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Post by snoggle on Jan 10, 2015 0:34:06 GMT
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Post by Nathan on Jan 10, 2015 6:39:05 GMT
10 extra buses for the 21 and 47?! That's 20 extra big vehicles causing more traffic in Lewisham...that's how I see it. 10 extra buses is a bit much, isn't it? Although I do wonder what buses will be used for the 21...PVLs? WVLs? Es even?
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Post by snoggle on Jan 10, 2015 10:40:27 GMT
10 extra buses for the 21 and 47?! That's 20 extra big vehicles causing more traffic in Lewisham...that's how I see it. 10 extra buses is a bit much, isn't it? Although I do wonder what buses will be used for the 21...PVLs? WVLs? Es even? Only the 47 is running in both directions and during the day. The 21 is PM peaks only from London Bridge so I imagine buses will run back light to London Bridge if they have a return working and have minimal stand time in Lewisham. I also suspect that the usage of these extras will be monitored very closely and if people don't use them as expected they'll be taken off. The one to really watch is the 381 - out of all of the extras I think that one is actually most needed but will people know to catch it given the minimal advance publicity about these extra buses? |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 10, 2015 10:41:06 GMT
My guess is that the 10 extra buses for those routes are catering for worst-case scenario's in passenger demands. If it's proven later on to be too many buses the pvrs may eventually reduce.
there was one example of the East London Line replacement service being withdrawn early due to under use.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 15:34:33 GMT
10 extra buses for the 21 and 47?! That's 20 extra big vehicles causing more traffic in Lewisham...that's how I see it. 10 extra buses is a bit much, isn't it? Although I do wonder what buses will be used for the 21...PVLs? WVLs? Es even? Only the 47 is running in both directions and during the day. The 21 is PM peaks only from London Bridge so I imagine buses will run back light to London Bridge if they have a return working and have minimal stand time in Lewisham. I also suspect that the usage of these extras will be monitored very closely and if people don't use them as expected they'll be taken off. The one to really watch is the 381 - out of all of the extras I think that one is actually most needed but will people know to catch it given the minimal advance publicity about these extra buses? South eastern trains have advertised the alternative routes... |
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Post by snowman on Jan 11, 2015 14:33:22 GMT
10 extra buses for the 21 and 47?! That's 20 extra big vehicles causing more traffic in Lewisham...that's how I see it. 10 extra buses is a bit much, isn't it? Although I do wonder what buses will be used for the 21...PVLs? WVLs? Es even? Only the 47 is running in both directions and during the day. The 21 is PM peaks only from London Bridge so I imagine buses will run back light to London Bridge if they have a return working and have minimal stand time in Lewisham. I also suspect that the usage of these extras will be monitored very closely and if people don't use them as expected they'll be taken off. The one to really watch is the 381 - out of all of the extras I think that one is actually most needed but will people know to catch it given the minimal advance publicity about these extra buses? If I'm reading it correctly the 381 extras only operate peak hours and as a London Bridge - Waterloo shuttle I suspect many will try the tube instead of the extra buses, (it will be rail travellers who have started their journey at commuter stations, many of which would not have seen any publicity), could easily see this being changed to try and match demand in a fortnight as it seems like a bad rush job. Maybe Abellio will put out some of its new 109 fleet for 381 at least until it gets the Tridents back from covering the loaned single decks |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 11, 2015 14:44:10 GMT
Only the 47 is running in both directions and during the day. The 21 is PM peaks only from London Bridge so I imagine buses will run back light to London Bridge if they have a return working and have minimal stand time in Lewisham. I also suspect that the usage of these extras will be monitored very closely and if people don't use them as expected they'll be taken off. The one to really watch is the 381 - out of all of the extras I think that one is actually most needed but will people know to catch it given the minimal advance publicity about these extra buses? If I'm reading it correctly the 381 extras only operate peak hours and as a London Bridge - Waterloo shuttle I suspect many will try the tube instead of the extra buses, (it will be rail travellers who have started their journey at commuter stations, many of which would not have seen any publicity), could easily see this being changed to try and match demand in a fortnight as it seems like a bad rush job. I agree people will try to use the tube but they will find the tube jammed to bursting point and possibly closed. Apparently there was a problem last week which shut Waterloo East so people tried to get the tube to London Bridge and Waterloo Tube had to shut because all the corridors and entrances jammed solid. If that happens on a daily basis then people need some sort of alternative and extra 381s make sense in that context. This also poses a risk for how the Tennison Way stops work because that subway link usually is full in the AM peak with people wanting buses. If the tube falls over then Tennison Way is likely to become unworkable too. What then? Let's hope people learn quickly about the extra 381s - NR season ticket holders (not Travelcards) are allowed to use the 381 between Waterloo and London Bridge as from tomorrow. The Jubilee Line is already horrifically overloaded in the peaks and is being asked to take more and more loading and I can't see how London Bridge, Waterloo and Canada Water (for the overground) can take the strain. Canada Water is also at bursting point on a normal peak day and from tomorrow will probably be at a critical state in the peaks. I agree usage of the buses will be closely monitored but let's hope some time is given to allow things to settle so people optimise their journeys properly. Deciding after a week would be daft - needs at least a month and then see how things are being used. |
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Post by sid on Jan 11, 2015 14:49:00 GMT
I assumed that the 381 extra's were mainly for the benefit of those arriving at Waterloo main (ie SWT) who would normally then use SET from Waterloo East to London Bridge?
