|
|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 4, 2015 12:25:20 GMT
The economy is not going to fall over if Heathrow doesn't get expanded. In fact, making Heathrow bloated could be worse rather than increasing the size of other airports like Gatwick. Heathrow can't continue to have runways lavished upon it especially when the levels of noise and aviation pollution would make it illegal to have a runway. Whether it's two villages or twenty two villages, those people have rights - would you like to live next to 3 runways? I agree. Of course, the economy is not going to fall over but Heathrow does need to expand if I had my way it would be right now. What some people are not thinking about is the future. To copy with growing demand if we still want London to be a top financial centre in 30 years we must invest in our resources to attract business; Heathrow is a BIG factor in that. Gatwick is a good airport for what it is, being a supporting airport for London (and Heathrow tbh) but it does not have the capabilities or links that Heathrow has especially with projects like Crossrail coming. Airlines want Heathrow to expand so it sustains business in the future and to fight off competitors which are growing at a rapid rate like Dubai and Frankfurt. Also on the point of the villages next to Heathrow, what I have to say to that is that things change and life is not fair. You can't expect if you live next to an airport especially a major one like Heathrow that there is no risk of expansion that could affect you. It is not like they are not going compensated for their loss of a home. Also Heathrow owns the land of the nearby villages so the ball is really in their court. The expansion will help create thousand of new jobs, retain and attract more business to London which in turns help the economy. Unfortunate that some people have to be affected but for the overall potential the expansion has for the country as a whole, it has to be done. I totally agree with this, Even EasyJet says it would consider moving into Heathrow if a third runway is built even though it has a huge presence in Gatwick. Airlines are likely to get more passengers should they be flying to Heathrow over Gatwick. The people in the villages will just need to deal with it, lf I lived next to an airport and had to move out and get compensation I would happily do it. |
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2015 1:54:00 GMT
I agree. Of course, the economy is not going to fall over but Heathrow does need to expand if I had my way it would be right now. What some people are not thinking about is the future. To copy with growing demand if we still want London to be a top financial centre in 30 years we must invest in our resources to attract business; Heathrow is a BIG factor in that. Gatwick is a good airport for what it is, being a supporting airport for London (and Heathrow tbh) but it does not have the capabilities or links that Heathrow has especially with projects like Crossrail coming. Airlines want Heathrow to expand so it sustains business in the future and to fight off competitors which are growing at a rapid rate like Dubai and Frankfurt. Also on the point of the villages next to Heathrow, what I have to say to that is that things change and life is not fair. You can't expect if you live next to an airport especially a major one like Heathrow that there is no risk of expansion that could affect you. It is not like they are not going compensated for their loss of a home. Also Heathrow owns the land of the nearby villages so the ball is really in their court. The expansion will help create thousand of new jobs, retain and attract more business to London which in turns help the economy. Unfortunate that some people have to be affected but for the overall potential the expansion has for the country as a whole, it has to be done. I totally agree with this, Even EasyJet says it would consider moving into Heathrow if a third runway is built even though it has a huge presence in Gatwick. Airlines are likely to get more passengers should they be flying to Heathrow over Gatwick. The people in the villages will just need to deal with it, lf I lived next to an airport and had to move out and get compensation I would happily do it. Maybe you do but I wonder how many others would quite happily move - very few being the answer. Just because you get compensation doesn't mean you'll get enough to find yourself a suitable home - that's before you factor in other things like work, school if you have a kid, elderly relatives if you care for them. You make things sound so easy when they aren't. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 2:46:21 GMT
Economic development is all very nice and all but the environmental impact will be devastating. Global warming and the like is a very serious issue and something needs to be done. I'm sure other things can be done to help the economy that don't have as much of an effect as increasing plane journeys.
