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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 9:58:36 GMT
Where are the ones for the 176 coming from thou. Surely they current amount on the 88 isn't enough as the PVR is going up. It's only a partial LT conversion of the 176.
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Post by george on Mar 23, 2019 10:00:15 GMT
Where are the ones for the 176 coming from thou. Surely they current amount on the 88 isn't enough as the PVR is going up. It's only a partial LT conversion of the 176. Yeah but even still there is still not enough.
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 10:03:19 GMT
It's only a partial LT conversion of the 176. Yeah but even still there is still not enough. Not enough for what? Surely it's a straight swap between the 87,88 and part of the 176 allocation?
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Post by george on Mar 23, 2019 10:10:13 GMT
Yeah but even still there is still not enough. Not enough for what? Surely it's a straight swap between the 87,88 and part of the 176 allocation? PVR of 88 is currently 23, the pvr of 87 is currently 22 so if all LTs come from the 88 then there will be no LTs left for the 176.
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Post by WSD3 on Mar 23, 2019 10:12:41 GMT
Not enough for what? Surely it's a straight swap between the 87,88 and part of the 176 allocation? PVR of 88 is currently 23, the pvr of 87 is currently 22 so if all LTs come from the 88 then there will be no LTs left for the 176. What about the spares for each route
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 10:18:29 GMT
Not enough for what? Surely it's a straight swap between the 87,88 and part of the 176 allocation? PVR of 88 is currently 23, the pvr of 87 is currently 22 so if all LTs come from the 88 then there will be no LTs left for the 176. Yes I see what you mean, basically the extra buses for the 88 extension. Are there any spare LT's knocking about?
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Post by M1104 on Mar 23, 2019 10:28:16 GMT
I wasn't aware that Kingston is on any LT blind (but happy to be corrected), can't ever remember seeing it even on a scroll through, but possibly is at end of a blindset. Are the N87 workings unique, or could we see a LT arriving at Kingston on a day route ready to take up N87 (and reverse at end of night) The N87 operates from Stockwell, a depot which don't do any other routes into the Kingston area. Therefore any LTs starting at Kingston would be likely running light from the garage or perhaps with the new schedules some could be from Wandsworth after finishing the 87. Regarding the blindsets, 'presumably' Kingston wasnt on the rolls until recently when the 87 and N87 were included
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Post by WSD3 on Mar 23, 2019 10:41:35 GMT
Not enough for what? Surely it's a straight swap between the 87,88 and part of the 176 allocation? PVR of 88 is currently 23, the pvr of 87 is currently 22 so if all LTs come from the 88 then there will be no LTs left for the 176. I think the pvr of the 88 will be extended to 27.
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Post by george on Mar 23, 2019 10:45:08 GMT
PVR of 88 is currently 23, the pvr of 87 is currently 22 so if all LTs come from the 88 then there will be no LTs left for the 176. Yes I see what you mean, basically the extra buses for the 88 extension. Are there any spare LT's knocking about? Not that I can think of, maybe they will wait until some come free from the 11 but that would mean at the moment spares couldn't come from the 176. It's confusing lol
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 11:21:43 GMT
For reasons best known to TfL, the first one was exhibited at Kingston market place for a few hours. It has generally been free of them since (there has been some random driver traing runs passing through). I wasn't aware that Kingston is on any LT blind (but happy to be corrected), can't ever remember seeing it even on a scroll through, but possibly is at end of a blindset. Are the N87 workings unique, or could we see a LT arriving at Kingston on a day route ready to take up N87 (and reverse at end of night) Is the N87 definitely converting to LT? It could continue with standard buses? Presumably if there are any odd workings of LT's on the 88 they will have to be curtailed at Camden Town? As I mentioned further up on the previous page, LOTS has mentioned that the N87 will using LT''s.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 11:29:47 GMT
Yes I see what you mean, basically the extra buses for the 88 extension. Are there any spare LT's knocking about? Not that I can think of, maybe they will wait until some come free from the 11 but that would mean at the moment spares couldn't come from the 176. It's confusing lol The 87 currently has 24 EH's allocated for a PVR of 22 The 88 currently has 27 LT's allocated for a PVR of 23 The 87 needs max 25 LT's which leaves 2 left for the 176 but the 88 is rumoured to increase from 23 to 28 in terms of PVR If the PVR increase does happen, then 7 EH's will transfer from the 176 as we know an amount of EH's is definitely transferring from the 176 to the 88. What we don't know is how many LT's will transfer to the 176 however I suspect some will be from the 11 which has more spares than needed as well as from the 12 which also has extra spares.
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Post by thebusguy on Mar 23, 2019 11:47:23 GMT
I wasn't aware that Kingston is on any LT blind (but happy to be corrected), can't ever remember seeing it even on a scroll through, but possibly is at end of a blindset. Are the N87 workings unique, or could we see a LT arriving at Kingston on a day route ready to take up N87 (and reverse at end of night) The N87 operates from Stockwell, a depot which don't do any other routes into the Kingston area. Therefore any LTs starting at Kingston would be likely running light from the garage or perhaps with the new schedules some could be from Wandsworth after finishing the 87. Regarding the blindsets, 'presumably' Kingston wasnt on the rolls until recently when the 87 and N87 were included Maybe it could do the 131, short deadrun from Wandsworth... AL might appreciate some LTs... imagine the crazy things that could happen...
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 11:55:51 GMT
The N87 operates from Stockwell, a depot which don't do any other routes into the Kingston area. Therefore any LTs starting at Kingston would be likely running light from the garage or perhaps with the new schedules some could be from Wandsworth after finishing the 87. Regarding the blindsets, 'presumably' Kingston wasnt on the rolls until recently when the 87 and N87 were included Maybe it could do the 131, short deadrun from Wandsworth... AL might appreciate some LTs... imagine the crazy things that could happen... There is no timetable change to the 87 and presumably the same applies to the N87 so surely it will continue to operate in the same way it does now with or without LT's?
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Post by thebusguy on Mar 23, 2019 12:16:24 GMT
Maybe it could do the 131, short deadrun from Wandsworth... AL might appreciate some LTs... imagine the crazy things that could happen... There is no timetable change to the 87 and presumably the same applies to the N87 so surely it will continue to operate in the same way it does now with or without LT's? Would be nice to have an LT working on the 131, but they could always give part of the allocation of the 131 to SW for the evenings, similar to what the 71 does, and in the mornings when deadrunning back to SW.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 23, 2019 12:55:54 GMT
There is no timetable change to the 87 and presumably the same applies to the N87 so surely it will continue to operate in the same way it does now with or without LT's? Would be nice to have an LT working on the 131, but they could always give part of the allocation of the 131 to SW for the evenings, similar to what the 71 does, and in the mornings when deadrunning back to SW. Is the 131 crosslinked with the N87? It would be a bit uneconomical to have LTs stationed at AL otherwise.
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