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Post by ServerKing on Sept 17, 2014 16:59:48 GMT
What space is there at Heathrow? I know it's just 10 E200's there, and apparently no fuelling facility of yet. I assume the possible closure of EC (shame as it had only just reopened) coupled with rising age profile is the only reason Arriva let go of some routes across North London. Hopefully there will be some nice surprises coming up in the next round of tenders
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Post by stubag on Sept 17, 2014 18:07:31 GMT
We have space, we have fuel. Engineering we don't!!!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 23, 2014 23:50:09 GMT
If you want to believe the rumours then Arriva have purchased the building land next to Palmers green garage to expand next year. Also Edmonton EC is likely to close due to the Meridan Water development. Its a shame it is being used as an outstation at the moment; was a good garage up until it closed in 2012.
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Post by sid on Sept 24, 2014 8:49:39 GMT
If you want to believe the rumours then Arriva have purchased the building land next to Palmers green garage to expand next year. Also Edmonton EC is likely to close due to the Meridan Water development. Its a shame it is being used as an outstation at the moment; was a good garage up until it closed in 2012. The extra land will be needed either way if EC is closing
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 27, 2014 22:59:37 GMT
I had a notable response in June when I touted EC for closure. As regards Arriva selling TOLST to RATP, I doubt this is linked to their success or otherwise in route tendering. RATP have sightseeing tours in Bath and New York, but I doubt that Arriva parent since 2010 Deutsche Bahn have any. Mind you, I saw DLP215 today still with Arriva name so maybe the sale is not yet completed.
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Post by lc1 on Sept 27, 2014 23:07:55 GMT
I'm told by a usually reliable contact there have been 2 impromptu director level meetings earlier this week at head office at Wood Green and contract management and arrangements have been discussed. Obviously, read into that what you want!! Also, a discussion has taken place as to a reduction in head count of route performance managers and garage officials has also been brought forward to operational staff who it may affect. Furthermore, I'm told the lease for the land on which EC garage is standing is apparently owned by HSBC who are not renewing the lease as the land is required for redevelopment and that there is approximately 12 months left - although I can't verify this in any way. Take all of the above with a pinch of salt, just reporting this info is entirely based on rumour from various places, although these rumours generally aren't always accurate, often there is a partial element of truth in them. Interesting times. Is there any truth in the rumour that Arriva London North have lost "O" licences and at present are not tending for work, or how the rumour is going at NP, are barred from tendering for work?
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Post by Nathan on Sept 27, 2014 23:19:44 GMT
I'm told by a usually reliable contact there have been 2 impromptu director level meetings earlier this week at head office at Wood Green and contract management and arrangements have been discussed. Obviously, read into that what you want!! Also, a discussion has taken place as to a reduction in head count of route performance managers and garage officials has also been brought forward to operational staff who it may affect. Furthermore, I'm told the lease for the land on which EC garage is standing is apparently owned by HSBC who are not renewing the lease as the land is required for redevelopment and that there is approximately 12 months left - although I can't verify this in any way. Take all of the above with a pinch of salt, just reporting this info is entirely based on rumour from various places, although these rumours generally aren't always accurate, often there is a partial element of truth in them. Interesting times. Is there any truth in the rumour that Arriva London North have lost "O" licences and at present are not tending for work, or how the rumour is going at NP, are barred from tendering for work? I'm sure that if the latter is true then we would have heard something earlier and more official. And to comment on the former, if that was the case then would Arriva actually be allowed to operate London buses?
