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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 14:35:06 GMT
Wouldn't it be better to cut the 139 back to West Hampstead? It could possibly be worked from KC when Metroline take it back with driver changeovers at Baker Street? There’s no space at KC for the 139. Golders Green isn’t far from W anyway and drivers can just catch a 245 to get there When the 139 used to terminate at West Hampstead it was so easy to do changeovers as they were all done at W, I did a couple shifts on the 139 at that time when I was a 232 driver. There was always spare buses available if it went wrong and was managed well. Also we had the pleasure of Mill Lane before (even though residents hated us using it) which you could get back to the garage in about 12 minutes so was pretty good
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Post by george on Jan 22, 2020 14:54:39 GMT
Must be quite a bit of space at KC since the loss of the 214? The 139 will have a higher PVR than there 214 so the full allocation won’t fit in there. Also I might be wrong but I seem to recall because of lack of space at KC, they were parking some buses outside of KC on the street. Wasn't the 17 meant to be moving to KC. Whatever happened to that?
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 22, 2020 20:04:49 GMT
I'm surprised the 139 hasn't been cut back yet. The fact that the 328 coped fine between west Hampstead and GG plus the 13 (82) maintains the link to Baker Street. Of course links to Oxo and Trafalgar Square would be lost but I think the 13 and 139 are similar from GG whereas cutting the 318 breaks to useful links to Kilburn and NHG. I'm not surprised that the 139 hasn't been cut back at all, and it shouldn't be. This would result in the 13 being busier than it already is between Baker Street/Oxford Street and Golders Green despite the alternative routing. Although the common section along the 139/328 is relatively less busy, the two routes serve their own purpose to and from Golders Green i.e. providing unique links therefore their existence is more than justified along there.
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Post by redbus on Jan 23, 2020 0:29:01 GMT
I'm surprised the 139 hasn't been cut back yet. The fact that the 328 coped fine between west Hampstead and GG plus the 13 (82) maintains the link to Baker Street. Of course links to Oxo and Trafalgar Square would be lost but I think the 13 and 139 are similar from GG whereas cutting the 318 breaks to useful links to Kilburn and NHG. I'm not surprised that the 139 hasn't been cut back at all, and it shouldn't be. This would result in the 13 being busier than it already is between Baker Street/Oxford Street and Golders Green despite the alternative routing. Although the common section along the 139/328 is relatively less busy, the two routes serve their own purpose to and from Golders Green i.e. providing unique links therefore their existence is more than justified along there. Agreed. I will however add a few points.
Historically the Kilburn - Golders Green link on the 328 (and 28 before it) has been well used, indeed I used to be a regular user for a time when I was at school, however these days it doesn't seem as well used as it used to be. One only has to see the loadings on the 328 after the various frequency reductions to see this, although I don't get to see it in peaks, so perhaps it is packed then.
The 139 seems to have gone from nothing to being busier than the 328 in this section. This has surprised me primarily because the 139 was never that busy to Golders Green when it used to run there, and I never expected 'old 13' passengers to transfer to it. TfL were right about some 'old 13' passengers moving to the 139, I was wrong. 139s are now noticeably busier through West Hampstead and Abbey Road than they were when the route terminated at West Hampstead, and this is mainly due to passengers boarding between Golders Green and West Hampstead.
For all the above reasons the 139 is now the more important route between Golders Green and West Hampstead, so if a route had to be cut back to West Hampstead, logic now dictates that should now be the 328. Of course logic (or what seems logical to me), doesn't seem to enter matters, but in reality both routes provide important links that should not be broken and neither route should be cut.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 24, 2020 14:17:33 GMT
According to this month's LOTS from Saturday February 1st the N109 will be "...extended from Oxford Circus via Oxford Street to terminate at Marble Arch." Having said that it also says "...using existing diesel double decks." lol
With LOTS being a long-standing reliable source of information they can be forgiven for the apparent errors. Incidentally there's no mention on the 159 which presently still goes to Marble Arch, so I'm therefor guessing either the 159 gets cut back to Oxford Circus on the same day or that the changes may all be done later on in the year.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 24, 2020 14:24:07 GMT
Is this another sigh of the 159 being cut to Oxford Circus. We have had so many with the temp curtailments that then get restored to Marble Arch that we can never be sure if the planned withdrawal will happen or not.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 24, 2020 15:38:24 GMT
Is this another sigh of the 159 being cut to Oxford Circus. We have had so many with the temp curtailments that then get restored to Marble Arch that we can never be sure if the planned withdrawal will happen or not. Would be interesting to know if the 109 buses already have Marble Arch on their blinds
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Post by rj131 on Jan 24, 2020 15:43:25 GMT
Is this another sigh of the 159 being cut to Oxford Circus. We have had so many with the temp curtailments that then get restored to Marble Arch that we can never be sure if the planned withdrawal will happen or not. Would be interesting to know if the 109 buses already have Marble Arch on their blinds That could explain why there are now quite a few of the 109 MMCs with new blinds? Do Abellio run any routes that (or did run that they’ve not lost) terminate or have curtailment points at Marble Arch? Those 109 MMCs have quite a few routes on their blinds, like the 157 and 188 that are now redundant, any more that could be on there that go to Marble Arch?
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Post by M1104 on Jan 24, 2020 16:01:24 GMT
Would be interesting to know if the 109 buses already have Marble Arch on their blinds That could explain why there are now quite a few of the 109 MMCs with new blinds? Do Abellio run any routes that (or did run that they’ve not lost) terminate or have curtailment points at Marble Arch? Those 109 MMCs have quite a few routes on their blinds, like the 157 and 188 that are now redundant, any more that could be on there that go to Marble Arch? 414 and N207 from their other depots though some of Battersea's E40Hs also include full blinds for the 159
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 17:22:53 GMT
According to this month's LOTS from Saturday February 1st the N109 will be "...extended from Oxford Circus via Oxford Street to terminate at Marble Arch." Having said that it also says "...using existing diesel double decks." lol With LOTS being a long-standing reliable source of information they can be forgiven for the apparent errors. Incidentally there's no mention on the 159 which presently still goes to Marble Arch, so I'm therefor guessing either the 159 gets cut back to Oxford Circus on the same day or that the changes may all be done later on in the year. I wonder if the night service of the 159 will be withdrawn as the N109 is extending to Marble Arch and the 113 rerouting to Marble Arch will happen during this year🤔
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 24, 2020 17:37:29 GMT
I can't see why the N109 would extend of the (N)159 still goes to Marble Arch
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 24, 2020 17:44:28 GMT
I can't see why the N109 would extend of the (N)159 still goes to Marble Arch Precisely, which is why it might be a huge indication of the 159N no longer reaching Marble Arch.
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Post by busaholic on Jan 24, 2020 18:40:49 GMT
I can't see why the N109 would extend of the (N)159 still goes to Marble Arch Precisely, which is why it might be a huge indication of the 159N no longer reaching Marble Arch. According to londonbusesnet the 159 is being diverted via Wigmore Street to Marble Arch from 27th January to 14th April: mind you, that doesn't prove anything on the night route element.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 19:39:33 GMT
Regarding the 328 - initial scheduling looks like it will only be extended to Battersea Bridge, South Side (Elcho Street), not any further.
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Post by george on Jan 27, 2020 20:37:05 GMT
Regarding the 328 - initial scheduling looks like it will only be extended to Battersea Bridge, South Side (Elcho Street), not any further. Want a pointless extension. That's a long walk from the the new development and tube stations. Presumably this will give TfL the excuse to get the 19 now.
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