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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2024 16:04:36 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands 123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. 232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road) As a quick head's up, this thread is for imminent changes typically with a fixed date. As this change isn't likely to happen in the next couple weeks and there's no given date, this post is better placed in the General Discussions and/or New Route Ideas thread.
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 17, 2024 16:13:13 GMT
You’re right, I took the SL2 once from North Woolwich to Walthamstow Central and I must say that between Barking and Ilford, the traffic is lengthy. Moreover between Ilford and Walthamstow Central, the route is actually quite fast. The SL2 seems to be a route of three sections Walthamstow to Ilford: Effectively just an X123 apart from the left turn into Walthamstow. Certainly going to be a well used section Ilford to Barking: Potentially the busiest section on a per mile basis, however there seems to be resistance from pax moving from the EL1. I would imagine it's down to many people using the Ilford Lane stops and coupled with the fact that due to the road's narrowness and the hard work involved for buses to overtake each other that if an EL1 or 169 comes first you're better off sticking with it. Barking to North Woolwich: Easily going to be the least used section. Would imagine most usage will be people just attempting to get to Ilford for shopping needs, but Gallions Reach caters to them locally as it is. The issue between Barking and Ilford via South Park Drive isn't South Park drive itself, but the traffic going down Winston Way to get to Green Lane, then heading down Green Lane itself. South Park Drive is usually quiet but then you need to head down Longbridge Road again. Ilford Lane while blocked will probably be faster on most occasions. Pretty much
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 17, 2024 17:37:15 GMT
You’re right, I took the SL2 once from North Woolwich to Walthamstow Central and I must say that between Barking and Ilford, the traffic is lengthy. Moreover between Ilford and Walthamstow Central, the route is actually quite fast. The SL2 seems to be a route of three sections Walthamstow to Ilford: Effectively just an X123 apart from the left turn into Walthamstow. Certainly going to be a well used section Ilford to Barking: Potentially the busiest section on a per mile basis, however there seems to be resistance from pax moving from the EL1. I would imagine it's down to many people using the Ilford Lane stops and coupled with the fact that due to the road's narrowness and the hard work involved for buses to overtake each other that if an EL1 or 169 comes first you're better off sticking with it. Barking to North Woolwich: Easily going to be the least used section. Would imagine most usage will be people just attempting to get to Ilford for shopping needs, but Gallions Reach caters to them locally as it is. The issue between Barking and Ilford via South Park Drive isn't South Park drive itself, but the traffic going down Winston Way to get to Green Lane, then heading down Green Lane itself. South Park Drive is usually quiet but then you need to head down Longbridge Road again. Ilford Lane while blocked will probably be faster on most occasions. The SL2 will be useful for University of East London students because there is not much transport networks at UEL docklands campus when you think about it.
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 18, 2024 10:24:30 GMT
I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. Sorry to disappoint you, but given the SL2 is here to stay there'll be no frequency increase on the 123. It'll get chopped to Turnpike Lane, usage on both ends of the route will decrease and thus the justification of 5bph during the week. Similar scenario with the 34, 140, and 183, I don't know why people believe the 123 is safe. One can also argue the PVR increase in the SL7 was part funded by the reduction in the 213 which parallels it. Once the SL2 is established with passengers, there will be cuts to the 123, 366 and EL1. Paul needs to be paid and Peter's looking quite wealthy at the moment... I was surprised by the original post as to where this news came from about a possible increase as I dont see why it would happen considering the introduction of SL2 to support it and the cut to Turnpike Lane. The way the post was made it seemed official news but was weary about the use of the word 'possible'. As you posted, anything unofficial should not be posted here. So I dont see a frequency increase but I dont necessarily see a cut, the cut will solely depend on SL2 use. If it is well used and reliable over the Walthamstow - Ilford, then it could happen. Also, 366 seems unlikely to be cut unless SL2 is rerouted to server at least Gallions Reach Shopping Centre. Similarly, they would need to move the SL2 stop to be with the EL1 if they make cuts to that.
