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Post by RM5chris on Jul 22, 2014 14:22:10 GMT
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Post by rambo on Jul 22, 2014 17:28:18 GMT
Thats bad.
Sensitive edge not working?
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Post by sid on Jul 23, 2014 12:28:16 GMT
Sounds like just one of those freak accidents that nobody could have forseen....................condolences to all concerned |
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Post by RM5chris on Jul 23, 2014 15:06:25 GMT
Personally, I agree with you - it is a most likely freak accident....
But....
under the times in which we live I think that the HSE do not believe in such things - there is always blame somewhere and then bring on the lawyers....In the industry in which I work we have been told that the HSE (if they have to attend a project we are working upon) will have an examination - and if they find something of concern charge you at £180 per hour for intervention. If you want to prevent accidents by all means intervene but not at such massive cost to contractors as that will guarantee (IMO) that they will try to skimp and not implement improvements.
As the HSE have their budget cut they will try to get money elsewhere - by placing blame upon persons they investigate and 'intervene' more and more which (again IMO) will only create more cutting corners to try and keep under their radar.
I really do believe that (in the view of the HSE and the legal community) there is no such as thing as an accident - only someone to blame (and fine).
Off my soap box now.
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Post by allentc on Jul 23, 2014 15:45:11 GMT
That is a pity.
If the press are correct (which I doubt as when it comes to buses they take any image off Google - surprised they didn't use a random image of a Metrobus or Titan!) and it is an ALX300 body then it will have a Deans or Peters door system. I believe these doors do not have sensitive edges/anti trap features - can someone confirm? I didn't think the system pressure was that high to cause serious injury because they can easily be pushed open if needs be. Although it seems to have caught him about the neck, a very unusual situation, so he probably wasn't in a position to get adequate leverage to the fold the door leaf back - therefore a freak accident.
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Post by rambo on Jul 23, 2014 16:38:09 GMT
Front doors on our buses don't have sensitive edges.
UNITE should post this story in every gagrage and tell drivers NEVER EVER try and fix things yourself.
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Post by RM5chris on Jul 23, 2014 16:47:51 GMT
Front doors on our buses don't have sensitive edges. UNITE should post this story in every gagrage and tell drivers NEVER EVER try and fix things yourself. I thought that this was quite common (very open to correction if not the case) that drivers are told not to fix problems/faults - even not to open the bonnet on a defective bus that is at the side of the road (which was the old tell tale sign for a broken down bus)? Although outside London where operators are smaller and practices are different (and operators could have non-union labour).... |
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Post by greeny253 on Jul 23, 2014 19:44:43 GMT
Front doors on any bus don't have (or require) a sensitive edge as they are within sight of the driver. Sensitive edge is only required where the doors are a set distance behind the driver - hence every TfL bus having them on the rear doors. That said.
Rest in peace drive.
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Post by rambo on Jul 24, 2014 18:41:07 GMT
Front doors on our buses don't have sensitive edges. UNITE should post this story in every gagrage and tell drivers NEVER EVER try and fix things yourself. I thought that this was quite common (very open to correction if not the case) that drivers are told not to fix problems/faults - even not to open the bonnet on a defective bus that is at the side of the road (which was the old tell tale sign for a broken down bus)? Although outside London where operators are smaller and practices are different (and operators could have non-union labour).... Depends, Sometimes the radio room will ask you to try/do something to fix the problem. The poor driver was just trying to do the right thing and probably did want to lose mileage, and sadly paid with his life. |
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Post by sid on Jul 25, 2014 8:27:34 GMT
Front doors on our buses don't have sensitive edges. UNITE should post this story in every gagrage and tell drivers NEVER EVER try and fix things yourself. I thought that this was quite common (very open to correction if not the case) that drivers are told not to fix problems/faults - even not to open the bonnet on a defective bus that is at the side of the road (which was the old tell tale sign for a broken down bus)? Although outside London where operators are smaller and practices are different (and operators could have non-union labour).... Certainly when I was bus driving the general rule was don't try and fix things yourself but that applied mainly to stuff under the bonnet where drivers with a limited knowledge can do more harm than good. Certainly a set of defective doors I'd have tried to sort out myself, and I'm sure most drivers would do likewise, before calling somebody out and it appears that is what this driver was doing. If drivers were told not to try and fix anything we'd have buses taken out of service and engineers called out because they had trouble adjusting a wing mirror. The fact that the last passengers had just left the bus adds to the freak nature of it all, nine times out of ten there would have been passengers or passers by who could have come to his assistance.................very tragic. |
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Post by allentc on Jul 31, 2014 13:24:18 GMT
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