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Post by vjaska on Jul 10, 2021 11:46:12 GMT
The route is key linking main stations to the City and Holborn, but what I find silly is reopening the Waterloo & City line when TFL need to find big savings and the rush hour isn't the same as 2019. Could easily divert the traffic onto the 521 that has lower running costs Rush hour might not be the same but I am sure the Waterloo & City Line is still helping relive pressure off other lines! Having only used the tube outside the peak I have seen how busy it is so dread to think what the peaks are like.
If anything I would prefer the line to be open instead of the buses despite the difference in cost. I spotted rather empty X68's on Wednesday evening which along with the Red Arrow routes could have been reduced sooner if savings were needed.
Don’t be fooled by those empty X68’s, I’ve seen a number running through Brixton with decent loads, enough to justify its existence.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 10, 2021 12:23:43 GMT
The route is key linking main stations to the City and Holborn, but what I find silly is reopening the Waterloo & City line when TFL need to find big savings and the rush hour isn't the same as 2019. Could easily divert the traffic onto the 521 that has lower running costs It did seem rather strange to be reopening the Waterloo & City line, buses are more than adequate at least for the time being or the tube with a change at Tottenham Court Road. Sure, but I reckon changing at London Bridge would be quicker.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 10, 2021 13:16:53 GMT
It did seem rather strange to be reopening the Waterloo & City line, buses are more than adequate at least for the time being or the tube with a change at Tottenham Court Road. Sure, but I reckon changing at London Bridge would be quicker. Possibly, either way I have doubts about the long term viability of the W&C, ideally it would be used for an extension of the DLR or Northern City Line but it seems that's not possible.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 10, 2021 13:23:26 GMT
Sure, but I reckon changing at London Bridge would be quicker. Possibly, either way I have doubts about the long term viability of the W&C, ideally it would be used for an extension of the DLR or Northern City Line but it seems that's not possible. Back to doom and gloom writing off central London again? You give the impression all the offices and closed shops will be knocked down and turned into housing! Nice idea but won't work! It's a pandemic not the end of the world. People will be returning to work. Not everyone wants to stay home working and having everything delivered! Humans are social.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 10, 2021 13:32:12 GMT
Possibly, either way I have doubts about the long term viability of the W&C, ideally it would be used for an extension of the DLR or Northern City Line but it seems that's not possible. Back to doom and gloom writing off central London again? You give the impression all the offices and closed shops will be knocked down and turned into housing! Nice idea but won't work! It's a pandemic not the end of the world. People will be returning to work. Not everyone wants to stay home working and having everything delivered! Humans are social. Just being realistic, the W&C is basically a commuter service like the X68 that you mentioned so both are at risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 13:32:55 GMT
Also, whislt a few months away still, the Waterloo & City will be essential when the Bank branch closes on the Northern line. Northern to Waterkoo then W&C will be a very useful way to reach the City but also East London as opposed to changing to the Jubilee and Central at Waterloo and TCR respectively. I wonder whether Tfl are considering increasing the frequency of bus routes that run along the Bank branch of the Northern line like the 133, could be quite useful
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 10, 2021 13:35:40 GMT
Possibly, either way I have doubts about the long term viability of the W&C, ideally it would be used for an extension of the DLR or Northern City Line but it seems that's not possible. Back to doom and gloom writing off central London again? You give the impression all the offices and closed shops will be knocked down and turned into housing! Nice idea but won't work! It's a pandemic not the end of the world. People will be returning to work. Not everyone wants to stay home working and having everything delivered! Humans are social. Not writing off Central London entirely, companies are already doing part home working that can save alot of money from office space rent. Takes off alot of pressure and usage from the trains and busses. Was on the Northern Line coming back from Bank this week on peak rush hour, trains just felt like a normal Saturday day out traveling
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Post by greenboy on Jul 10, 2021 13:39:45 GMT
