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Post by Alex on Nov 10, 2015 1:09:05 GMT
Yes DS is duty schedule and TS is time schedule as per LT days when they were separately compiled, nowadays they are generally compiled together so are the same number. Go ahead still use DS and TS numbers despite adopting the Grampian duty system and having different time cards. Also Go-Ahead are following suit of of some other operators and removing the intermediate timing points from the time cards of high frequency routes to encourage drivers to use their ibus headway displays more. Only start point and end point will be shown with any changeover points / variations where necessary. That's interesting......I'm thinking of a situation whereby the ibus system (and the driver MDT) failed in some way? Having timing points would give an indication to how a driver is doing time-wise. Also do headways actually tally up with the end to end running times? Imagining this as a variable I can guess in some cases they don't. |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 10, 2015 10:18:35 GMT
Yes DS is duty schedule and TS is time schedule as per LT days when they were separately compiled, nowadays they are generally compiled together so are the same number. Go ahead still use DS and TS numbers despite adopting the Grampian duty system and having different time cards. Also Go-Ahead are following suit of of some other operators and removing the intermediate timing points from the time cards of high frequency routes to encourage drivers to use their ibus headway displays more. Only start point and end point will be shown with any changeover points / variations where necessary. That's interesting......I'm thinking of a situation whereby the ibus system (and the driver MDT) failed in some way? Having timing points would give an indication to how a driver is doing time-wise. Also do headways actually tally up with the end to end running times? Imagining this as a variable I can guess in some cases they don't. I like timing points because then I know where I am roughly and can tell people how long it will take to get to XYZ, it's also helpful when you have a turn because you know what time you should be leaving, there are a few cases where due to a GPS fault buses won't show and on your MDT it will basically show you have no leader, this is where a good controller will do a route call and tell you that a bus is missing on headway so run to time card ect, you can't really do that if you don't have timing points. The headway is set by the slowest driver, if everyone followed headways the service would in effect be "Perfect" but different buses get held up in different places for different amounts of time, there is also the fact that not all drivers follow headway correctly. I personally don't think headway duty cards will work effectively from my point of view, at Leyton all our routes except the 215 have live changeovers, now if you follow headway and everyone is running like 10 mins early but you are changing over and the driver that should be taking over the bus is on a 47 min break, that bus is going to sit there and be losing time because the next driver can't legally drive the bus. |
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Post by Red Dragon on Nov 10, 2015 18:15:17 GMT
Also Go-Ahead are following suit of of some other operators and removing the intermediate timing points from the time cards of high frequency routes to encourage drivers to use their ibus headway displays more. Only start point and end point will be shown with any changeover points / variations where necessary. Not very clever. Especially when the route is timetabled earlier in the morning and in the evening. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 10, 2015 23:55:23 GMT
Yes DS is duty schedule and TS is time schedule as per LT days when they were separately compiled, nowadays they are generally compiled together so are the same number. Go ahead still use DS and TS numbers despite adopting the Grampian duty system and having different time cards. Also Go-Ahead are following suit of of some other operators and removing the intermediate timing points from the time cards of high frequency routes to encourage drivers to use their ibus headway displays more. Only start point and end point will be shown with any changeover points / variations where necessary. Bit silly of them to remove points from the card. It would be some drivers field day if the ibus system goes down. |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 11, 2015 1:39:24 GMT
Yes DS is duty schedule and TS is time schedule as per LT days when they were separately compiled, nowadays they are generally compiled together so are the same number. Go ahead still use DS and TS numbers despite adopting the Grampian duty system and having different time cards. Also Go-Ahead are following suit of of some other operators and removing the intermediate timing points from the time cards of high frequency routes to encourage drivers to use their ibus headway displays more. Only start point and end point will be shown with any changeover points / variations where necessary. Bit silly of them to remove points from the card. It would be some drivers field day if the ibus system goes down. Like today when the entire Stagecoach East London iBus system went down  |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 19, 2015 8:56:55 GMT
So quick little update, I'm getting type trained on a LT today, passed my 3 months probation all fine with no problems  guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 19, 2015 10:27:20 GMT
