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Post by Nathan on Feb 1, 2015 21:13:41 GMT
I know this is going to sound like a newbie question, but I was wondering why some of the early Euro III batches sound different from each other.
For example, the London United's 51-plate TAs sound similar to the ex-Armchair 52-plates but yet LUs 02-plates sound different to both the previous examples I just gave. Isn't this a little weird, given that these batch of buses were produced after '51 and before '52?
Another weird example is how the ex-Connex 51-plates sound completely different to the 51-plates LU have. There's many other examples I can give. But don't get me started on Stagecoach's Tridents. They're in league of their own!
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Post by vjaska on Feb 1, 2015 23:21:51 GMT
I know this is going to sound like a newbie question, but I was wondering why some of the early Euro III batches sound different from each other. For example, the London United's 51-plate TAs sound similar to the ex-Armchair 52-plates but yet LUs 02-plates sound different to both the previous examples I just gave. Isn't this a little weird, given that these batch of buses were produced after '51 and before '52? Another weird example is how the ex-Connex 51-plates sound completely different to the 51-plates LU have. There's many other examples I can give. But don't get me started on Stagecoach's Tridents. They're in league of their own! With Stagecoach Tridents, it was that the V reg sounded different to the T, X, Y & 51 reg Voith Tridents. The rest is straight forward - all the 4 spd Voith Euro III Tridents sound similar and all the 3 spd Voith Euro III Tridents sound similar. |
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Post by Nathan on Feb 2, 2015 10:05:17 GMT
I know this is going to sound like a newbie question, but I was wondering why some of the early Euro III batches sound different from each other. For example, the London United's 51-plate TAs sound similar to the ex-Armchair 52-plates but yet LUs 02-plates sound different to both the previous examples I just gave. Isn't this a little weird, given that these batch of buses were produced after '51 and before '52? Another weird example is how the ex-Connex 51-plates sound completely different to the 51-plates LU have. There's many other examples I can give. But don't get me started on Stagecoach's Tridents. They're in league of their own! With Stagecoach Tridents, it was that the V reg sounded different to the T, X, Y & 51 reg Voith Tridents. The rest is straight forward - all the 4 spd Voith Euro III Tridents sound similar and all the 3 spd Voith Euro III Tridents sound similar. But what about Euro III ZF Tridents? Like I said, the LU 51-plates and Armchair's 52-plates sound pretty much the same, but the 02-plates LU have sound somewhat quieter. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 2, 2015 10:08:59 GMT
With Stagecoach Tridents, it was that the V reg sounded different to the T, X, Y & 51 reg Voith Tridents. The rest is straight forward - all the 4 spd Voith Euro III Tridents sound similar and all the 3 spd Voith Euro III Tridents sound similar. But what about Euro III ZF Tridents? Like I said, the LU 51-plates and Armchair's 52-plates sound pretty much the same, but the 02-plates LU have sound somewhat quieter. In that response, I was merely on about Stagecoach Tridents - I'm awaiting someone else to give the answer as I'm interested to know how that is as well. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 2, 2015 14:14:22 GMT
I tried asking an engineer at FW, but they couldn't offer a reason as to why the 51 platers sound different to the 03 platers that were there. Apparently they all use the same components.
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 2, 2015 18:04:58 GMT
Remember operators will tend to use different gearboxes which will make them sound different.
Also i suspect different engine factors come into why they sound different as back then i know with darts there were the ISBE and BT.
[edit] another example is Metrobus' 51 plated Lolynes which were on ZF gearbox and Stagecoach's 51 plated were also ZF gearbox but seemed to sound different.
It seems the Euro 3 engine came in around 2002
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Post by romfordbuses on Feb 2, 2015 18:16:13 GMT
Not to mention different bodies comes into it...
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Post by vjaska on Feb 2, 2015 19:10:08 GMT
Remember operators will tend to use different gearboxes which will make them sound different. Also i suspect different engine factors come into why they sound different as back then i know with darts there were the ISBE and BT. [edit] another example is Metrobus' 51 plated Lolynes which were on ZF gearbox and Stagecoach's 51 plated were also ZF gearbox but seemed to sound different. It seems the Euro 3 engine came in around 2002 Metrobus 51 reg Lolynes are Euro III whilst Stagecoach's 51 reg ALX400's are Euro II so that's something you can't compare really. |
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Post by Trident on Feb 2, 2015 19:14:19 GMT
Remember operators will tend to use different gearboxes which will make them sound different. Also i suspect different engine factors come into why they sound different as back then i know with darts there were the ISBE and BT. [edit] another example is Metrobus' 51 plated Lolynes which were on ZF gearbox and Stagecoach's 51 plated were also ZF gearbox but seemed to sound different. It seems the Euro 3 engine came in around 2002 Metrobus 51 reg Lolynes are Euro III whilst Stagecoach's 51 reg ALX400's are Euro II so that's something you can't compare really. Not all 51 reg Tridents at Stagecoach were Euro 2, there's some that came on Euro 3. |
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Post by Nathan on Feb 2, 2015 20:13:48 GMT
Remember operators will tend to use different gearboxes which will make them sound different. Also i suspect different engine factors come into why they sound different as back then i know with darts there were the ISBE and BT. [edit] another example is Metrobus' 51 plated Lolynes which were on ZF gearbox and Stagecoach's 51 plated were also ZF gearbox but seemed to sound different. It seems the Euro 3 engine came in around 2002 Metrobus 51 reg Lolynes are Euro III whilst Stagecoach's 51 reg ALX400's are Euro II so that's something you can't compare really. I'm pretty sure there were a few Euro III 51-plates Stagecoach had. I remember riding one on the 55 a couple of years ago. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 2, 2015 20:56:42 GMT
Metrobus 51 reg Lolynes are Euro III whilst Stagecoach's 51 reg ALX400's are Euro II so that's something you can't compare really. Not all 51 reg Tridents at Stagecoach were Euro 2, there's some that came on Euro 3. Fair enough, I thought they were just 02 reg ones - even then, my original point still stands as those Stagecoach Euro III ZF's sound just like other Euro III ZF's. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 3, 2015 9:30:18 GMT
17359-401 were Euro 2 4 speed ZF
17403-442 were Euro 2 5 speed ZF
17443-508 were Euro 2 3 speed Voith
17509-522 or 523 were Euro 3 5 speed ZF
The remaining gasket glazed 51 platers were 3 speed Voith.
