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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 28, 2014 19:21:21 GMT
I think Arriva London's main issue at the moment is simply a huge amount of 10 yrs and above aged buses that will be no good for new contracts to put it bluntly. Caught out as well as VDL have disappeared off the scene as a preferred manufacturer after everything is now Euro6, and the Daimler engined StreetDeck looks to be late to the party. So they are wisely waiting until things improve stock-wise (hopefully they will lease rather than buy which I think would be more sensible), and when in a suitable position will bid. If for instance they put in a bid for, for argument's sake the 267 requiring X amount of buses over a 3 or 4 year contract, all the Euro3 03-reg, be it Volvo or DAF, is too old, and everything else is in use on other contracts. What would be the lead time to get E400MMC's depending when the contract would start? I don't think they will leave London, I think Arriva will always have a place in London, also Southern Counties will get more of a foothold in West London, and there will be a revival of sorts  I think O Licence removal may just be on certain buses they are no longer using. Sorry for using a lot of words to say so little  Arriva have been happy to buy HVs, including full allocations on routes 29 and 73. It should be simple for them to concentrate on HV as the standard double-decker for tender gains and renewals. If we exclude LTs and TGM route E10, it seems that new Arriva London bus orders have dried up now. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2014 19:38:42 GMT
Surely Arriva would have had to have been hauled up in front of the Traffic Commissioners to have their O licence reduced? I can't believe this would have happened without it being reported or remarked upon. I have gone and checked the last 9 editions of N&Ps for London and the South East and there is no mention whatsoever of Arriva London being called to an inquiry or suffering any changes to licences etc. Sounds like a load of garage gossip to me. They were called to an inquiry in December 2013 Were they? Can you give me the following please - the date of the inquiry - the nature of the concern that triggered the inquiry - the result of the inquiry - a link to the relevant N&P or Traffic Commissioner document. I've checked every single N&P from December 2013 to September 2014 for London and the South East and can find no mention. Now I don't read N&P on a regular basis so perhaps I'm being a bit thick and missing the obvious? |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 28, 2014 20:00:04 GMT
I think Arriva London's main issue at the moment is simply a huge amount of 10 yrs and above aged buses that will be no good for new contracts to put it bluntly. Caught out as well as VDL have disappeared off the scene as a preferred manufacturer after everything is now Euro6, and the Daimler engined StreetDeck looks to be late to the party. So they are wisely waiting until things improve stock-wise (hopefully they will lease rather than buy which I think would be more sensible), and when in a suitable position will bid. If for instance they put in a bid for, for argument's sake the 267 requiring X amount of buses over a 3 or 4 year contract, all the Euro3 03-reg, be it Volvo or DAF, is too old, and everything else is in use on other contracts. What would be the lead time to get E400MMC's depending when the contract would start? I don't think they will leave London, I think Arriva will always have a place in London, also Southern Counties will get more of a foothold in West London, and there will be a revival of sorts I think O Licence removal may just be on certain buses they are no longer using. Sorry for using a lot of words to say so little Arriva have been happy to buy HVs, including full allocations on routes 29 and 73. It should be simple for them to concentrate on HV as the standard double-decker for tender gains and renewals. If we exclude LTs and TGM route E10, it seems that new Arriva London bus orders have dried up now. With regards the LT's, they've been made to have them  Yes, 10 buses for the E10 which is technically Arriva Kent Thameside... it has been very quiet. The HVs are more for work in Central London, They aren't using them on other routes like the 123 for instance. I don't know why they don't, also regarding HVs, Wrightbus is up to its eyeballs making LTs, and probably Gemini3's for everyone else, they probably haven't even got round to making any HVs let alone StreetDecks yet  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 20:03:33 GMT
If Arriva do sell up I wonder if it could be broken up for the sale.
