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Post by ServerKing on Jul 23, 2015 9:40:25 GMT
ServerKing - you touch on an interesting point about 'alternative combinations' and manufacturers. Am I not right in thinking Wright only have the production rights to the first 600 & TfL own the blueprints, so to speak. Therefore could ADL (or another manufacturer) not indeed produce the same bus, but employ a few different parts to bump up reliability? Heck, they could put one of your Vauxhall Vectra engines in for you! Vauxhall engines, lol I'd use something more reliable like an Audi or Merc Bad stories about the Red Elephant are like 195 buses - you wait for ages, and two come along This is from the Guardian www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/20/flat-batteries-london-buses-add-to-boris-johnsons-problemsAnd it's not one of my edits
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 9:50:13 GMT
Been mentioned on another forum but seems a good idea. Why not replace the troublesome batch on route 24 with a new batch of LTs? then the 24 batch could have the issues fixed in one go.
The only issue is the new batch of LTs have the new style rear entrance so would have to shuffle a batch of newer LTs from another route and replace those with the newest batch (Perhaps some of the early 73 batch?)
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Post by John tuthill on Jul 23, 2015 10:37:59 GMT
ServerKing - you touch on an interesting point about 'alternative combinations' and manufacturers. Am I not right in thinking Wright only have the production rights to the first 600 & TfL own the blueprints, so to speak. Therefore could ADL (or another manufacturer) not indeed produce the same bus, but employ a few different parts to bump up reliability? Heck, they could put one of your Vauxhall Vectra engines in for you! Vauxhall engines, lol I'd use something more reliable like an Audi or Merc Bad stories about the Red Elephant are like 195 buses - you wait for ages, and two come along This is from the Guardian www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/20/flat-batteries-london-buses-add-to-boris-johnsons-problemsAnd it's not one of my edits Here's a couple of options: tow your diesel, no constraints on storeage space on the bus, or two your batteries behind you! Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by sid on Jul 23, 2015 12:20:25 GMT
I heard most of it and it was indeed very interesting, also a suggestion that hybrids are not really a solution to London's air quality issues and that hydrogen buses are a far better option, something the German's seem to be leading the way on?
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Post by RM5chris on Jul 23, 2015 12:29:16 GMT
....or make a Volvo powered version!
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 23, 2015 15:50:16 GMT
Here's a couple of options: tow your diesel, no constraints on storeage space on the bus, or two your batteries behind you! View AttachmentView Attachmentshh! Leon Daniels will act on your suggestions only problem would be after their hasty introduction this September, after a handful have taken out a few cyclists or uptight Islington folk complain about the din from the two stroke Honda generator to charge the trailer pack, they'll be hastily withdrawn before Boris leaves office Strangely Wrightbus have a Micro Hybrid electric demonstrator which scarily has a detachable trailer it's on their website. Perhaps it was a trailer for the Borismaster? (gets coat)
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Post by John tuthill on Jul 23, 2015 16:56:13 GMT
Here's a couple of options: tow your diesel, no constraints on storeage space on the bus, or two your batteries behind you! View AttachmentView Attachmentshh! Leon Daniels will act on your suggestions only problem would be after their hasty introduction this September, after a handful have taken out a few cyclists or uptight Islington folk complain about the din from the two stroke Honda generator to charge the trailer pack, they'll be hastily withdrawn before Boris leaves office Strangely Wrightbus have a Micro Hybrid electric demonstrator which scarily has a detachable trailer it's on their website. Perhaps it was a trailer for the Borismaster? (gets coat) Well, to keep the nut cutlet and sprocket brains of Islington happy the battery charger could be belt driven of the trailer wheels! Sorted
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Post by snoggle on Jul 23, 2015 19:30:22 GMT
ServerKing - you touch on an interesting point about 'alternative combinations' and manufacturers. Am I not right in thinking Wright only have the production rights to the first 600 & TfL own the blueprints, so to speak. Therefore could ADL (or another manufacturer) not indeed produce the same bus, but employ a few different parts to bump up reliability? Heck, they could put one of your Vauxhall Vectra engines in for you! The first 1,000 are with Wrightbus. Beyond that TfL can licence manufacturer to others. Whether another manufacturer would want to start re-engineering the design and take all the risk of further poor performance is doubtful. Personally I can't see why they'd want to touch the design with a barge pole given the problems so far. All that reputational damage if their batch was as bad as some of the Wrightbus vehicles. Why on earth would ADL or Optare want to waste time on building a bus under licence? It's unlikely they could do it cheaper than Wrightbus so again where's the advantage to TfL in buying more at a higher price with additional risk of new problems emerging? Can't see it happening for real even though TfL have said they've had exploratory discussions. ADL have so many orders for their own designs they can't make buses fast enough!
