway this happened a while ago Anyway, the 75 is back with Stagecoach and imo the drivers have gotten faster (or maybe our Volvos have gotten slower ) and of course, the hybrids are quite fast especially when leaving the stop. The acceleration of those hybrids means the 75 possibly reach 30mph when our Volvos are still doing about 10mph Unfortunately, there has been a few occasions when I had to overtake a 75 as they are going slow. Fair enough if the 75 has got to West Croydon first and left with a full load then its understandable when I overtake it and leave it for dust. But it when I get to West Croydon first (or Norwood Junction, heading towards Croydon) and leave with a full load and the 75 is still behind me and that, to me is a problem. I also seen the many West Croydon turns on the 75 as well as the Catford ones, but I know Stagecoach hasn't had it for so long so just like you said, I'm sure it would get better in the future. As for the 157, its needs faster buses asap. They need to look at running extra buses on the route leaving Morden between 3-4pm so to deal with all the schools in Wrythe Lane and that really hampers the route. There are many schools on this route but it really gets affected there in Wrythe Lane. The school traffic in Selhurst Road near the Crystal Palace Football Stadium also gets quite bad and which also affects the 75 as well. There's also traffic issues in Norwood Junction (poor traffic signals), Fiveways (bus lane is needed towards Croydon), Stafford Road (an extended traffic signal for traffic turning right towards Wallington would be great) and finally Carshalton High Street (the roads around there are too small). And while I'm still here, I just want to go back to West Croydon Bus Station. The amount of passengers standing there is mind boggling. They all get on and most of them get off at Whitehorse Road where the Tesco Express is. Even at around 10pm the majority of passengers are waiting at the stop for the 75/157. I do hope that when they finish improving the Bus Station then tfl could look at diverting the 50 and 468 to serve this stop or at least serve the bus station as so to release the pressure on the 75/157 at this stop as it can take me around 3-5 minutes to get out of there. I bet the 450 would also improve as I see that bus heaving with passengers by the time it leave the Bus Station.
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Post by sid on Jun 26, 2014 9:42:01 GMT
I don't see any liklehood of deep level tubes coming to Croydon, Tramlink extensions perhaps.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 26, 2014 11:24:25 GMT
I agree with the 75/157, but one thing I've noticed since the takeover of the 75 a lot of the drivers on the 75 drive too slow and the demand is quite high, and end up getting turned at either Catford, Town Centre or West Croydon and slow driving with hybrids sorry don't understand how that works. I am grateful that the buses are driven by drivers, but sometimes get a fast driver, but more common slower drivers, in addition the 261 is slower these days as well, used to be a proper service gap and it is more common to get two buses running in pairs, the C drivers on the 75 the majority of them didn't hang about, have to say Metrobus had a lot better control of the 75 for the last 5 years even if it has been back at TL a short time, but when it was Stagecoach Selkent before hand ran the service it was great, not impressed with how it is running at the moment, with the amount of stand time the 75 has, curtailments should not be that regular I know the traffic in Catford is a major delay as it is for the 181, in a short space of time under Stagecoach I've seen a lot more turns and do not understand why, it was the same when the 261 was taken over by TB, mornings Lee Green & Bromley Common, Bus Garage every single day under the pvr was increased to 12. The 54 is run a lot better than how C ran it and not many turns apart from the odd Beckenham Junction turn which I sometimes see in the mornings. When I did the 75 on the 26th April it took 1 Hour and 30 Minutes journey time for the bus I was on to reach Lewisham - Croydon and that was mainly because the driver was driving like a snail, the time should be 1 hour during the day. I once had the service delivered in 20 minutes under Metrobus believe it or not, but this was at night. The timetable states every 13 minutes and I think that is appalling it was previously every 12 minutes this mean there are only 4 buses departing per hour