|
|
|
|
Post by rmz19 on Jul 5, 2015 10:21:09 GMT
Economic development is all very nice and all but the environmental impact will be devastating. Global warming and the like is a very serious issue and something needs to be done. I'm sure other things can be done to help the economy that don't have as much of an effect as increasing plane journeys. With regards to increasing plane journeys, expanding Heathrow will have a positive impact on air traffic. At the moment, two runways are insufficient for such a major international airport as planes have to circulate London several times in order to queue up for Landing, this consequently increases journey time, increases fuel consumption, and causes delays. A third runway will diminish these factors and enable for a smoother traffic flow. |
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2015 12:33:43 GMT
Economic development is all very nice and all but the environmental impact will be devastating. Global warming and the like is a very serious issue and something needs to be done. I'm sure other things can be done to help the economy that don't have as much of an effect as increasing plane journeys. With regards to increasing plane journeys, expanding Heathrow will have a positive impact on air traffic. At the moment, two runways are insufficient for such a major international airport as planes have to circulate London several times in order to queue up for Landing, this consequently increases journey time, increases fuel consumption, and causes delays. A third runway will diminish these factors and enable for a smoother traffic flow. However, building a third runway at Heathrow increases noise and air pollution with the increase stretching into South East London and would thus be at illegal levels if the runway was built. I really don't understand why people think leaving Gatwick and other airports as it is such a good idea - the wealth needs to be spread around rather than concentrated at one bloated airport and then what happens when capacity gets used up should the horrifying idea of a third runway be constructed - a fourth runway and then a fifth - where will it end. |
|
|
|
Post by snowman on Jul 5, 2015 13:41:42 GMT
With regards to increasing plane journeys, expanding Heathrow will have a positive impact on air traffic. At the moment, two runways are insufficient for such a major international airport as planes have to circulate London several times in order to queue up for Landing, this consequently increases journey time, increases fuel consumption, and causes delays. A third runway will diminish these factors and enable for a smoother traffic flow. However, building a third runway at Heathrow increases noise and air pollution with the increase stretching into South East London and would thus be at illegal levels if the runway was built. I really don't understand why people think leaving Gatwick and other airports as it is such a good idea - the wealth needs to be spread around rather than concentrated at one bloated airport and then what happens when capacity gets used up should the horrifying idea of a third runway be constructed - a fourth runway and then a fifth - where will it end. The previous post was more accurate, it is not only queuing to land which causes noise (away from Heathrow), it is the queues to take off, making noise, wasting fuel, thus increasing pollution. The reason is the planes are held in groups, single aisle, mid size, and heavies (at various entrances to the runway) this allows higher use as separation times can be less. Having more runways cuts pollution as planes can take off and land when ready. The problem is the capacity has been over specified by gutless politicians who think having a runway at 98.5% use is more acceptable than building an extra and operating each at 90%. Remember they have decided that congestion is acceptable by allowing Nats to try and cram as much on as possible regardless of the pollution side effect. The argument that building a runway creates demand is false, people don't suddenly do more trips, the trips will happen anyway, but probably just moving the problem around and another airport will get more flights. My own feeling is they should open a new runway at both LHR and LGW, consider night time curbs, and possibly have a shorter (about 2000m) take off strip heading north alongside the m25 for smaller planes (reached by a bridge over m4). Ever since the plans for a nine runway Heathrow were published 70 years ago, it has been known that expansion to the north of current Heathrow perimeter was going to happen one day. Oddly there isn't a pollution monitoring site at Heathrow, it is away from the airport by a couple of congested roads, it would be easy to have a roads ULEZ like the proposed central London one, but realistically by 2020 at least half the traffic will be euro6 emissions, any data used in report would be months old when plenty of euro3 or earlier traffic still existed. The sooner the bulldozers start the better. If I was the airport Operator I would be quietly offering a bonus (until end Sept) to each homeowner (over the 25% extra) and buying every bit of land before Christmas to avoid protracted legal disputes |
|
|
|
Post by rmz19 on Jul 5, 2015 18:58:27 GMT
However, building a third runway at Heathrow increases noise and air pollution with the increase stretching into South East London and would thus be at illegal levels if the runway was built. I really don't understand why people think leaving Gatwick and other airports as it is such a good idea - the wealth needs to be spread around rather than concentrated at one bloated airport and then what happens when capacity gets used up should the horrifying idea of a third runway be constructed - a fourth runway and then a fifth - where will it end. The previous post was more accurate, it is not only queuing to land which causes noise (away from Heathrow), it is the queues to take off, making noise, wasting fuel, thus increasing pollution. The reason is the planes are held in groups, single aisle, mid size, and heavies (at various entrances to the runway) this allows higher use as separation times can be less. Having more runways cuts pollution as planes can take off and land when ready. The problem is the capacity has been over specified by gutless politicians who think having a runway at 98.5% use is more acceptable than building an extra and operating each at 90%. Remember they have decided that congestion is acceptable by allowing Nats to try and cram as much on as possible regardless of the pollution side effect. The argument that building a runway creates demand is false, people don't suddenly do more trips, the trips will happen anyway, but probably just moving the problem around and another airport will get more flights. Precisely, having a third runway will at least disperse planes taking off and landing, thus evening out traffic flow respectively. It won't be a sudden and drastic change, but many of the factors such as noise, air pollution, delays and fuel consumption will have a positive change to an extent. Other factors that I think prioritise LHR over LGW is proximity and transport, Heathrow is more desirable as it's situated in London i.e. within the M25 boundary, Crossrail will soon serve Heathrow and the existing transport links justify the decision for Heathrow to gain a third runway. |
