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Post by rif153 on Dec 6, 2019 21:04:31 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. I can imagine that many won't notice the X prefix and confuse it for the 140. I can also imagine many will be horrified when the 140 doesn't turn at Heathrow Central, or get turfed off at Hayes & Harlington on the 140.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 21:08:33 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. I can imagine that many won't notice the X prefix and confuse it for the 140. I can also imagine many will be horrified when the 140 doesn't turn at Heathrow Central, or get turfed off at Hayes & Harlington on the 140. I think when changes like this happen it would be better to introduce new route numbers - It wouldn't add cost as new blinds were needed for the X140 anyway.
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Post by kmkcheng on Dec 6, 2019 21:08:45 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. I’m imagining the horror and anger in their faces as it zooms past the stop they want
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Post by rif153 on Dec 6, 2019 21:10:02 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. I’m imagining the horror and anger in their faces as it zooms past the stop they want The poor drivers will be recipient of a lot of grief from passengers
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Post by rj131 on Dec 6, 2019 21:16:13 GMT
I’m imagining the horror and anger in their faces as it zooms past the stop they want The poor drivers will be recipient of a lot of grief from passengers I wonder if the iBus displays will say ‘X140 to Heathrow Central, Limited Stop’ like the X68 buses do. Still not a great help though if a passenger has their earphones in and not paying attention. Did the 140 stops have yellow route change notice cards inside the timetables? I know the 224 stops did advertising the 224 and 440 changes.
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Post by redexpress on Dec 6, 2019 21:22:11 GMT
Leaving aside the pioneering 500, the first lot of Red Arrow routes (501-507) was introduced as part of Reshaping on 07.09.68, at the same time as the Wood Green area flat-fare routes (W1-6). Although it's slightly spoiled by the fact that not all of the routes involved had a Saturday service, so some of them actually started on the Monday (09.09.68). Not sure if any other schemes started at the same time.
Subsequently there were other local schemes that saw several new routes introduced in one go, e.g. Roundabout at Orpington in 1986, or the Harrow Buses routes H11-H15 in 1987. Can't think of anything more recent that involves six routes though.
How many new routes were created in 1992 when a number of central London routes were split? Good point. I had thought that the 1992 changes were split over several dates but it turns out that seven new routes were created on 18.07.92, i.e. 9A, 23, 26, 98, N26, N65 and N99. Other routes like 91 and 172 were introduced on other dates in 1992.
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Post by redexpress on Dec 6, 2019 21:25:59 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. Did we figure out whether the X140 is included in Freeflow between Harlington Corner and Heathrow Central? If it's excluded (just like the X26) I imagine the drivers will be facing all sorts of trouble trying to stop people from piling on at Heathrow. At shift change times it's quite common for drivers to open the centre doors and allow people to board through both doors to speed things up.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 6, 2019 22:24:32 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. Did we figure out whether the X140 is included in Freeflow between Harlington Corner and Heathrow Central? If it's excluded (just like the X26) I imagine the drivers will be facing all sorts of trouble trying to stop people from piling on at Heathrow. At shift change times it's quite common for drivers to open the centre doors and allow people to board through both doors to speed things up. I can confirm that the X140 will not be part of Heathrow Freeflow. Routes 105, 111, 278, 285 and 555 provide ample capacity for that part of the zone and X140 would simply take a leaf out of the X26's book which is also not part of Freeflow to Hatton Cross of which the 285 is.
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Post by COBO on Dec 6, 2019 22:26:51 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. I can hear it now. Ring Ring Passenger: Driver I’ve rang the bell can you stop please. Driver: Not I don’t stop here. Passenger: you do stop here this is the 140. Driver: Sorry mam/sir this is not the 140 this is the X140 and I do not stop here.
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 6, 2019 23:01:46 GMT
The poor drivers will be recipient of a lot of grief from passengers Still not a great help though if a passenger has their earphones in and not paying attention. Was on the 170 today (terminating at Putney Heath) when the person who sat next to me was very suprised when the Bus Terminates Here announcement played at Putney Heath when the blinds and iBus clearly stated Putney Heath. Imagine 20x that on the X140
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Post by busaholic on Dec 6, 2019 23:16:42 GMT
Very confusing messages coming out concerning the 140.On the one hand, we're told as in current 'Coach and Bus Week' that the 140 route is ending 'after several decades', which is patent nonsense, on the other hand it's clear that everywhere currently served by the 140 will either still be served by that route, or the X140, or the combination of both, excepting certain stops between Heathrow and Hayes Station.My experience of West London routes has been scant compared to many on here, but I did pay visits to the Hayes area with my godmother when I was young, and can remember when the 140 terminated previously at either Hayes Station or Bourne Avenue. Okay, the 140 is changing and been broken up, but its demise is exaggerated. It's not the 48!
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Post by kmkcheng on Dec 6, 2019 23:38:22 GMT
Very confusing messages coming out concerning the 140.On the one hand, we're told as in current 'Coach and Bus Week' that the 140 route is ending 'after several decades', which is patent nonsense, on the other hand it's clear that everywhere currently served by the 140 will either still be served by that route, or the X140, or the combination of both, excepting certain stops between Heathrow and Hayes Station.My experience of West London routes has been scant compared to many on here, but I did pay visits to the Hayes area with my godmother when I was young, and can remember when the 140 terminated at either Hayes Station or Bourne Avenue. Okay, the 140 is changing and been broken up, but its demise is exaggerated. It's not the 48! You are right the 140 change has been exaggerated and on the whole I’m not that against it, but the main issue I have with the change is that all the intermediate stops north of Hayes have lost their direct Heathrow service so those passengers will either have to walk to a X140 stop or require a change of bus at Hayes. I would feel sorry for those that find out in the next few days that their nearest bus stop no longer has a Heathrow bus service anymore. If the 140 needed shortening, that would be fine with me but I wouldn’t have created the X140. Instead they should have created another all stop route that overlaps with the 140. Maybe a Heathrow to Rayners Lane service following the 140 up to Northolt Park then up Alexandra Ave. Rayners Lane has no links heading southwards except for the half-hourly 398 but that only goes down to Northolt Park via South Harrow.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 6, 2019 23:53:21 GMT
Okay, the 140 is changing and been broken up, but its demise is exaggerated. It's not the 48! In principle, the 140's demise is justifiably exaggerated due to the fact that TFL 'are fixing something that isn't broken'. The 140 was perfectly fine the way it was, a very popular route to and from Heathrow Airport that certainly did not deserve to be broken up just to make way for an unnecessary express route as a partial replacement. Now this change will be an inconvenience to a lot of people who use the 140 as it will be required to change buses between the stops the X140 will not serve and the airport. If the 140's reliability was a concern then it could have been cut back to Harrow Bus Station and the link to the airport could have been retained, with a slightly enhanced service on the 340 to compensate for the cut.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 7, 2019 1:03:02 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 9:32:43 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls. Yesterday I saw a chancer use the emergency door controls to get off a 607 despite not being close a 607 stop, it’s pitiful this kind of thing occurs
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