every 10 minutes would help better or at least increase the frequency of tte 157 to help out a bit. In addition I think driver changeovers at The Catford Centre make things worse. Lewisham Station seems a better location even if it is a little further along the route, but all down to cost is probably the reason why the closer spot is used. Hopefully the 75 gets a lot better in the future though. Isn't the 157 a difficult route to operate? I got on a 75 a few times from West Croydon to Anerley when Stagecoach had it before they lost it to Metrobus and I think on every occasion it would take around 30 minutes to do the trip That is far too long and I always try my best to avoid using the route after that. I don't think I used the route when it was under Metrobus but it was quite clear to me that some of the drivers were a lot faster. I know that those Scanias are very quick as well especially as when I do the 157 and there would be times when I would struggle to keep up with those Scanias in Selhurst road. Not all the time though as I consider myself a nippy driver, and there was one occasion where I got frustrated with a Metrobus driver on the 75 who was going so slow and I ended up stopping at a bus stop in front of him and picking up/alighting passengers there instead of stopping behind him, which meant the passengers at the stop who went to the back of the 75 bus to get on my bus then had to make a quick dash back past the stationary 75 just so they can get on board. Yes, what I did was not great but I didn't leave any passengers behind and anyway this happened a while ago Anyway, the 75 is back with Stagecoach and imo the drivers have gotten faster (or maybe our Volvos have gotten slower ) and of course, the hybrids are quite fast especially when leaving the stop. The acceleration of those hybrids means the 75 possibly reach 30mph when our Volvos are still doing about 10mph Unfortunately, there has been a few occasions when I had to overtake a 75 as they are going slow. Fair enough if the 75 has got to West Croydon first and left with a full load then its understandable when I overtake it and leave it for dust. But it when I get to West Croydon first (or Norwood Junction, heading towards Croydon) and leave with a full load and the 75 is still behind me and that, to me is a problem. I also seen the many West Croydon turns on the 75 as well as the Catford ones, but I know Stagecoach hasn't had it for so long so just like you said, I'm sure it would get better in the future. As for the 157, its needs faster buses asap. They need to look at running extra buses on the route leaving Morden between 3-4pm so to deal with all the schools in Wrythe Lane and that really hampers the route. There are many schools on this route but it really gets affected there in Wrythe Lane. The school traffic in Selhurst Road near the Crystal Palace Football Stadium also gets quite bad and which also affects the 75 as well. There's also traffic issues in Norwood Junction (poor traffic signals), Fiveways (bus lane is needed towards Croydon), Stafford Road (an extended traffic signal for traffic turning right towards Wallington would be great) and finally Carshalton High Street (the roads around there are too small). And while I'm still here, I just want to go back to West Croydon Bus Station. The amount of passengers standing there is mind boggling. They all get on and most of them get off at Whitehorse Road where the Tesco Express is. Even at around 10pm the majority of passengers are waiting at the stop for the 75/157. I do hope that when they finish improving the Bus Station then tfl could look at diverting the 50 and 468 to serve this stop or at least serve the bus station as so to release the pressure on the 75/157 at this stop as it can take me around 3-5 minutes to get out of there. I bet the 450 would also improve as I see that bus heaving with passengers by the time it leave the Bus Station. I can only presume that you were unlucky as I used to get the 75 many times before Metrobus took it on and I rarely had any slow journeys - their drivers seemed to love thrashing the 52 reg Tridents. The only reason I'd get the 75 over the 157 was because the 157 just couldn't be relied on to turn up on time and it's still that way now - the 75 would always turn up ahead of the 157 under the last spell of Stagecoach operation.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 26, 2014 12:08:51 GMT
This is outstanding news. Excited for the future of my borough, it has been a long time coming.