|
|
|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 25, 2016 9:43:16 GMT
Some very good news just in  Heathrow has been given the green light to expand |
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 25, 2016 10:09:37 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Good news if you: a) don't live in Sipson or Harmondsworth and are going to lose your home b) don't live under the extended flight path of noise which will go as far as Beckenham Junction and affects me Absolutely silly decision to carry on neglecting Gatwick especially when many people I know would rather that airport got another runway instead. So I suppose Heathrow will ask for a fourth runway in a few years time..... |
|
|
|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 25, 2016 10:17:04 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Absolutely silly decision to carry on neglecting Gatwick especially when many people I know would rather that airport got another runway instead. So I suppose Heathrow will ask for a fourth runway in a few years time..... However most airlines would prefer to use Heathrow due to its close proximity to the city, even EasyJet who operate out of Gatwick and are their biggest airline said they'd prefer an expansion at Heathrow. It's pointless expanding an airport when no airlines are going to be interested to fly out of it. I feel in order to compete with other European airports such as Charles de Gaulle and Frankfurt Heathrow expansion is vital. |
|
|
|
Post by John tuthill on Oct 25, 2016 10:22:52 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Good news if you: a) don't live in Sipson or Harmondsworth and are going to lose your home b) don't live under the extended flight path of noise which will go as far as Beckenham Junction and affects me Absolutely silly decision to carry on neglecting Gatwick especially when many people I know would rather that airport got another runway instead. So I suppose Heathrow will ask for a fourth runway in a few years time..... The cynic in me says there are more rich tories in the vicinity than there are in Harmonsworth  |
|
|
|
Post by 725DYE on Oct 25, 2016 11:17:59 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Considering the fact that a few weeks ago they had enforced a time expansion on this decision, interesting to see how a decision has already been made. IMO this was the best airport to expand, but the potential of people losing their homes is not a nice one... |
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Oct 25, 2016 11:52:13 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Not really a green light given the legal requirements on environmental matters have not been met. There are years, possibly a decade or more, of planning disputes and legal challenges ahead. Even if the scheme gets through all of that it will be years and years before construction is complete (assuming it is not plagued with protestors on the site) and the expanded airport is operational. If it's done in 20 years I'll be astonished. Oh and Zac Goldsmith has resigned as MP for Richmond Park thus worsening the Govt's majority in the house. And Bozza has pledged to continue his opposition. Lying MP Kwasi Kwarteng has suddenly had an attach of regret and won't be resigning. Clearly his nose is too stuck in the trough.  The Mayor of London has confirmed his opposition as has the London Assembly and we know at least 4 Tory led councils (Windsor & Maidenhead, Hillingdon, Richmond, Wandsworth) also oppose expansion. I don't really have a strong view either way. I just know we can't do aviation policy in this country with any semblance of logic. EDIT - seems I owe Mr Kwarteng an apology. He has always supported heathrow expansion. The foibles of believing social media comment and not double checking.  |
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 25, 2016 13:08:11 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Not really a green light given the legal requirements on environmental matters have not been met. There are years, possibly a decade or more, of planning disputes and legal challenges ahead. Even if the scheme gets through all of that it will be years and years before construction is complete (assuming it is not plagued with protestors on the site) and the expanded airport is operational. If it's done in 20 years I'll be astonished. Oh and Zac Goldsmith has resigned as MP for Richmond Park thus worsening the Govt's majority in the house. And Bozza has pledged to continue his opposition. Lying MP Kwasi Kwarteng has suddenly had an attach of regret and won't be resigning. Clearly his nose is too stuck in the trough. The Mayor of London has confirmed his opposition as has the London Assembly and we know at least 4 Tory led councils (Windsor & Maidenhead, Hillingdon, Richmond, Wandsworth) also oppose expansion. I don't really have a strong view either way. I just know we can't do aviation policy in this country with any semblance of logic. Labour led Hounslow may also join on board judging by reports online so good to see the council within the airport boundaries and the one just outside potentially both involved in attempting to block it. |
|
|
|
Post by John tuthill on Oct 25, 2016 13:29:39 GMT
Some very good news just in Heathrow has been given the green light to expand Not really a green light given the legal requirements on environmental matters have not been met. There are years, possibly a decade or more, of planning disputes and legal challenges ahead. Even if the scheme gets through all of that it will be years and years before construction is complete (assuming it is not plagued with protestors on the site) and the expanded airport is operational. If it's done in 20 years I'll be astonished. Oh and Zac Goldsmith has resigned as MP for Richmond Park thus worsening the Govt's majority in the house. And Bozza has pledged to continue his opposition. Lying MP Kwasi Kwarteng has suddenly had an attach of regret and won't be resigning. Clearly his nose is too stuck in the trough. And up his ar*e The Mayor of London has confirmed his opposition as has the London Assembly and we know at least 4 Tory led councils (Windsor & Maidenhead, Hillingdon, Richmond, Wandsworth) also oppose expansion. I don't really have a strong view either way. I just know we can't do aviation policy in this country with any semblance of logic. FIFU |
|
Heathrow has been given the green light to expand