I could see TT going after DX to give them a presence in North East London.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Sept 28, 2014 20:08:28 GMT
I had a notable response in June when I touted EC for closure. As regards Arriva selling TOLST to RATP, I doubt this is linked to their success or otherwise in route tendering. RATP have sightseeing tours in Bath and New York, but I doubt that Arriva parent since 2010 Deutsche Bahn have any. Mind you, I saw DLP215 today still with Arriva name so maybe the sale is not yet completed. I've seen a pic of at least one DLP with logos removed - I'm guessing they are taking their time in doing the job. There was a DLP at Showbus with no Arriva logos, but no RATP ones either |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 29, 2014 12:46:32 GMT
A lot of the most recent tender losses of Arriva they were beaten on price. A lot of the ongoing tenders over the past year or so have been won on the lowest bids. Could you blame TfL? After al they are looking at all avenues to save money.
One notable loss Arriva just could not compete with was the loss of route 298. The amount Sullivans won it for per year; Arriva just could not compete with that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 1:36:57 GMT
A lot of the most recent tender losses of Arriva they were beaten on price. A lot of the ongoing tenders over the past year or so have been won on the lowest bids. Could you blame TfL? After al they are looking at all avenues to save money. One notable loss Arriva just could not compete with was the loss of route 298. The amount Sullivans won it for per year; Arriva just could not compete with that. TfL are much less likely now it seems to retain the incumbent operator at a higher price quoting various reasons for not awarding to lowest bidder. However, the 207 for example should have gone to London United, lowest bidder, but awarded to Metroline citing performance as the reason. |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 6, 2014 6:05:35 GMT
A lot of the most recent tender losses of Arriva they were beaten on price. A lot of the ongoing tenders over the past year or so have been won on the lowest bids. Could you blame TfL? After al they are looking at all avenues to save money. One notable loss Arriva just could not compete with was the loss of route 298. The amount Sullivans won it for per year; Arriva just could not compete with that. TfL are much less likely now it seems to retain the incumbent operator at a higher price quoting various reasons for not awarding to lowest bidder. However, the 207 for example should have gone to London United, lowest bidder, but awarded to Metroline citing performance as the reason. Where would LU have run the 207 from?  Arriva London need to start leasing and not buying, other parts of Arriva don't want London's knackered stuff with the centre door removed any more. This capitulation does seem like a slow retreat but I think it's linked to VDL not being a preferred supplier, so options for buying new stock are reduced at present. I would hate to see them go  perhaps they can explore developing markets... like West London |
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Post by Nathan on Oct 6, 2014 7:46:37 GMT
TfL are much less likely now it seems to retain the incumbent operator at a higher price quoting various reasons for not awarding to lowest bidder. However, the 207 for example should have gone to London United, lowest bidder, but awarded to Metroline citing performance as the reason. Where would LU have run the 207 from? Sherpards Bush? Park Royal? |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 6, 2014 16:49:19 GMT
I was browsing the iPad earlier and it seems the papers have picked up on this, and more must browse this forum than I previously thought!  slow news day, I guess |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 6, 2014 16:55:49 GMT
I was browsing the iPad earlier and it seems the papers have picked up on this, and more must browse this forum than I previously thought! slow news day, I guess This made me laugh. No doubt you are the Forum Comedian |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 6, 2014 20:01:58 GMT
I was browsing the iPad earlier and it seems the papers have picked up on this, and more must browse this forum than I previously thought! ... slow news day, I guess This made me laugh. No doubt you are the Forum Comedian It was quite a slow day news-wise, as the Daily Fail went with this...  I do wish they would get their facts right |
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 6, 2014 20:19:41 GMT
This made me laugh. No doubt you are the Forum Comedian It was quite a slow day news-wise, as the Daily Fail went with this... I do wish they would get their facts right Lol how do you do this stuff |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 6, 2014 20:20:17 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 7, 2014 1:14:58 GMT
loooool
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Yes, 10 buses for the E10 which is technically Arriva Kent Thameside... it has been very quiet. The HVs are more for work in Central London, They aren't using them on other routes like the 123 for instance. I don't know why they don't, also regarding HVs, Wrightbus is up to its eyeballs making LTs, and probably Gemini3's for everyone else, they probably haven't even got round to making any HVs let alone StreetDecks yet 
Arriva London need to start leasing and not buying, other parts of Arriva don't want London's knackered stuff with the centre door removed any more. This capitulation does seem like a slow retreat but I think it's linked to VDL not being a preferred supplier, so options for buying new stock are reduced at present. I would hate to see them go 
perhaps they can explore developing markets... like West London 
