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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2024 1:31:39 GMT
I wouldn’t think there would be any benefit by changing at Brixton for the Victoria Line? Where you can just stay on the train and change at Victoria. But Brixton is a big area, with excellent bus connection, but also has an average National Rail service. I said on here before but money should be spent on Brixton and build 4 extra platforms so that London Overground and South Eastern Dartford trains can make an additional stop. Catching a train a short distance between Lewisham/Peckham Rye and Brixton would be very beneficial. So with a Labour Government now and a Labour Mayor this might get some traction. Your preaching not just to the choir but someone who lives in Brixton and would make full use of such an upgrade - the national rail station is an after thought and opening up rail links heading east would be beneficial and could take pressure off both the 37 & P4 (345 less so) which carry the burden. I only use Brixton really if I'm heading to Bromley otherwise I use Tulse Hill for all my connections whether that be east or south. They did have land where Sports Direct is but I'm not sure if TfL still own that land anymore or not
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Post by Whitherminter on Jul 8, 2024 10:37:46 GMT
I wouldn’t think there would be any benefit by changing at Brixton for the Victoria Line? Where you can just stay on the train and change at Victoria. But Brixton is a big area, with excellent bus connection, but also has an average National Rail service. I said on here before but money should be spent on Brixton and build 4 extra platforms so that London Overground and South Eastern Dartford trains can make an additional stop. Catching a train a short distance between Lewisham/Peckham Rye and Brixton would be very beneficial. So with a Labour Government now and a Labour Mayor this might get some traction. I live on the Victoria to Orpington line. The reasons why MANY people align at Brixton and change for the Victoria Line are because: 1. People who commute to Vauxhall prefer changing there 2. It's much easier for people who live beyond West Dulwich to change at Brixton, then at Stockwell for the Northern Line. (Thameslink at Herne Hill is already extremely overcrowded as it is) 3. When you change at Brixton, myself and others often get a seat if we need to go to Central London. 4. When you change at Victoria during the peak hours, you often have to queue before you enter the station (they have crowding measures in place and shut/divert entrances). Once you do get in, you probably wont be able to board the next three VL services (much less grab a seat!) 5. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't touch in/out at Brixton - so they see a free ride (some also have a Z1-2 travelcard so they can tap in/out at Brixton underground and fare-dodge into the South East) But I do agree that not having a London Overground not serving Brixton is a huge missed opportunity. The connections such an interchange could open up, it'd create a whole new hub for us in South London!
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Post by greenboy on Jul 8, 2024 11:04:54 GMT
I wouldn’t think there would be any benefit by changing at Brixton for the Victoria Line? Where you can just stay on the train and change at Victoria. But Brixton is a big area, with excellent bus connection, but also has an average National Rail service. I said on here before but money should be spent on Brixton and build 4 extra platforms so that London Overground and South Eastern Dartford trains can make an additional stop. Catching a train a short distance between Lewisham/Peckham Rye and Brixton would be very beneficial. So with a Labour Government now and a Labour Mayor this might get some traction. I live on the Victoria to Orpington line. The reasons why MANY people align at Brixton and change for the Victoria Line are because: 1. People who commute to Vauxhall prefer changing there 2. It's much easier for people who live beyond West Dulwich to change at Brixton, then at Stockwell for the Northern Line. (Thameslink at Herne Hill is already extremely overcrowded as it is) 3. When you change at Brixton, myself and others often get a seat if we need to go to Central London. 4. When you change at Victoria during the peak hours, you often have to queue before you enter the station (they have crowding measures in place and shut/divert entrances). Once you do get in, you probably wont be able to board the next three VL services (much less grab a seat!) 5. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't touch in/out at Brixton - so they see a free ride (some also have a Z1-2 travelcard so they can tap in/out at Brixton underground and fare-dodge into the South East) But I do agree that not having a London Overground not serving Brixton is a huge missed opportunity. The connections such an interchange could open up, it'd create a whole new hub for us in South London! I might be a bit cynical but I suspect some people change to the tube at Brixton to avoid paying for the Southeastern bit of their journey? I think LO platforms should be the long term objective although obviously it would be a massive project.
