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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 9:12:45 GMT
oh no. not other six months hell for people who face it. I wouldn't be too surprised if Govia were to win the new franchise. Obviously it all boils down to what the DfT demand and how bidders respond but being the incumbent gives companies a level of advantage. It's 2 years until the new franchise starts and a lot can happen between now and then. I really don't see it matters who runs what anymore. I've asked time and time again for earlier trains on SE Metro services on Sundays so shift workers can get in. Usual babble in response. Last week trains were missing out stops without even telling customers on board. Chaos ! |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 6, 2017 13:18:14 GMT
I wouldn't be too surprised if Govia were to win the new franchise. Obviously it all boils down to what the DfT demand and how bidders respond but being the incumbent gives companies a level of advantage. It's 2 years until the new franchise starts and a lot can happen between now and then. I really don't see it matters who runs what anymore. I've asked time and time again for earlier trains on SE Metro services on Sundays so shift workers can get in. Usual babble in response. Last week trains were missing out stops without even telling customers on board. Chaos ! Well I think the operator can make a difference as some will come with a different viewpoint. Yes they all want to make a financial return but I feel that MTR (from HK) are better grounded on things like asset management and high standards of customer service which is why the reliability of old class 315 trains has been pushed up on the line to Shenfield. Also why, before the contract changed, Overground achieved big increases (after a dire start) on class 317 EMUs on route out of Liv St (source - Modern Railways). I don't think anyone would really support Govia's performance on S Eastern - it's long been a case of "do minimum" and hope no one in authority notices. Part of the problem with early Sunday trains is that Network Rail have blocks of engineering hours for track inspection, smaller repairs etc. It can't really surrender those blocks because it will breach its safety obligations to ensure the tracks etc are safe. Parts of the Overground have the same issue with a late Sunday start. It may be possible to reduce hours if there is substantial investment on the tracks to raise asset life and to allow more efficient inspection subsequently. I understand a *lot* of work is needed on some lines on South Eastern as work has been postponed while the huge works at London Bridge are done to avoid too much disruption. Tracks are still safe but they do need action to replace bridges, ballast, tracks etc etc to bring them to fully modern standards. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 6, 2017 13:22:33 GMT
oh no. not other six months hell for people who face it. I always think myself lucky that my regular commute is SET, then SWT, rather than Southern. Southeastern aren't great, but compared to Southern, they're amazing... |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 14, 2017 13:13:43 GMT
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2017 17:33:19 GMT
The DfT consultation on the future scope of the South Eastern franchise has been extended to 30 June. Today was supposed to be the last day.
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Post by dalek209 on Jun 6, 2017 19:27:18 GMT
Yes i work for southeastern myself
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 6, 2017 19:33:30 GMT
Yes i work for southeastern myself Wrong thread?? |
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Post by dalek209 on Jun 6, 2017 19:40:46 GMT
No just saying i work for south eastern trains. So can comment about anything mentioned abot them in this thread
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Post by snoggle on Jun 22, 2017 9:50:37 GMT
the Dft have announced the short listed companies for the new franchise. Quite a lot of competition here but I wonder how many will actually bid.