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 26, 2014 14:14:30 GMT
I agree with the 75/157, but one thing I've noticed since the takeover of the 75 a lot of the drivers on the 75 drive too slow and the demand is quite high, and end up getting turned at either Catford, Town Centre or West Croydon and slow driving with hybrids sorry don't understand how that works. I am grateful that the buses are driven by drivers, but sometimes get a fast driver, but more common slower drivers, in addition the 261 is slower these days as well, used to be a proper service gap and it is more common to get two buses running in pairs, the C drivers on the 75 the majority of them didn't hang about, have to say Metrobus had a lot better control of the 75 for the last 5 years even if it has been back at TL a short time, but when it was Stagecoach Selkent before hand ran the service it was great, not impressed with how it is running at the moment, with the amount of stand time the 75 has, curtailments should not be that regular I know the traffic in Catford is a major delay as it is for the 181, in a short space of time under Stagecoach I've seen a lot more turns and do not understand why, it was the same when the 261 was taken over by TB, mornings Lee Green & Bromley Common, Bus Garage every single day under the pvr was increased to 12. The 54 is run a lot better than how C ran it and not many turns apart from the odd Beckenham Junction turn which I sometimes see in the mornings. When I did the 75 on the 26th April it took 1 Hour and 30 Minutes journey time for the bus I was on to reach Lewisham - Croydon and that was mainly because the driver was driving like a snail, the time should be 1 hour during the day. I once had the service delivered in 20 minutes under Metrobus believe it or not, but this was at night. The timetable states every 13 minutes and I think that is appalling it was previously every 12 minutes this mean there are only 4 buses departing per hour every 10 minutes would help better or at least increase the frequency of tte 157 to help out a bit. In addition I think driver changeovers at The Catford Centre make things worse. Lewisham Station seems a better location even if it is a little further along the route, but all down to cost is probably the reason why the closer spot is used. Hopefully the 75 gets a lot better in the future though. Isn't the 157 a difficult route to operate? I got on a 75 a few times from West Croydon to Anerley when Stagecoach had it before they lost it to Metrobus and I think on every occasion it would take around 30 minutes to do the trip That is far too long and I always try my best to avoid using the route after that. I don't think I used the route when it was under Metrobus but it was quite clear to me that some of the drivers were a lot faster. I know that those Scanias are very quick as well especially as when I do the 157 and there would be times when I would struggle to keep up with those Scanias in Selhurst road. Not all the time though as I consider myself a nippy driver, and there was one occasion where I got frustrated with a Metrobus driver on the 75 who was going so slow and I ended up stopping at a bus stop in front of him and picking up/alighting passengers there instead of stopping behind him, which meant the passengers at the stop who went to the back of the 75 bus to get on my bus then had to make a quick dash back past the stationary 75 just so they can get on board. Yes, what I did was not great but I didn't leave any passengers behind and anyway this happened a while ago Anyway, the 75 is back with Stagecoach and imo the drivers have gotten faster (or maybe our Volvos have gotten slower ) and of course, the hybrids are quite fast especially when leaving the stop. The acceleration of those hybrids means the 75 possibly reach 30mph when our Volvos are still doing about 10mph Unfortunately, there has been a few occasions when I had to overtake a 75 as they are going slow. Fair enough if the 75 has got to West Croydon first and left with a full load then its understandable when I overtake it and leave it for dust. But it when I get to West Croydon first (or Norwood Junction, heading towards Croydon) and leave with a full load and the 75 is still behind me and that, to me is a problem. I also seen the many West Croydon turns on the 75 as well as the Catford ones, but I know Stagecoach hasn't had it for so long so just like you said, I'm sure it would get better in the future. As for the 157, its needs faster buses asap. They need to look at running extra buses on the route leaving Morden between 3-4pm so to deal with all the schools in Wrythe Lane and that really hampers the route. There are many schools on this route but it really gets affected there in Wrythe Lane. The school traffic in Selhurst Road near the Crystal Palace Football Stadium also gets quite bad and which also affects the 75 as well. There's also traffic issues in Norwood Junction (poor traffic signals), Fiveways (bus lane is needed towards Croydon), Stafford Road (an extended traffic signal for traffic turning right towards Wallington would be great) and finally Carshalton High Street (the roads around there are too small). And while I'm still here, I just want to go back to West Croydon Bus Station. The amount of passengers standing there is mind boggling. They all get on and most of them get off at Whitehorse Road where the Tesco Express is. Even at around 10pm the majority of