17403-442 were a unique batch within London - the gearbox sounded the same as that used in Euro 3 Tridents.
The early Euro 3 Tridents sounded pretty standard to me. 17515 was retrofitted with a Euro 4 engine, making it sound a little more Enviro like.
London United's X and 51 plate Tridents all had/have a more rugged engine note than normal. TA202 was unique, being Euro 2 with the 4 speed gearbox found in Euro 3 buses. TA203 sounded identical to the V reg Tridents at Connex.
Many Euro 2/3 ZF Tridents have come and gone without me remembering much about them. Of note were the V plate Tridents at Blue Triangle. Similar engine note to the Connex Tridents, but smoother sounding.
First's Euro 2 Tridents TN/TNL801-999 all sounded normal, perhaps a bit uninspiring to me. Along with the Connex and Stagecoach Y plate 4 speeders. Can't remember which engine tone the Metrobus T/V plate Lolynes had.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 3, 2015 10:08:32 GMT
17359-401 were Euro 2 4 speed ZF 17403-442 were Euro 2 5 speed ZF 17443-508 were Euro 2 3 speed Voith 17509-522 or 523 were Euro 3 5 speed ZF The remaining gasket glazed 51 platers were 3 speed Voith. 17403-442 were a unique batch within London - the gearbox sounded the same as that used in Euro 3 Tridents. The early Euro 3 Tridents sounded pretty standard to me. 17515 was retrofitted with a Euro 4 engine, making it sound a little more Enviro like. London United's X and 51 plate Tridents all had/have a more rugged engine note than normal. TA202 was unique, being Euro 2 with the 4 speed gearbox found in Euro 3 buses. TA203 sounded identical to the V reg Tridents at Connex. Many Euro 2/3 ZF Tridents have come and gone without me remembering much about them. Of note were the V plate Tridents at Blue Triangle. Similar engine note to the Connex Tridents, but smoother sounding. First's Euro 2 Tridents TN/TNL801-999 all sounded normal, perhaps a bit uninspiring to me. Along with the Connex and Stagecoach Y plate 4 speeders. Can't remember which engine tone the Metrobus T/V plate Lolynes had. The T & V reg Metrobus Lolynes had a smooth engine tone, similar to the Connex Y reg Tridents. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2015 20:16:30 GMT
I know this is going to sound like a newbie question, but I was wondering why some of the early Euro III batches sound different from each other. For example, the London United's 51-plate TAs sound similar to the ex-Armchair 52-plates but yet LUs 02-plates sound different to both the previous examples I just gave. Isn't this a little weird, given that these batch of buses were produced after '51 and before '52? Another weird example is how the ex-Connex 51-plates sound completely different to the 51-plates LU have. There's many other examples I can give. But don't get me started on Stagecoach's Tridents. They're in league of their own! The gearbox and slightly different exhaust systems is what makes them sound different. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2015 20:23:20 GMT
17359-401 were Euro 2 4 speed ZF 17403-442 were Euro 2 5 speed ZF 17443-508 were Euro 2 3 speed Voith 17509-522 or 523 were Euro 3 5 speed ZF The remaining gasket glazed 51 platers were 3 speed Voith. 17403-442 were a unique batch within London - the gearbox sounded the same as that used in Euro 3 Tridents. The early Euro 3 Tridents sounded pretty standard to me. 17515 was retrofitted with a Euro 4 engine, making it sound a little more Enviro like. London United's X and 51 plate Tridents all had/have a more rugged engine note than normal. TA202 was unique, being Euro 2 with the 4 speed gearbox found in Euro 3 buses. TA203 sounded identical to the V reg Tridents at Connex. Many Euro 2/3 ZF Tridents have come and gone without me remembering much about them. Of note were the V plate Tridents at Blue Triangle. Similar engine note to the Connex Tridents, but smoother sounding. First's Euro 2 Tridents TN/TNL801-999 all sounded normal, perhaps a bit uninspiring to me. Along with the Connex and Stagecoach Y plate 4 speeders. Can't remember which engine tone the Metrobus T/V plate Lolynes had. That list of TA509-523 does not seem right. I am sure they were 4 speed ZF. I would have to check the list I have somewhere of them. |
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