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Post by Whitherminter on Jul 8, 2024 14:34:23 GMT
I live on the Victoria to Orpington line. The reasons why MANY people align at Brixton and change for the Victoria Line are because: 1. People who commute to Vauxhall prefer changing there 2. It's much easier for people who live beyond West Dulwich to change at Brixton, then at Stockwell for the Northern Line. (Thameslink at Herne Hill is already extremely overcrowded as it is) 3. When you change at Brixton, myself and others often get a seat if we need to go to Central London. 4. When you change at Victoria during the peak hours, you often have to queue before you enter the station (they have crowding measures in place and shut/divert entrances). Once you do get in, you probably wont be able to board the next three VL services (much less grab a seat!) 5. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't touch in/out at Brixton - so they see a free ride (some also have a Z1-2 travelcard so they can tap in/out at Brixton underground and fare-dodge into the South East) But I do agree that not having a London Overground not serving Brixton is a huge missed opportunity. The connections such an interchange could open up, it'd create a whole new hub for us in South London! I might be a bit cynical but I suspect some people change to the tube at Brixton to avoid paying for the Southeastern bit of their journey? I think LO platforms should be the long term objective although obviously it would be a massive project. Your cynicism is accurate, very often do people avoid paying when they travel via southeastern to Brixton! I can tell by the number of people that quickly jump back on the train once they see revenue inspectors by the (very tight and congested) staircase/exit! I believe in 2015 & 2017, the estimated cost to build an overground station in Brixton was circa £100 million!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2024 15:04:02 GMT
I might be a bit cynical but I suspect some people change to the tube at Brixton to avoid paying for the Southeastern bit of their journey? I think LO platforms should be the long term objective although obviously it would be a massive project. Your cynicism is accurate, very often do people avoid paying when they travel via southeastern to Brixton! I can tell by the number of people that quickly jump back on the train once they see revenue inspectors by the (very tight and congested) staircase/exit! I believe in 2015 & 2017, the estimated cost to build an overground station in Brixton was circa £100 million! That would of been money well spent IMO - we're crying out for better links in Brixton via the Overground which in turn would help ease problems on the local buses
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Post by PGAT on Jul 8, 2024 16:17:06 GMT
Do you think there will be extra pressure to add Brixton to the Overground when it is renamed the Windrush line or am I being silly
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 8, 2024 16:28:19 GMT
Do you think there will be extra pressure to add Brixton to the Overground when it is renamed the Windrush line or am I being silly I don’t think you’re being silly at all. I think the odds on it happening are close to zero, but I’m pretty sure someone with reasonable influence will pass comment enough for it to end up on local news websites.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 8, 2024 16:31:39 GMT
Do you think there will be extra pressure to add Brixton to the Overground when it is renamed the Windrush line or am I being silly I met a Lambeth councillor purely by chance at Clapham High Street shortly after the Clapham Junction service started in 2012. He told me it would be hugely expensive to build an Overground Station on Brixton High Road - even a standalone one, forget any integrated interchange with the Underground - and it will only happen if there is redevelopment in the Town Centre and a developer pays for it. EDIT: I see from a post above that the estimated cost for a Brixton Overground station was around £100 million seven years ago.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2024 19:40:08 GMT
Do you think there will be extra pressure to add Brixton to the Overground when it is renamed the Windrush line or am I being silly I met a Lambeth councillor purely by chance at Clapham High Street shortly after the Clapham Junction service started in 2012. He told me it would be hugely expensive to build an Overground Station on Brixton High Road - even a standalone one, forget any integrated interchange with the Underground - and it will only happen if there is redevelopment in the Town Centre and a developer pays for it. EDIT: I see from a post above that the estimated cost for a Brixton Overground station was around £100 million seven years ago. Probably double that now to £200 to build the station and inevitable overrun costs.
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Post by PGAT on Jul 8, 2024 19:44:59 GMT
I met a Lambeth councillor purely by chance at Clapham High Street shortly after the Clapham Junction service started in 2012. He told me it would be hugely expensive to build an Overground Station on Brixton High Road - even a standalone one, forget any integrated interchange with the Underground - and it will only happen if there is redevelopment in the Town Centre and a developer pays for it. EDIT: I see from a post above that the estimated cost for a Brixton Overground station was around £100 million seven years ago. Probably double that now to £200 to build the station and inevitable overrun costs. Double on top of that because inflation from 2017 prices
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Post by buspete on Jul 8, 2024 20:57:15 GMT
When I travel on the rare occasion on the Dartford to Victoria Line, it always seems once the train leaves Denmark Hill it travels a long way without stopping anywhere else to finally arrive at Victoria.
The costs are mind boggling and I cannot comprehend that figure, but once done it will be the station will be there forever, could be done on a PPP contract, with different stakeholders contributing, with money coming from private finance if the area can be developed like Lewisham is. But all this is a very long shot.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2024 21:34:54 GMT
Do you think there will be extra pressure to add Brixton to the Overground when it is renamed the Windrush line or am I being silly I met a Lambeth councillor purely by chance at Clapham High Street shortly after the Clapham Junction service started in 2012. He told me it would be hugely expensive to build an Overground Station on Brixton High Road - even a standalone one, forget any integrated interchange with the Underground - and it will only happen if there is redevelopment in the Town Centre and a developer pays for it. EDIT: I see from a post above that the estimated cost for a Brixton Overground station was around £100 million seven years ago. Sadly, Lambeth have little interest in improving transportation in Brixton. They were far more interested in building eyesores like the Hondo Tower which thankfully was reversed after huge pressure residents than re-exploring any opportunity to build a connection. Foot Locker’s arson during the 2011 riots could of given them a toehold but instead, we ended up with a couple of unimportant shops instead - TBH that row of shops between the tube & Atlantic Road bar Sainsbury’s Local are all extremely disposable and even then, there is a second Sainsbury’s Local near the police station.
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Post by buspete on Jul 9, 2024 18:02:37 GMT
That is sad that Lambeth has little interest, if this project brought redevelopment opportunity, all that business rates and council tax it could rake in. Without Lambeth being interested it is pretty much dead.
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Post by buspete on Jul 9, 2024 18:06:29 GMT
I was listening to LBC today and they had Sadiq Khan on and this was after Kier Starmer had a meeting of the Mayors. Sadiq re-alliterated his intention to bring London commuter lines in under TFL. So given that information I would hazard a guess that Southeastern would be the first to come under TFL, under this Government.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 9, 2024 18:16:22 GMT
I was listening to LBC today and they had Sadiq Khan on and this was after Kier Starmer had a meeting of the Mayors. Sadiq re-alliterated his intention to bring London commuter lines in under TFL. So given that information I would hazard a guess that Southeastern would be the first to come under TFL, under this Government. I'm sure Kier will have that done and dusted in a week or so 🤣 🤣 but seriously what is going to be achieved? It will still be the same complex network with the same incidents to deal with, tree down blocking the Greenwich line this morning and a tresspasser on the track at St John's this afternoon.
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