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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 14:42:14 GMT
Just wondering if you get a ticket when using a Contactless debit card on the bus. How else do you prove to an RPI that you have paid your fare?
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Post by snoggle on Jul 5, 2014 18:23:21 GMT
Any idea why the message from William appears for 1/10th of a second and then vanishes?
If I've read his post properly then the answer is that the inspector gets a print out from the driver which lists the bank cards used and inspectors can check the list against any cards presented as proof of travel. No need for a ticket just show your card.
The need for a print out is why I think TfL will still retain some form of ETM rather than move to just card readers on buses. In the future Oyster will be dumbed down to a "token" that will not be written to - it will just trigger transactions that go to TfL's data centre for overnight processing. In that case inspectors would need to check against a print out as they won't be able to read the future "dumb" Oyster card for an entry transaction on a bus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 22:30:28 GMT
looking at the terms and conditions on my card it says you may still have to use the pin occasionally, how does that work on a bus
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Post by londonbusboy on Jul 6, 2014 9:49:27 GMT
looking at the terms and conditions on my card it says you may still have to use the pin occasionally, how does that work on a bus Someone (sorry cant remember the name) explained this to me on this forum. Some or most contactless cards there is a limit to how much contactless paying you do either a certain amount or a certain amount of touches, you might want to find out from your bank as once the limit is reached you will have to verify your pin when paying (this stops someone stealing your card and having a shopping spree) I've had it on my bus where the contactless card does not work and that is because the user has to pay for something at a shop and use there pin to enable the contactless again. |
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Post by fl70500 on Jul 6, 2014 10:57:31 GMT
The RPI will know from inspectors ticket we print or the oyster checker they carry, to know you have touched in.
Contactless limit is £20 anything over needs chip and pin...so fair increases will stop at £20 :-D
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Post by snoggle on Jul 6, 2014 11:08:33 GMT
The RPI will know from inspectors ticket we print or the oyster checker they carry, to know you have touched in. Contactless limit is £20 anything over needs chip and pin...so fair increases will stop at £20 :-D So no more fare increases after 2018 then - the bus fare'll be £20 by then.   There is still a security process which means you can't have an endless stream of PIN-less transactions with contactless bank cards. Every so often you must use your PIN and it is possible that a bus or tube validation is the transaction that requires a PIN and the card will be rejected. What you do if you're in the tube system and trying to exit and the system goes "NO EXIT, GO AWAY, NO EXIT, PLEASE ENTER A PIN" I don't know. |
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Post by Paul on Jul 6, 2014 17:01:55 GMT
looking at the terms and conditions on my card it says you may still have to use the pin occasionally, how does that work on a bus I'm told that for most cards on every fourth contactless payment a PIN needs to be entered. I'm also told, but haven't verified it myself, that this information is in the small print in TfL's rules regarding contactless payment and basically amounts to 'you need to enter a PIN and can't do it on the bus therefore you need another means to travel or go away' Just another thing that makes life easier for drivers....... |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 6, 2014 19:07:58 GMT
Just wondering if you get a ticket when using a Contactless debit card on the bus. How else do you prove to an RPI that you have paid your fare?
At the moment, an inspector should take your Contactless Debit/Credit Card at face value as the blue Oyster readers carried by RPIs (known as MOVie devices) cannot read contactless cards, only Oyster Cards- so basically the only way the RPI can prove that you have paid your fare is by you saying "I paid for my fare using my contactless card." A new Oyster checking device (known as the RID or Revenue Inspection Device) is being introduced which can read Contactless Credit/Debit cards. As far as the railways go (not sure about buses as I work on an automatic railway that's being taken over by another company later this year), a contactless card inspected with a RID device will only show "Card Inspected"- this information is then sent to TfL via 3G which then checks whether the card is valid or not (i.e whether the customer touched their contactless card on a reader at the start of their journey.) If the customer has not touched their card on a reader, they have failed the inspection and are charged £7.80. Like I say, this is more to do with railways so not sure exactly how it works with buses. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 6, 2014 19:09:17 GMT
looking at the terms and conditions on my card it says you may still have to use the pin occasionally, how does that work on a bus I'm told that for most cards on every fourth contactless payment a PIN needs to be entered. I'm also told, but haven't verified it myself, that this information is in the small print in TfL's rules regarding contactless payment and basically amounts to 'you need to enter a PIN and can't do it on the bus therefore you need another means to travel or go away' Just another thing that makes life easier for drivers....... I use my contactless card at least every other day and have yet needed to enter my PIN number at a contactless terminal |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 19:16:57 GMT
I'm told that for most cards on every fourth contactless payment a PIN needs to be entered. I'm also told, but haven't verified it myself, that this information is in the small print in TfL's rules regarding contactless payment and basically amounts to 'you need to enter a PIN and can't do it on the bus therefore you need another means to travel or go away' Just another thing that makes life easier for drivers....... I use my contactless card at least every other day and have yet needed to enter my PIN number at a contactless terminal Same here - even with fairly high purchases £10.00 never had to use a PIN. I received a text from my credit card company this evening advising my card can now be used to pay on buses |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 6, 2014 19:21:18 GMT
I use my contactless card at least every other day and have yet needed to enter my PIN number at a contactless terminal Same here - even with fairly high purchases £10.00 never had to use a PIN. I received a text from my credit card company this evening advising my card can now be used to pay on buses I've accidentally used by contactless card on the bus a couple of times now- when I've put the wrong side of my wallet on the reader |
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