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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 13:27:53 GMT
manager don't look through cctv they have CCTV analyst who does the job, So they employ somebody just to look through CCTV? Sounds like a really fun job absolutely if you don't believe go and ask
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Post by DLA 365 on Jan 14, 2015 13:28:01 GMT
will i started driving buses in 2000 with stagecoach and left them in 2010 my basic pay was £500 minimum and 6 weeks holiday a year plus Lou days and around £400 Christmas bonus as well as the manager was very good and friendly and if you had an accident you will get told by manager to be careful next time and that was it unless off course the accident was serious same with complaints if it was not serious it would have gone to the bin, now my basic is £350 and 20 days holiday with no Christmas bonus and the managers are terrible, sand cctv are not good for example if you get complain or have an they will check the whole days cctv looking for other things u done so don't tell me about my statement not being true, i don't know who u worked for but it looks bad, 28 days holiday is the minimum legal entitlement so if you have 20 speak to your union! Some companies might still go by the old regulations which is 20 days annual leave + 8 bank holidays. It all works out to be the same in the end. But you are right, the contract should really specify 28 days including Bank Holidays which is the current regulation.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jan 14, 2015 14:28:36 GMT
Data protection does not allow them to watch you all day, they are only allowed to view the footage of the alleged incident. Date and time (obviously within reasonable parameters) but if your doing your job and not doing anything that would be justified as mis conduct, why would you worried about the cctv anyway. i am never worried but i have seen them discipline drivers because they have looked through cctv and found something else even so they suppose to look at the incident concerned only, He is right about managers pressurising drivers especially the new managers bringing in non fault accidents to disciplinary meetings. And it's foolish to think they won't look at a whole duties driving if you have an incident or anything I've heard of drivers getting sacked for incidents unrelated to the original accusation.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 14, 2015 14:31:23 GMT
manager don't look through cctv they have CCTV analyst who does the job, So they employ somebody just to look through CCTV? Sounds like a really fun job Every company holding personal data should have a designated data protection controller, who will have other responsibilities as well as dealing for requests for CCTV.
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Post by rambo on Jan 14, 2015 16:43:20 GMT
It's no good saying ' the union sold us out/did nothing' etc etc.
The union are only as strong as the drivers, and, sadly the drivers don't help themselves.
The drivers will moan and groan about stuff, but never do anything about it. IE, buses with no heaters, ive taken over loads of buses with no working heater, and the previous driver has NOT put it on the defect card or called it in.
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Post by jay38a on Jan 14, 2015 18:45:57 GMT
It's no good saying ' the union sold us out/did nothing' etc etc. The union are only as strong as the drivers, and, sadly the drivers don't help themselves. The drivers will moan and groan about stuff, but never do anything about it. IE, buses with no heaters, ive taken over loads of buses with no working heater, and the previous driver has NOT put it on the defect card or called it in. I get fed up with drivers who don't check left Scania mirrors on the Omnidekkas/Omnicties is secure. They have a habit of getting loose but the drivers don't bother checking them in the morning so I have to get engineers to come out and tighten it when I take a bus out on the road.
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Post by driveumad on Jan 14, 2015 19:21:29 GMT
It's no good saying ' the union sold us out/did nothing' etc etc. The union are only as strong as the drivers, and, sadly the drivers don't help themselves. The drivers will moan and groan about stuff, but never do anything about it. IE, buses with no heaters, ive taken over loads of buses with no working heater, and the previous driver has NOT put it on the defect card or called it in. I get fed up with drivers who don't check left Scania mirrors on the Omnidekkas/Omnicties is secure. They have a habit of getting loose but the drivers don't bother checking them in the morning so I have to get engineers to come out and tighten it when I take a bus out on the road. I'm guessing the previous drivers are just fed up with the wash loosening them and they report it but nothing gets done.
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Post by rambo on Jan 14, 2015 20:12:27 GMT
I get fed up with drivers who don't check left Scania mirrors on the Omnidekkas/Omnicties is secure. They have a habit of getting loose but the drivers don't bother checking them in the morning so I have to get engineers to come out and tighten it when I take a bus out on the road. I'm guessing the previous drivers are just fed up with the wash loosening them and they report it but nothing gets done. And there lies the problem................... If EVERY driver refused to drive a bus with a loose mirror, the company would soon do something about it.
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Post by jay38a on Jan 14, 2015 21:21:33 GMT
I'm guessing the previous drivers are just fed up with the wash loosening them and they report it but nothing gets done. And there lies the problem................... If EVERY driver refused to drive a bus with a loose mirror, the company would soon do something about it. If its in the depot il refuse to drive it until its tightened and i can see the rear of the 12m bus in the mirror or if i take on a bus towards Crystal Palace but if I take on a 358 going towards Orpington Station (its only 10 mins in each direction), il put up with it wobbling to and from the station but when i pass the depot on the way towards Crystal Palace, i wont proceed until the engineers have come out and tightened it.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 14, 2015 22:53:09 GMT
I get fed up with drivers who don't check left Scania mirrors on the Omnidekkas/Omnicties is secure. They have a habit of getting loose but the drivers don't bother checking them in the morning so I have to get engineers to come out and tighten it when I take a bus out on the road. I'm guessing the previous drivers are just fed up with the wash loosening them and they report it but nothing gets done. I'm not 100% certain but I think Brighton & Hove used to take the mirrors off before the bus entered the wash and then put them back on once finished in the wash.