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Post by lc1 on Sept 27, 2014 23:23:33 GMT
Is there any truth in the rumour that Arriva London North have lost "O" licences and at present are not tending for work, or how the rumour is going at NP, are barred from tendering for work? I'm sure that if the latter is true then we would have heard something earlier and more official. And to comment on the former, if that was the case then would Arriva actually be allowed to operate London buses? Sorry should have said some "o" licences.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2014 23:53:53 GMT
I had a notable response in June when I touted EC for closure. As regards Arriva selling TOLST to RATP, I doubt this is linked to their success or otherwise in route tendering. RATP have sightseeing tours in Bath and New York, but I doubt that Arriva parent since 2010 Deutsche Bahn have any. Mind you, I saw DLP215 today still with Arriva name so maybe the sale is not yet completed. I've seen a pic of at least one DLP with logos removed - I'm guessing they are taking their time in doing the job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 17:56:50 GMT
I went to Wandsworth garage today and saw a RATP sign. Will upload the pic. Arriva London North have the 135, 253 going for tender soon, if the rumours true of O Licence removal are true, prehaps they will lose them. Why supposedly have they had the Licenses removed?
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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2014 18:17:28 GMT
I'm sure that if the latter is true then we would have heard something earlier and more official. And to comment on the former, if that was the case then would Arriva actually be allowed to operate London buses? Sorry should have said some "o" licences. Surely Arriva would have had to have been hauled up in front of the Traffic Commissioners to have their O licence reduced? I can't believe this would have happened without it being reported or remarked upon. I have gone and checked the last 9 editions of N&Ps for London and the South East and there is no mention whatsoever of Arriva London being called to an inquiry or suffering any changes to licences etc. Sounds like a load of garage gossip to me.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2014 18:18:44 GMT
I went to Wandsworth garage today and saw a RATP sign. Will upload the pic. Arriva London North have the 135, 253 going for tender soon, if the rumours true of O Licence removal are true, prehaps they will lose them. Why supposedly have they had the Licenses removed? The rumours clearly are not true if people could only be bothered to check for themselves on the official documents all of which are published on the web.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:06:15 GMT
Sorry should have said some "o" licences. Surely Arriva would have had to have been hauled up in front of the Traffic Commissioners to have their O licence reduced? I can't believe this would have happened without it being reported or remarked upon. I have gone and checked the last 9 editions of N&Ps for London and the South East and there is no mention whatsoever of Arriva London being called to an inquiry or suffering any changes to licences etc. Sounds like a load of garage gossip to me. They were called to an inquiry in December 2013
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 28, 2014 19:11:17 GMT
I went to Wandsworth garage today and saw a RATP sign. Will upload the pic. Arriva London North have the 135, 253 going for tender soon, if the rumours true of O Licence removal are true, prehaps they will lose them. Why supposedly have they had the Licenses removed? The rumours clearly are not true if people could only be bothered to check for themselves on the official documents all of which are published on the web. I think Arriva London's main issue at the moment is simply a huge amount of 10 yrs and above aged buses that will be no good for new contracts to put it bluntly. Caught out as well as VDL have disappeared off the scene as a preferred manufacturer after everything is now Euro6, and the Daimler engined StreetDeck looks to be late to the party. So they are wisely waiting until things improve stock-wise (hopefully they will lease rather than buy which I think would be more sensible), and when in a suitable position will bid. If for instance they put in a bid for, for argument's sake the 267 requiring X amount of buses over a 3 or 4 year contract, all the Euro3 03-reg, be it Volvo or DAF, is too old, and everything else is in use on other contracts. What would be the lead time to get E400MMC's depending when the contract would start? I don't think they will leave London, I think Arriva will always have a place in London, also Southern Counties will get more of a foothold in West London, and there will be a revival of sorts I think O Licence removal may just be on certain buses they are no longer using. Sorry for using a lot of words to say so little
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 28, 2014 19:15:18 GMT
I had a notable response in June when I touted EC for closure. As regards Arriva selling TOLST to RATP, I doubt this is linked to their success or otherwise in route tendering. RATP have sightseeing tours in Bath and New York, but I doubt that Arriva parent since 2010 Deutsche Bahn have any. Mind you, I saw DLP215 today still with Arriva name so maybe the sale is not yet completed. RATP are just a little slow when it comes to vinyls. Only now, the Sovereign buses are getting vinyls... I don't know if they will rebrand it City Sightseeing to fit in with the operations in Bath
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