So quick little update, I'm getting type trained on a LT today, passed my 3 months probation all fine with no problems guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now "And now a special request, Gloria Gaynor will sing #I will survive#"  |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 19, 2015 12:08:42 GMT
So quick little update, I'm getting type trained on a LT today, passed my 3 months probation all fine with no problems guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now "And now a special request, Gloria Gaynor will sing #I will survive#" Well we made it round the 179 and 275 routes with no problems, they aren't hard to drive, love the mirrors, wish they were all as big as the LT's, quite nippy when they get going, it's a long start procedure which I personally think they could have made a bit more simple, it has 3 isolaters and 2 start buttons, obviously I can't tell you the start procedure but it is quite simple, just frustrating and you have to wait a while before doing anything unlike an enviro hybrid for example which is just 3 buttons and you can press them as quick as you want. Granted it is a heavy bus and you can feel the weight which I like, they are nice to drive, there is minimal rattle, it's quite a simple bus and there are no delays unlike Enviro's, the climate control in the cab is great (Why can't it be this good in every bus) The rear door is slow, they can roll back on hills, the engine cutting in and out can be a bit juddery at times, it doesn't seem to cut regen on braking when ABS kicks in, either that or it doesn't slip at much as the Enviro's do Overall to me it's just another bus I get to drive, I know it was my first proper time driving one but I don't get the same confidence to get through gaps as I do in a TA or Scania, I get the same feeling in Enviro's and I drive them enough, we will see, I might grow on them |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 19, 2015 17:06:09 GMT
So quick little update, I'm getting type trained on a LT today, passed my 3 months probation all fine with no problems guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now How odd - I hadn't seen this post until just now (1704) but I went past Leyton Garage earlier today and thought "I wonder how our resident new Stagecoach driver is doing and whether he will be driving a LT soon" [1]. Spooky.  [1] based on the fact you'd said before you'd like a go on a LT. |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 19, 2015 20:22:12 GMT
So quick little update, I'm getting type trained on a LT today, passed my 3 months probation all fine with no problems guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now How odd - I hadn't seen this post until just now (1704) but I went past Leyton Garage earlier today and thought "I wonder how our resident new Stagecoach driver is doing and whether he will be driving a LT soon" [1]. Spooky. [1] based on the fact you'd said before you'd like a go on a LT. It should have happened a few days ago but trying to find a spare LT seems to be a challenge, Even BW couldn't help this morning, I did want to drive one and I think that was made clear to relevant people so I've now driven one. I was surprised the other day when they said oh "you'll be type training on a LT this week" given I was told it's normally a 6 month wait, I guess it's because I have a nice clean record and I'm trying to keep it that way |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 19, 2015 20:26:30 GMT
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 19, 2015 20:51:49 GMT
Arthur Daileys forecourt? |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 19, 2015 21:03:03 GMT
Arthur Daileys forecourt? Nearly - Hainault St in Ilford.  |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 19, 2015 22:38:16 GMT
So quick little update, I'm getting type trained on a LT today, passed my 3 months probation all fine with no problems guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now Oh wow. Time goes so quickly. What has been your favourite points of driving bus routes in London? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 20, 2015 2:05:14 GMT
"And now a special request, Gloria Gaynor will sing #I will survive#" Well we made it round the 179 and 275 routes with no problems, they aren't hard to drive, love the mirrors, wish they were all as big as the LT's, quite nippy when they get going, it's a long start procedure which I personally think they could have made a bit more simple, it has 3 isolaters and 2 start buttons, obviously I can't tell you the start procedure but it is quite simple, just frustrating and you have to wait a while before doing anything unlike an enviro hybrid for example which is just 3 buttons and you can press them as quick as you want. Granted it is a heavy bus and you can feel the weight which I like, they are nice to drive, there is minimal rattle, it's quite a simple bus and there are no delays unlike Enviro's, the climate control in the cab is great (Why can't it be this good in every bus) The rear door is slow, they can roll back on hills, the engine cutting in and out can be a bit juddery at times, it doesn't seem to cut regen on braking when ABS kicks in, either that or it doesn't slip at much as the Enviro's do Overall to me it's just another bus I get to drive, I know it was my first proper time driving one but I don't get the same confidence to get through gaps as I do in a TA or Scania, I get the same feeling in Enviro's and I drive them enough, we will see, I might grow on them Climate control is standard Wrightbus spec, much easier to get a even temperature. |
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guess I'll be driving the 55 at some point soon, just need to learn the route now 