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Post by jay38a on Jan 14, 2015 22:55:13 GMT
I'm guessing the previous drivers are just fed up with the wash loosening them and they report it but nothing gets done. I'm not 100% certain but I think Brighton & Hove used to take the mirrors off before the bus entered the wash and then put them back on once finished in the wash. Yes the Omnictiy/Omnidekka mirrors are taken off before they go into the wash, then at MB they are left in the bus for us to put back on in the morning.
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Post by sw11simon on Jan 15, 2015 6:27:23 GMT
So they employ somebody just to look through CCTV? Sounds like a really fun job absolutely if you don't believe go and ask Again Ryan, I'm afraid you understand things in simplistic terms. There are clerks working in accident prevention departments, but they support all parts of the department. To state that their job is SOLELY to look through CCTV is incorrect. If a driver is disciplined/ sacked due to CCTV unrelated to an accident/ complaint etc. it is against data prevention and any rep worth their role will successfully defend that. Again, if blameless accidents are brought into disciplines and used against a driver, the rep is very weak. If they are blameless this should not happen. But if true, whose opinion are you listening to judging blameless - I suspect the driver involved. You're getting a one sided version of the story. But your comments seem to radiate from canteen talk - so many stories like these go around and they tend to be exaggerated on one side. If the things you say are correct, you and your colleagues need to sort out a new rep asap!
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 15, 2015 7:29:41 GMT
A bit late mentioning now but last Tuesday around 4am, myself and another colleague were very curious and decided to see if there were any drivers out picketing and indeed there was. We also went past Metrobus/Go Ahead garage in Croydon and they were also picketing around that time. There were far drivers at this garage. I went again in around 6pm after watching some clips online with some of our drivers dancing away lol I was surprised to see two police vehicles parked up. I saw one of the senior staff drive a bus out from the garage to the main road and then he came out and went back inside the garage while another driver who was already inside the bus, took over the wheels and drove off. I also saw another driver take a bus out but he didn't need any help in doing so. Anyway, I then went past Arriva garage in South Croydon and I was surprised to see the whole place shut down which suggested to me that not one bus came out although there are reports here that there was some buses on the 403. There were many drivers picketing there also at TC. I like to think the strike went well enough for the bus companies to take notice and make sure things doesn't escalate again. Whether they do so is another matter but like I said before its no point just accepting that things will never change despite what happened in 1994 or in any other year. Even then if this strike would never increase our pay then maybe at least there would be some improvement in the way route contracts are accepted such as bus companies recruiting drivers via an agency, and paying those drivers around £8ph, which is always a worry for the more established drivers. Although, I believe those agency drivers will eventually be accepted onto the starter rate of £11 but only after they have worked for over a number of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 8:31:15 GMT
absolutely if you don't believe go and ask Again Ryan, I'm afraid you understand things in simplistic terms. There are clerks working in accident prevention departments, but they support all parts of the department. To state that their job is SOLELY to look through CCTV is incorrect. If a driver is disciplined/ sacked due to CCTV unrelated to an accident/ complaint etc. it is against data prevention and any rep worth their role will successfully defend that. Again, if blameless accidents are brought into disciplines and used against a driver, the rep is very weak. If they are blameless this should not happen. But if true, whose opinion are you listening to judging blameless - I suspect the driver involved. You're getting a one sided version of the story. But your comments seem to radiate from canteen talk - so many stories like these go around and they tend to be exaggerated on one side. If the things you say are correct, you and your colleagues need to sort out a new rep asap! it's not stories or canteen stories because I never use the canteen, at LI we had a CCTV analyst I don,t know if he was doing different job as well but that was his title and another member mentioned that when they check an incident they check the whole days duty so its not just me saying so don't tell me its not true,
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Post by greeny253 on Jan 15, 2015 10:06:36 GMT
Again Ryan, I'm afraid you understand things in simplistic terms. There are clerks working in accident prevention departments, but they support all parts of the department. To state that their job is SOLELY to look through CCTV is incorrect. If a driver is disciplined/ sacked due to CCTV unrelated to an accident/ complaint etc. it is against data prevention and any rep worth their role will successfully defend that. Again, if blameless accidents are brought into disciplines and used against a driver, the rep is very weak. If they are blameless this should not happen. But if true, whose opinion are you listening to judging blameless - I suspect the driver involved. You're getting a one sided version of the story. But your comments seem to radiate from canteen talk - so many stories like these go around and they tend to be exaggerated on one side. If the things you say are correct, you and your colleagues need to sort out a new rep asap! it's not stories or canteen stories because I never use the canteen, at LI we had a CCTV analyst I don,t know if he was doing different job as well but that was his title and another member mentioned that when they check an incident they check the whole days duty so its not just me saying so don't tell me its not true, Having seen on more than one occasion what comes back from CCTV I can assure you that the analyst will not be looking at a whole days duty. They simply wouldn't have the time. All the CCTV a analyst is interested in is what happened between X and Y in relation to a reported incident. For example, if a bus is involved in a collision at 10:05, the analyst will look at everything between 10:02 and 10:08 at best to allow for the small differences in clock settings but that's about it. Before I left the buses last year, I was involved in a collision caused by the other driver not looking and just pulling into my path. The CCTV a had maybe 5 minutes of useable footage but it showed that there was little I could do to avoid it given the space I didn't have. Finally, if your union rep is that bad it's time you called a vote of no confidence and got a new one. All I ever heard from West Ham drivers was how uselss they thought their union rep was but they never did anything about it.
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