It will probably be a bit of trial and error until journey patterns are established.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 11, 2015 15:27:54 GMT
Only the 47 is running in both directions and during the day. The 21 is PM peaks only from London Bridge so I imagine buses will run back light to London Bridge if they have a return working and have minimal stand time in Lewisham. I also suspect that the usage of these extras will be monitored very closely and if people don't use them as expected they'll be taken off. The one to really watch is the 381 - out of all of the extras I think that one is actually most needed but will people know to catch it given the minimal advance publicity about these extra buses? If I'm reading it correctly the 381 extras only operate peak hours and as a London Bridge - Waterloo shuttle I suspect many will try the tube instead of the extra buses, (it will be rail travellers who have started their journey at commuter stations, many of which would not have seen any publicity), could easily see this being changed to try and match demand in a fortnight as it seems like a bad rush job. Maybe Abellio will put out some of its new 109 fleet for 381 at least until it gets the Tridents back from covering the loaned single decks One Trident has already moved from BC to WL so I suspect that will be used. |
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Post by MoEnviro on Jan 12, 2015 18:27:35 GMT
Ensignbus where providing the extra's between Canada Water and Waterloo, buses this evening included - RM54 - LDS279A
- Ex Brighton & Hove 911 (Y861GCO)
- Ex Arriva London HW3 (508 LJ58AVK)
- 127 - WLT307
- Ex Brighton & Hove 912 (PK02RDO)
- RMC1485 - 485CLT
- 143 - X343NNO
- 192 - 392MBF
- Ex Wilts and Dorset 909 (T748JPO)
- RM25 - VLT25
Extra 21's - MEC7, PVL248, PVL66, PVL69 Extra 381's - 9751, Extra 47's - 17556, |
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Post by thesquirrels on Jan 12, 2015 19:58:13 GMT
Ensignbus where providing the extra's between Canada Water and Waterloo, buses this evening included - RM54 - LDS279A
- Ex Brighton & Hove 911 (Y861GCO)
- Ex Arriva London HW3 (508 LJ58AVK)
- 127 - WLT307
- Ex Brighton & Hove 912 (PK02RDO)
- RMC1485 - 485CLT
- 143 - X343NNO
- 192 - 392MBF
- Ex Wilts and Dorset 909 (T748JPO)
- RM25 - VLT25
Extra 21's - MEC7, PVL248, PVL66, PVL69 Extra 381's - 9751, Extra 47's - 17556, Also clocked DM2646 and an unidentified RMC? parked up on the Embankment around lunchtime. Whether or not they were involved I don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 20:31:10 GMT
Am I right in assuming these extras will run tomorrow despite the strike - Well the Ensign and commercial GAL ones at least?
If so these services could well end up extremely overloaded with other buses not running.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2015 21:34:42 GMT
Am I right in assuming these extras will run tomorrow despite the strike - Well the Ensign and commercial GAL ones at least? If so these services could well end up extremely overloaded with other buses not running. Apparently, they are and may only run this week as the extras were apparently not well used today at all. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2015 21:37:13 GMT
Ensignbus where providing the extra's between Canada Water and Waterloo, buses this evening included - RM54 - LDS279A
- Ex Brighton & Hove 911 (Y861GCO)
- Ex Arriva London HW3 (508 LJ58AVK)
- 127 - WLT307
- Ex Brighton & Hove 912 (PK02RDO)
- RMC1485 - 485CLT
- 143 - X343NNO
- 192 - 392MBF
- Ex Wilts and Dorset 909 (T748JPO)
- RM25 - VLT25
Extra 21's - MEC7, PVL248, PVL66, PVL69 Extra 381's - 9751, Extra 47's - 17556, Also clocked DM2646 and an unidentified RMC? parked up on the Embankment around lunchtime. Whether or not they were involved I don't know. DM2646 was out at one point - I rode that at the Ensignbus running day last year and it was hideously slow and sounded slightly rough. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 12, 2015 21:54:14 GMT
I am not surprised that these werent well used. What happened to the 30 extra buses on the 3 routes as per above?
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