Back to doom and gloom writing off central London again? You give the impression all the offices and closed shops will be knocked down and turned into housing! Nice idea but won't work! It's a pandemic not the end of the world. People will be returning to work. Not everyone wants to stay home working and having everything delivered! Humans are social. Not writing off Central London entirely, companies are already doing part home working that can save alot of money from office space rent. Takes alot of pressure and usage from the trains and busses. Was on the Northern Line coming back from Bank this week on peak rush hour, trains just felt like a normal Saturday day out traveling Indeed and remote working has been on the increase for a few years now as technology advances, the pandemic has just speeded up the process. I would expect Central London to be a lot more leisure orientated in the future.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 10, 2021 14:49:28 GMT
Back to doom and gloom writing off central London again? You give the impression all the offices and closed shops will be knocked down and turned into housing! Nice idea but won't work! It's a pandemic not the end of the world. People will be returning to work. Not everyone wants to stay home working and having everything delivered! Humans are social. Just being realistic, the W&C is basically a commuter service like the X68 that you mentioned so both are at risk. I'm not sure the X68 is wholly a commuter service - I've seen a number of decent loadings throughout the last few months on the route which would suggest a possible new type of passenger using it given the usual commuters are probably are still working from home?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 10, 2021 19:22:11 GMT
Just being realistic, the W&C is basically a commuter service like the X68 that you mentioned so both are at risk. I'm not sure the X68 is wholly a commuter service - I've seen a number of decent loadings throughout the last few months on the route which would suggest a possible new type of passenger using it given the usual commuters are probably are still working from home? Iv used it to get from Aldwych back to Croydon and tbh whislt obviously not quicker, it was easier then heading to either LB or Victoria and waiting for a train. Not to mention regular 68 users will undoubtedly take the X68 if it comes for a quicker journey.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 19:50:32 GMT
Yes ofcourse. That looks to be in the region of around 25 based on what is going to other routes to free up buses for the W15. So 75 so far planned for the PVR reduction in central London. I'm told the PVR of the 507 drops to 10 - and for the 521, down to 20. May need to be something to make up the balance for the W15. 14/22/74/430 also in the offing for cuts I hear -potentially freeing up as many 15 buses. 521 will drop to 15, and 507 to 9. Total PVR decrease across all routes in Central London will end up being 105. Not aware of any on 14/22/74/430 at this stage.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 10, 2021 21:07:07 GMT
I'm told the PVR of the 507 drops to 10 - and for the 521, down to 20. May need to be something to make up the balance for the W15. 14/22/74/430 also in the offing for cuts I hear -potentially freeing up as many 15 buses. 521 will drop to 15, and 507 to 9. Total PVR decrease across all routes in Central London will end up being 105. Not aware of any on 14/22/74/430 at this stage. I think the 74 and 430 have already dropped to every 10 mins which freed up the buses for the 176. The 14 could probably drop due to the 414 to S Kensington and the 19, 38 as far as TCR.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 22:03:48 GMT
521 will drop to 15, and 507 to 9. Total PVR decrease across all routes in Central London will end up being 105. Not aware of any on 14/22/74/430 at this stage. I think the 74 and 430 have already dropped to every 10 mins which freed up the buses for the 176. The 14 could probably drop due to the 414 to S Kensington and the 19, 38 as far as TCR. In all seriousness the 414 should really be sacrificed to save the 14.
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Post by ianhardy on Jul 11, 2021 7:58:29 GMT
I think the 74 and 430 have already dropped to every 10 mins which freed up the buses for the 176. The 14 could probably drop due to the 414 to S Kensington and the 19, 38 as far as TCR. In all seriousness the 414 should really be sacrificed to save the 14. Why, if TfL think that the heaviest loadings on the 14 are between Putney Bridge and Hyde Park Corner, then the 414 serves as a localised shuttle to support the 14. The 414 also misses out the section of the 14 between Hyde Park Corner and Russell Square so it could give a more reliable service than the 14 between Putney Bridge and Hyde Park Corner especially when the section north of Marble Arch is lopped off.
TfL want all journeys on a route to operate the full length of the route, as TfL don't like short journeys as most passengers cannot cope with reading destination blinds as they can just about manage to read 14 or 414 but as for where the bus is actually going to, no chance. Therefore TfL would not permit the 14 to have short journeys to cover the busier section.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 11, 2021 8:27:53 GMT
I think the 74 and 430 have already dropped to every 10 mins which freed up the buses for the 176. The 14 could probably drop due to the 414 to S Kensington and the 19, 38 as far as TCR. In all seriousness the 414 should really be sacrificed to save the 14. I agree, I don't think anyone would miss the 414 if it was axed. Or if the extra capacity is needed along Fulham Road just reduce the 414 to South Kensington to Roehampton and withdraw the 430 and maybe increase the 74 slightly.
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