South Eastern Holdings Ltd, a joint venture company that on franchise award will be wholly owned by Abellio Transport Group Ltd and East Japan Railway Company and Mitsui & Co Ltd
London and South East Passenger Rail Services Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Govia Ltd
Stagecoach South Eastern Trains Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Stagecoach Group plc
Trenitalia UK Ltd, wholly owned by Trenitalia SpA
So it's basically the Company that runs Greater Anglia vs GOVIA who run SE today vs those chaps who run SWT vs those who've just bought C2C. A fair bit of commuter and longer distance experience there but with mixed levels of experience of High Speed services. Trenitialia run lots of HS services in Italy of course.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 22, 2017 10:07:14 GMT
the Dft have announced the short listed companies for the new franchise. Quite a lot of competition here but I wonder how many will actually bid. South Eastern Holdings Ltd, a joint venture company that on franchise award will be wholly owned by Abellio Transport Group Ltd and East Japan Railway Company and Mitsui & Co Ltd London and South East Passenger Rail Services Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Govia Ltd Stagecoach South Eastern Trains Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Stagecoach Group plc Trenitalia UK Ltd, wholly owned by Trenitalia SpA So it's basically the Company that runs Greater Anglia vs GOVIA who run SE today vs those chaps who run SWT vs those who've just bought C2C. A fair bit of commuter and longer distance experience there but with mixed levels of experience of High Speed services. Trenitialia run lots of HS services in Italy of course. That's some interesting competition I have to say. It's interesting but expected to see Trenitalia diving into bidding with their latest West Coast bid as well. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 22, 2017 10:21:02 GMT
the Dft have announced the short listed companies for the new franchise. Quite a lot of competition here but I wonder how many will actually bid. South Eastern Holdings Ltd, a joint venture company that on franchise award will be wholly owned by Abellio Transport Group Ltd and East Japan Railway Company and Mitsui & Co Ltd London and South East Passenger Rail Services Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Govia Ltd Stagecoach South Eastern Trains Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Stagecoach Group plc Trenitalia UK Ltd, wholly owned by Trenitalia SpA So it's basically the Company that runs Greater Anglia vs GOVIA who run SE today vs those chaps who run SWT vs those who've just bought C2C. A fair bit of commuter and longer distance experience there but with mixed levels of experience of High Speed services. Trenitialia run lots of HS services in Italy of course. That's some interesting competition I have to say. It's interesting but expected to see Trenitalia diving into bidding with their latest West Coast bid as well. Would be quite fun to let the Japanese lose on South Eastern. Could do wonders for reliability especially with Mr Grayling's "let's all work as a nice cuddly team" idea meaning Network Rail have to be more closely involved. "You must install three levels of redudancy in your signalling system". "We don't do that in the UK". "We do in Japan, our railway works better than yours. We have close to zero breakdowns. You break down all the time".   I think the need for multi disciplinary consortia for the West Coast Partnership may have killed off Trenitialia, RENFE and any interest from Korea. |
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Post by T.R. on Jun 22, 2017 10:24:46 GMT
I can Stagecoach taking a big shot at this to make up for the SWT loss.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 22, 2017 11:01:34 GMT
I can Stagecoach taking a big shot at this to make up for the SWT loss. I agree. Whether the DfT will like it is another issue - Stagecoach have been pretty argumentative and threatened legal action when running SWT. I suspect DfT are pleased to see the back of them on SWT. However if Stagecoach could do the same with South Eastern as they've done with SWT then passengers may not actually mind overly much although fares would go up! I know people moan about every commuter service in London and SE but Stagecoach seem to have grown patronage very well, are good at train maintenance, knocked the timetable into shape (at the cost of slower journeys) and generally keep things ship shape. Could always be better but it's nothing like the hell hole that is South Eastern in Greater London - the "feel" is entirely different between the two operations. I use these services infrequently enough to be able to spot the differences pretty clearly. |
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Post by TNL33036 on Jun 22, 2017 12:10:53 GMT
I wonder what Abellio's bid is centred on, replacing the entire fleet like they have set out to do on Greater Anglia? Time will tell I guess....
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Post by snoggle on Jun 22, 2017 12:42:33 GMT
I wonder what Abellio's bid is centred on, replacing the entire fleet like they have set out to do on Greater Anglia? Time will tell I guess.... Depends entirely on what the DfT finalise in the ITT. If they set dwell time and crowding parameters that make the Networkers obsolete then you may get fleet replacement. However I do not see the 375s and the HS1 Javelins going anywhere. They'll be kept. There may be scope to get rid of any temporary infill fleets from elsewhere - I've lost track of what was supposed to go to SET and what, if anything, actually got there off the back of Thameslink cascades. You have to hope that the DfT have actually revised their demand projections and relooked at housing development. The consultation document was badly flawed in this respect and if you get a TOC that is capable of getting "bums on seats" then a threadbare ITT and low service levels could cause utter chaos in only 2-3 years with trains so full that people cannot board. Let's face it - there is certainly scope to get South Eastern a lot lot better than it currently is for suburban services. I've not used their long distance trains in decades, barring a little ride on HS1 when it launched (luckily I was on hols when it started) and a more recent short hop to Bromley South (that was overcrowed and late!). |
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