passengers are waiting at the stop for the 75/157. I do hope that when they finish improving the Bus Station then tfl could look at diverting the 50 and 468 to serve this stop or at least serve the bus station as so to release the pressure on the 75/157 at this stop as it can take me around 3-5 minutes to get out of there. I bet the 450 would also improve as I see that bus heaving with passengers by the time it leave the Bus Station. You crafty 157 drivers i've had it so many times where the 157 is in front they notice me and pull over with hazards on further along. One time i was tempted to pull over and put my hazard lights on when i noticed him getting close but i thought nah i cant be asked to play games. Still it beats sitting behind those slow double deckers. To be honest if i have time to kill i will back off from the 157 and let him pick everyone up
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Post by Steve80 on Jun 27, 2014 4:33:09 GMT
I got on a 75 a few times from West Croydon to Anerley when Stagecoach had it before they lost it to Metrobus and I think on every occasion it would take around 30 minutes to do the trip That is far too long and I always try my best to avoid using the route after that. I don't think I used the route when it was under Metrobus but it was quite clear to me that some of the drivers were a lot faster. I know that those Scanias are very quick as well especially as when I do the 157 and there would be times when I would struggle to keep up with those Scanias in Selhurst road. Not all the time though as I consider myself a nippy driver, and there was one occasion where I got frustrated with a Metrobus driver on the 75 who was going so slow and I ended up stopping at a bus stop in front of him and picking up/alighting passengers there instead of stopping behind him, which meant the passengers at the stop who went to the back of the 75 bus to get on my bus then had to make a quick dash back past the stationary 75 just so they can get on board. Yes, what I did was not great but I didn't leave any passengers behind and anyway this happened a while ago Anyway, the 75 is back with Stagecoach and imo the drivers have gotten faster (or maybe our Volvos have gotten slower ) and of course, the hybrids are quite fast especially when leaving the stop. The acceleration of those hybrids means the 75 possibly reach 30mph when our Volvos are still doing about 10mph Unfortunately, there has been a few occasions when I had to overtake a 75 as they are going slow. Fair enough if the 75 has got to West Croydon first and left with a full load then its understandable when I overtake it and leave it for dust. But it when I get to West Croydon first (or Norwood Junction, heading towards Croydon) and leave with a full load and the 75 is still behind me and that, to me is a problem. I also seen the many West Croydon turns on the 75 as well as the Catford ones, but I know Stagecoach hasn't had it for so long so just like you said, I'm sure it would get better in the future. As for the 157, its needs faster buses asap. They need to look at running extra buses on the route leaving Morden between 3-4pm so to deal with all the schools in Wrythe Lane and that really hampers the route. There are many schools on this route but it really gets affected there in Wrythe Lane. The school traffic in Selhurst Road near the Crystal Palace Football Stadium also gets quite bad and which also affects the 75 as well. There's also traffic issues in Norwood Junction (poor traffic signals), Fiveways (bus lane is needed towards Croydon), Stafford Road (an extended traffic signal for traffic turning right towards Wallington would be great) and finally Carshalton High Street (the roads around there are too small). And while I'm still here, I just want to go back to West Croydon Bus Station. The amount of passengers standing there is mind boggling. They all get on and most of them get off at Whitehorse Road where the Tesco Express is. Even at around 10pm the majority of passengers are waiting at the stop for the 75/157. I do hope that when they finish improving the Bus Station then tfl could look at diverting the 50 and 468 to serve this stop or at least serve the bus station as so to release the pressure on the 75/157 at this stop as it can take me around 3-5 minutes to get out of there. I bet the 450 would also improve as I see that bus heaving with passengers by the time it leave the Bus Station. You crafty 157 drivers i've had it so many times where the 157 is in front they notice me and pull over with hazards on further along. One time i was tempted to pull over and put my hazard lights on when i noticed him getting close but i thought nah i cant be asked to play games. Still it beats sitting behind those slow double deckers. To be honest if i have time to kill i will back off from the 157 and let him pick everyone up lol I'm not surprised with some of our drivers especially from our days with the route 3 and our struggles with the 159 drivers in Brixton and Kennington I certainly can't be bothered to play any games due to the extreme traffic in South Norwood High Street because of the closure of Tennison Road. Yesterday it took me 1 hour and 50 minutes to get from Morden to Crystal Palace although it didn't help that my leader turned at West Croydon. And when I got there I had a full load and by the time I got to Selhurst Station I had people standing by the front doors. I got to South Norwood Clock Tower bus stop and had a look at the countdown screen only to see two 75s due in 3 minutes A great help they are But the drivers on the 75 were quite decent yesterday. I had 12285 in front of me at Anerley and I struggled to keep up with it in the afternoon school run. Later in the evening towards Crystal Palace, I got to West Croydon and a 75 was already at the stop, which was the same bonnet number (12285). I wasn't driving too fast though but I still overtook him on Whitehorse Road but he then overtook me just after Selhurst and I could never catch up with him again. I'm sure I also saw him overtook the 197 in Sunnybank and that was the last I saw of him. It be interesting to see how the TAs can perform against those hybrids. Unfortunately, I hardly get those TAs