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Post by RT3062 on Jul 23, 2015 19:56:31 GMT
ServerKing - you touch on an interesting point about 'alternative combinations' and manufacturers. Am I not right in thinking Wright only have the production rights to the first 600 & TfL own the blueprints, so to speak. Therefore could ADL (or another manufacturer) not indeed produce the same bus, but employ a few different parts to bump up reliability? Heck, they could put one of your Vauxhall Vectra engines in for you! The first 1,000 are with Wrightbus. Beyond that TfL can licence manufacturer to others. Whether another manufacturer would want to start re-engineering the design and take all the risk of further poor performance is doubtful. Personally I can't see why they'd want to touch the design with a barge pole given the problems so far. All that reputational damage if their batch was as bad as some of the Wrightbus vehicles. Why on earth would ADL or Optare want to waste time on building a bus under licence? It's unlikely they could do it cheaper than Wrightbus so again where's the advantage to TfL in buying more at a higher price with additional risk of new problems emerging? Can't see it happening for real even though TfL have said they've had exploratory discussions. ADL have so many orders for their own designs they can't make buses fast enough! the whole thing seems a bit pointless i wouldnt be surprised if they go the way of the bendies.
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Post by marlon101 on Jul 23, 2015 20:48:09 GMT
ServerKing - you touch on an interesting point about 'alternative combinations' and manufacturers. Am I not right in thinking Wright only have the production rights to the first 600 & TfL own the blueprints, so to speak. Therefore could ADL (or another manufacturer) not indeed produce the same bus, but employ a few different parts to bump up reliability? Heck, they could put one of your Vauxhall Vectra engines in for you! The first 1,000 are with Wrightbus. Beyond that TfL can licence manufacturer to others. Whether another manufacturer would want to start re-engineering the design and take all the risk of further poor performance is doubtful. Personally I can't see why they'd want to touch the design with a barge pole given the problems so far. All that reputational damage if their batch was as bad as some of the Wrightbus vehicles. Why on earth would ADL or Optare want to waste time on building a bus under licence? It's unlikely they could do it cheaper than Wrightbus so again where's the advantage to TfL in buying more at a higher price with additional risk of new problems emerging? Can't see it happening for real even though TfL have said they've had exploratory discussions. ADL have so many orders for their own designs they can't make buses fast enough! I hadn't thought this through... I wouldn't rule it out though. Doesn't seem as though TfL are bothered about how much a bus costs 'per unit' and everyone would have their price to come into the market. Unlikely, as you say, but not impossible. Heck, if things go south for Boris he could launch a comeback bid to be mayor, pledging to have TfL make them themselves "right here in London"
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Post by snoggle on Jul 23, 2015 20:55:53 GMT
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 23, 2015 22:08:13 GMT
shh! Leon Daniels will act on your suggestions only problem would be after their hasty introduction this September, after a handful have taken out a few cyclists or uptight Islington folk complain about the din from the two stroke Honda generator to charge the trailer pack, they'll be hastily withdrawn before Boris leaves office Strangely Wrightbus have a Micro Hybrid electric demonstrator which scarily has a detachable trailer it's on their website. Perhaps it was a trailer for the Borismaster? (gets coat) Well, to keep the nut cutlet and sprocket brains of Islington happy the battery charger could be belt driven of the trailer wheels! Sorted Not many options left - perhaps in future Wrightbus can offer its zero-emissions 'StreetCab integral' pedicab that have proved a hit in other cities Wood Green's PW104 & 117, still in Provincial base white, are parked up in Trafalgar Square. Sadly the e-paper blind on one of the buses incorrectly shows the 221
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