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Post by vjaska on Aug 2, 2023 11:41:53 GMT
The Bromley North line is just waiting to be taken over by either the Bakerloo, DLR or Croydon Tramlink, the latter being the only real possible option, as the line is in the wrong side for it to be taken over by either the Bakerloo or DLR. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they made this line peak hour only and no weekend service, Bromley South is obviously the more popular station, and the 261 pretty much parallels the Bromley North Line. Since Lewisham would be underground if/when the Bakerloo gets extended, could it not just continue underground to emerge slightly north of Grove Park, therefore being in the right place to take over the Bromley North branch? I’m only guessing but I suspect cost would be the issue here compared to simply running it above ground, potentially maybe finding the space for a tunnel portal as well
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Post by greenboy on Aug 2, 2023 12:07:51 GMT
The Bromley North line is just waiting to be taken over by either the Bakerloo, DLR or Croydon Tramlink, the latter being the only real possible option, as the line is in the wrong side for it to be taken over by either the Bakerloo or DLR. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they made this line peak hour only and no weekend service, Bromley South is obviously the more popular station, and the 261 pretty much parallels the Bromley North Line. Since Lewisham would be underground if/when the Bakerloo gets extended, could it not just continue underground to emerge slightly north of Grove Park, therefore being in the right place to take over the Bromley North branch? Via Catford with one branch to Hayes and Beckenham Junction and the other branch underground to Grove Park and onto Bromley North as suggested in the video?
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Post by rif153 on Aug 2, 2023 12:24:35 GMT
The Bromley North line is just waiting to be taken over by either the Bakerloo, DLR or Croydon Tramlink, the latter being the only real possible option, as the line is in the wrong side for it to be taken over by either the Bakerloo or DLR. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they made this line peak hour only and no weekend service, Bromley South is obviously the more popular station, and the 261 pretty much parallels the Bromley North Line. I think Bromley North is the best way to get the Bakerloo line into Bromley town centre but it would require tunnelling from Lewisham to Grove Park, it seems a lot more sensible than trying to squeeze trains down the main line from Beckenham Junction. That branch is in a sorry state and direct tube trains to Central London would be the best way by far to revive it.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 2, 2023 12:31:40 GMT
The Bromley North line is just waiting to be taken over by either the Bakerloo, DLR or Croydon Tramlink, the latter being the only real possible option, as the line is in the wrong side for it to be taken over by either the Bakerloo or DLR. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they made this line peak hour only and no weekend service, Bromley South is obviously the more popular station, and the 261 pretty much parallels the Bromley North Line. I think Bromley North is the best way to get the Bakerloo line into Bromley town centre but it would require tunnelling from Lewisham to Grove Park, it seems a lot more sensible than trying to squeeze trains down the main line from Beckenham Junction. That branch is in a sorry state and direct tube trains to Central London would be the best way by far to revive it. Or just close it down. Use the savings to increase the 261 from 5 to 6 bph and co-ordinate with the 126. Job done.
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 2, 2023 13:34:15 GMT
I think Bromley North is the best way to get the Bakerloo line into Bromley town centre but it would require tunnelling from Lewisham to Grove Park, it seems a lot more sensible than trying to squeeze trains down the main line from Beckenham Junction. That branch is in a sorry state and direct tube trains to Central London would be the best way by far to revive it. Or just close it down. Use the savings to increase the 261 from 5 to 6 bph and co-ordinate with the 126. Job done. Closing down a rail line will lead to more costs than delivering the benefits. These involve a consultation process, risk assessments as well approval from the ORR which can involve lengthy schedules all the operater has to take into. The main reason for the low usage on the Bromley North Line is due to its low half-hourly frequency. Their used to be a 15 minute service in the peaks pre-covid, but has sadly been cut post- pandemic from DfT pressures for savings. Not all branches are of low usage, the Northern Mill Hill East branch was well during the shuttle service to Finchley Central, being a 4tph service was operating.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 2, 2023 13:36:06 GMT
I think Bromley North is the best way to get the Bakerloo line into Bromley town centre but it would require tunnelling from Lewisham to Grove Park, it seems a lot more sensible than trying to squeeze trains down the main line from Beckenham Junction. That branch is in a sorry state and direct tube trains to Central London would be the best way by far to revive it. Or just close it down. Use the savings to increase the 261 from 5 to 6 bph and co-ordinate with the 126. Job done. Or convert it to a busway and extend the X239 to Bromley?
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Post by TB123 on Aug 2, 2023 13:43:06 GMT
Or just close it down. Use the savings to increase the 261 from 5 to 6 bph and co-ordinate with the 126. Job done. Or convert it to a busway and extend the X239 to Bromley? Sounds good to me.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 12, 2023 19:15:57 GMT
I had to use Southeastern trains over the last few days. I must say as an east Londoner the network seems pretty complex where you can end up catching a train that started off in Central London then you can change trains at Dartford to end up on another train for onward connection that's heading back into central London
Some of the rolling stock seems a bit dated but that might be more the interior colour scheme.