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 27, 2014 15:45:29 GMT
You crafty 157 drivers i've had it so many times where the 157 is in front they notice me and pull over with hazards on further along. One time i was tempted to pull over and put my hazard lights on when i noticed him getting close but i thought nah i cant be asked to play games. Still it beats sitting behind those slow double deckers. To be honest if i have time to kill i will back off from the 157 and let him pick everyone up lol I'm not surprised with some of our drivers especially from our days with the route 3 and our struggles with the 159 drivers in Brixton and Kennington I certainly can't be bothered to play any games due to the extreme traffic in South Norwood High Street because of the closure of Tennison Road. Yesterday it took me 1 hour and 50 minutes to get from Morden to Crystal Palace although it didn't help that my leader turned at West Croydon. And when I got there I had a full load and by the time I got to Selhurst Station I had people standing by the front doors. I got to South Norwood Clock Tower bus stop and had a look at the countdown screen only to see two 75s due in 3 minutes A great help they are But the drivers on the 75 were quite decent yesterday. I had 12285 in front of me at Anerley and I struggled to keep up with it in the afternoon school run. Later in the evening towards Crystal Palace, I got to West Croydon and a 75 was already at the stop, which was the same bonnet number (12285). I wasn't driving too fast though but I still overtook him on Whitehorse Road but he then overtook me just after Selhurst and I could never catch up with him again. I'm sure I also saw him overtook the 197 in Sunnybank and that was the last I saw of him. It be interesting to see how the TAs can perform against those hybrids. Unfortunately, I hardly get those TAs Drag race in mind? lol. I was behind 9066 today and it was making a racket on acceleration not fan related but i think a turbo pipe maybe but i was thinking come on get a move on! Eventually over took the thing
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Post by londonbusboy on Jul 17, 2014 19:31:00 GMT
Just looked on a website i use for planned roadworks and it seems to say the demolition of West Croydon bus station will start from 11th August and ends on 8th November.....
I imagine buses will be permitted to stand on site but no longer serve stops?
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Post by Steve80 on Jul 18, 2014 4:48:54 GMT
Just looked on a website i use for planned roadworks and it seems to say the demolition of West Croydon bus station will start from 11th August and ends on 8th November..... I imagine buses will be permitted to stand on site but no longer serve stops? I really do hope they only take 3 months to build. I not looking forward to having my breaks at a bus stop in the cold. I know the staff room in the bus station is temporary closed for the drivers until today I believe. I understand that they have their breaks on one of the buses provided by Metrobus
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Post by snoggle on Jul 18, 2014 6:33:19 GMT
Just looked on a website i use for planned roadworks and it seems to say the demolition of West Croydon bus station will start from 11th August and ends on 8th November..... I imagine buses will be permitted to stand on site but no longer serve stops? I really do hope they only take 3 months to build. I not looking forward to having my breaks at a bus stop in the cold. I know the staff room in the bus station is temporary closed for the drivers until today I believe. I understand that they have their breaks on one of the buses provided by Metrobus I think that's 3 months for demolition! It'll be at least a year after that to build the new station if Tottenham Hale is anything to go by. Sorry to give you bad news.
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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2014 8:12:16 GMT
Just looked on a website i use for planned roadworks and it seems to say the demolition of West Croydon bus station will start from 11th August and ends on 8th November..... I imagine buses will be permitted to stand on site but no longer serve stops? I really do hope they only take 3 months to build. I not looking forward to having my breaks at a bus stop in the cold. I know the staff room in the bus station is temporary closed for the drivers until today I believe. I understand that they have their breaks on one of the buses provided by Metrobus I think Arriva drivers on the 194 and 412 go back to TC for their breaks
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