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Post by WH241 on Mar 18, 2024 10:51:38 GMT
I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. Sorry to disappoint you, but given the SL2 is here to stay there'll be no frequency increase on the 123. It'll get chopped to Turnpike Lane, usage on both ends of the route will decrease and thus the justification of 5bph during the week. Similar scenario with the 34, 140, and 183, I don't know why people believe the 123 is safe. One can also argue the PVR increase in the SL7 was part funded by the reduction in the 213 which parallels it. Once the SL2 is established with passengers, there will be cuts to the 123, 366 and EL1. Paul needs to be paid and Peter's looking quite wealthy at the moment... You can’t for sure say the SL2 is here to stay. We have seen vanity projects from previous Mayors and a new broom can come along and make changes. I think of all the routes the SL2 is most at risk of failing or being subject to change before the next tender in 2026.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 18, 2024 11:21:49 GMT
I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. Sorry to disappoint you, but given the SL2 is here to stay there'll be no frequency increase on the 123. It'll get chopped to Turnpike Lane, usage on both ends of the route will decrease and thus the justification of 5bph during the week. Similar scenario with the 34, 140, and 183, I don't know why people believe the 123 is safe. One can also argue the PVR increase in the SL7 was part funded by the reduction in the 213 which parallels it. Once the SL2 is established with passengers, there will be cuts to the 123, 366 and EL1. Paul needs to be paid and Peter's looking quite wealthy at the moment... I think the EL1 might escape, a parallel for 1 stop doesn't seem to be hurting the route as most of its passengers use the route down Ilford Lane where the SL2 doesn't stop.
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Post by gwiwer on Mar 18, 2024 12:50:15 GMT
Perhaps the site owners could move the posts which make speculative comments about the future to a more suitable thread. As others have noted this area is for planned and known upcoming changes only. It can be confusing to read here of "changes" which are only in the minds of one or two members rather than being brought forward by TfL.
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Post by abellion on Mar 18, 2024 13:08:35 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you, but given the SL2 is here to stay there'll be no frequency increase on the 123. It'll get chopped to Turnpike Lane, usage on both ends of the route will decrease and thus the justification of 5bph during the week. Similar scenario with the 34, 140, and 183, I don't know why people believe the 123 is safe. One can also argue the PVR increase in the SL7 was part funded by the reduction in the 213 which parallels it. Once the SL2 is established with passengers, there will be cuts to the 123, 366 and EL1. Paul needs to be paid and Peter's looking quite wealthy at the moment... You can’t for sure say the SL2 is here to stay. We have seen vanity projects from previous Mayors and a new broom can come along and make changes. I think of all the routes the SL2 is most at risk of failing or being subject to change before the next tender in 2026. Hopefully a timetable change or they’ll have to change the route from SL2 to SLug…
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 18, 2024 13:29:18 GMT
You can’t for sure say the SL2 is here to stay. We have seen vanity projects from previous Mayors and a new broom can come along and make changes. I think of all the routes the SL2 is most at risk of failing or being subject to change before the next tender in 2026. Hopefully a timetable change or they’ll have to change the route from SL2 to SLug… Yesterday I went into a shop at Barking Station to grab a takeaway, HA47 was outside with its hazards on, by the time I'd ordered my food and they'd cooked it and I walked out the bus was still outside with its hazards on. I think its not going to be an easy one to get the timetable right, there are cases where traffic can build up for one bus but the bus behind then won't have to deal with it as the traffic since dissipated on Ilford Lane. Then don't even start me on what the A406 can flare up with.
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Post by gwiwer on Mar 18, 2024 14:25:05 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 18, 2024 15:12:20 GMT
I don’t think it needs an increase or frequency change, it’s a very minimal change.
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Post by gwiwer on Mar 18, 2024 18:49:43 GMT
I don’t think it needs an increase or frequency change, it’s a very minimal change. It is indeed a minimal change. It has been suggested before in here that the 281 is in need of an uplift in headway as the current 6bph barely clears the queues. Any late running (and there is plenty of that) means the first - and sometimes the first two or even three - buses are already filled and leave behind. 10bph would be nearer the mark but I would settle for 8.
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Post by londonbuses on Mar 18, 2024 18:55:29 GMT
I don’t think it needs an increase or frequency change, it’s a very minimal change. The change itself is minimal, but the route desperately needs a frequency increase to 8bph at the bare minimum. Even if it doesn't get a frequency increase, it clearly needs a couple of extra buses added to the PVR for reliability because the amount of Surbiton turns on the route is shocking, even at quiet times.
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Post by gwiwer on Mar 18, 2024 23:30:16 GMT
And Whitton Church turns. Which leaves 20-minute gaps at Hounslow which is a very busy centre and one of the several key sources of traffic for the 281. The 4bph that typically get through to Hounslow is a woeful level of service. It can be impossible to get on at the (SWR) station and sometimes at the shopping centre just before it.
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Post by TNA33379 on Mar 19, 2024 12:00:10 GMT
Romford diversion Phase3 started today
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