On a related note trains on the Elizabeth are pretty much full to Abbey Wood much the same as weekends.
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Post by rift on Sept 14, 2023 17:45:34 GMT
I had to use Southeastern trains over the last few days. I must say as an east Londoner the network seems pretty complex where you can end up catching a train that started off in Central London then you can change trains at Dartford to end up on another train for onward connection that's heading back into central London
Some of the rolling stock seems a bit dated but that might be more the interior colour scheme.
On a related note trains on the Elizabeth are pretty much full to Abbey Wood much the same as weekends.
Sorry for your loss. The interior is really poor on the Networkers, seats coming off and floors bobbling everywhere. The 376’s still have their Connex interior, but have held it down slightly better than their co-defendants. Since covid, services have been reduced significantly. Greenwich used to have a service every 10 minutes when combined with Thameslink, now it’s basically a 25 minute wait if you miss both of them as they come minutes apart.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 14, 2023 19:13:03 GMT
I had to use Southeastern trains over the last few days. I must say as an east Londoner the network seems pretty complex where you can end up catching a train that started off in Central London then you can change trains at Dartford to end up on another train for onward connection that's heading back into central London Some of the rolling stock seems a bit dated but that might be more the interior colour scheme. On a related note trains on the Elizabeth are pretty much full to Abbey Wood much the same as weekends.
Sorry for your loss. The interior is really poor on the Networkers, seats coming off and floors bobbling everywhere. The 376’s still have their Connex interior, but have held it down slightly better than their co-defendants. Since covid, services have been reduced significantly. Greenwich used to have a service every 10 minutes when combined with Thameslink, now it’s basically a 25 minute wait if you miss both of them as they come minutes apart. The 376s are imo just as worn out as the Networkers, with threadbare hard seating, dim lights and a general uncared for air. There was a refurbishment plan for the 376s, but it seems it will have to wait until the Javelin 395s are refurbished.
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Post by route53 on Sept 14, 2023 21:05:28 GMT
Southeastern are a joke, being in Charlton and too far west of the Liz Line I use the Jubilee line now and have done since they mucked around with the timetable.
The trains are unclean and neglected, the whole railway has been in perpetual managed decline since the mid 2000s.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2023 22:46:44 GMT
Sorry for your loss. The interior is really poor on the Networkers, seats coming off and floors bobbling everywhere. The 376’s still have their Connex interior, but have held it down slightly better than their co-defendants. Since covid, services have been reduced significantly. Greenwich used to have a service every 10 minutes when combined with Thameslink, now it’s basically a 25 minute wait if you miss both of them as they come minutes apart. The 376s are imo just as worn out as the Networkers, with threadbare hard seating, dim lights and a general uncared for air. There was a refurbishment plan for the 376s, but it seems it will have to wait until the Javelin 395s are refurbished. The 376’s are probably the worst train I’ve used since the days of Thameslink and it’s worn out 319’s that were not cared for at all (sounds like Northern have actually done a better job with them). The interior is absolutely dreadful and an insult to anyone using it. For me, despite their age, I still prefer using the 465’s thought it does seem that the 377’s & 375’s are actually cared for and I believe are currently going through the process of having sockets fitted
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Post by greenboy on Oct 10, 2023 15:00:12 GMT
I was surprised to see a three coach 375 on the Maidstone East to Charing Cross service earlier and to compound matters further the Ashford to Victoria services before and after it were both cancelled so it got pretty busy. Broken down train at Charing...
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 14, 2023 18:03:25 GMT
Southeastern Railway services will not operate between Denmark Hill or Herne Hill and Victoria from Saturday 23rd December through to Monday 1st January. Trains will be diverted instead to Blackfriars, Cannon Street or Charing Cross.
During the closure a busy and critical junction between Clapham and Wandsworth will be rebuilt, including replacing fourteen sets of switches and crossings, and relaying about a mile of track work and conductor rail including reballasting and sleepers. Work will also take place on a new signalling system which will be commissioned next year.
The closure will also affect London Overground, with rail replacement buses operating between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction.
The lines will also be closed over the weekends of 16/17 December, 6/7 January and 13/14 January.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 13, 2023 18:52:17 GMT
Shortlands is the latest Southeastern station to be given step-free access from street to platform level. The existing subway and stairs to platform level will remain in use for people not needing step-free access. This will take the form of a new overbridge with lift access, which has aroused some opposition locally as the structure will stand above the existing station buildings. An alternative proposal to link lifts to the existing subway was made in 2017 but not carried out. This would have been considerably more expensive to construct and might have involved station closures whilst the work took place. Work on the new footbridge is due to commence at the end of January 2024 and last until Spring 2025. The station will remain open throughout. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/shortlands-station-set-to-get-step-free-access-with-new-lifts-and-footbridge-68124/
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