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Post by BK15AZR on Feb 10, 2022 18:32:05 GMT
So we get yet another 2 bus routes from Beckton towards Custom House and Silvertown! How many more routes do we need? The 309 is limited is a odd choice of routes as it’s a very much local around the houses route. Would have thought maybe a route to Stratford to offer a alternative to the 108? Think the D3 would be a better choice to extend to south of river than the 309. |
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Post by WH241 on Feb 10, 2022 18:37:34 GMT
So we get yet another 2 bus routes from Beckton towards Custom House and Silvertown! How many more routes do we need? The 309 is limited is a odd choice of routes as it’s a very much local around the houses route. Would have thought maybe a route to Stratford to offer a alternative to the 108? Think the D3 would be a better choice to extend to south of river than the 309. That makes much more sense than the 309 especially as it serves Canary Wharf! It’s like TfL have put no thought into the routes to serve the new tunnel.
I am often very critical of suggested bus route extensions in the withdrawn routes / fantasy threads but really must say both suggestions by enviroPB and BK15AZR in this thread really do make so much sense! |
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Post by ronnie on Feb 10, 2022 21:40:29 GMT
The whole tunnel is disappointing. Yep. Should have been built in Thamesmead or Belvedere. It’s the right solution at a completely wrong place. Yet another instance of the son-of-a-bus-driver getting things wrong (even BoJo has done things better to be honest) Has no one in tfl towers actually seen the chaos around Blackwall tunnel at the best of times? Putting another tunnel with the same approach roads is a sure fire recipe for disaster. You already have the moronic cycle lane on Trafalgar road / woolwich road which no one uses but causes chaos plus now this |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2022 23:56:18 GMT
Yep. Should have been built in Thamesmead or Belvedere. It’s the right solution at a completely wrong place. Yet another instance of the son-of-a-bus-driver getting things wrong (even BoJo has done things better to be honest) Has no one in tfl towers actually seen the chaos around Blackwall tunnel at the best of times? Putting another tunnel with the same approach roads is a sure fire recipe for disaster. You already have the moronic cycle lane on Trafalgar road / woolwich road which no one uses but causes chaos plus now this The same Boris who cut the subsidy and started the mess going that is the transport network currently. I get it - we all know Khan has made massive blunders but we need to careful here when coming out with statements like "even Boris has done things better" when there is plenty he has done within his mayoral & PM reigns wrong. Boris would of stuck those same annoying cycle lanes in, lets not pretend he wouldn't given he oversaw the construction of many and Khan simply continued on what he started. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 11, 2022 6:57:42 GMT
It’s the right solution at a completely wrong place. Yet another instance of the son-of-a-bus-driver getting things wrong (even BoJo has done things better to be honest) Has no one in tfl towers actually seen the chaos around Blackwall tunnel at the best of times? Putting another tunnel with the same approach roads is a sure fire recipe for disaster. You already have the moronic cycle lane on Trafalgar road / woolwich road which no one uses but causes chaos plus now this The same Boris who cut the subsidy and started the mess going that is the transport network currently. I get it - we all know Khan has made massive blunders but we need to careful here when coming out with statements like "even Boris has done things better" when there is plenty he has done within his mayoral & PM reigns wrong. Boris would of stuck those same annoying cycle lanes in, lets not pretend he wouldn't given he oversaw the construction of many and Khan simply continued on what he started. Your last sentence sums up exactly what is wrong with Sadiq Kahn. He has simply continued a lot of things rather than create his own legacy projects. Instead he’ll go down in history as a mayor who spaffed all the money, did nothing to improve London and simply chanted his childish “I want, I want” mantra through a huge PR machine. Yes, it’s hard to do something when your funding is eroded but it was a chance to be innovative and instead we get a limp noodle with a huge ego and little humility. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 13, 2022 11:01:31 GMT
I would say it is disapointing that the bus lane would be shared with HGV's, what is the point of doing that. The whole tunnel is disappointing. Maybe because it is in the murky depths.  |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Feb 13, 2022 14:21:30 GMT
That map is the same as the one this thread began with in 2015 - TfL's plans haven't changed since then. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 13, 2022 14:39:27 GMT
That map is the same as the one this thread began with in 2015 - TfL's plans haven't changed since then. I was thinking this when I initially saw it, but the original map was so long ago I didn't recall if I was remembering correctly! |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Feb 13, 2022 17:44:14 GMT
That map is the same as the one this thread began with in 2015 - TfL's plans haven't changed since then. I was thinking this when I initially saw it, but the original map was so long ago I didn't recall if I was remembering correctly! I actually thought it was slightly newer - it was definitely around when the planning hearings were taking place - but then double-checked the top of the thread! Here is that map from 2015, by the way: content.tfl.gov.uk/silvertown-consultation-booklet.pdf |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 2, 2022 23:41:35 GMT
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Post by buspete on Mar 3, 2022 1:47:24 GMT
Surprised the 335 hasn’t been mentioned, would be the ideal bus to go to Canary Wharf.
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Post by busman on Mar 3, 2022 9:20:14 GMT
Silly short-termist viewpoint. The capital has been provided to significantly improve connectivity and public transport links across the Thames in an area traditionally under invested in (Woolwich Ferry replacement instead of a permanent crossing, Jubilee Line to Thamesmead etc) and these cowboys want to decline the opportunity at a time when the funds for such a project will probably not be available again for a couple decades. Electric car prices are projected to be on par with petrol or diesel equivalents by 2027 (when Silvertown will probably actually open!). Notwithstanding that new petrol and diesel car sales will be banned next decade. The problem isn’t the volume of traffic, its the emissions. Newham has one of the highest areas of deprivation in London. It’s embarrassing (but not surprising) that a Labour council wants to deny its residents better public transport links and connections to employment opportunities. Also will open up cross river opportunities between businesses and customers (think plumbers, builders, florists, food delivery and other SME business models where the service is provided in the home/doorstep). Get the long term infrastructure in place, stop playing games with the future of our city. Emissions can and will be legislated for. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 3, 2022 9:29:20 GMT
Silly short-termist viewpoint. The capital has been provided to significantly improve connectivity and public transport links across the Thames in an area traditionally under invested in (Woolwich Ferry replacement instead of a permanent crossing, Jubilee Line to Thamesmead etc) and these cowboys want to decline the opportunity at a time when the funds for such a project will probably not be available again for a couple decades. Electric car prices are projected to be on par with petrol or diesel equivalents by 2027 (when Silvertown will probably actually open!). Notwithstanding that new petrol and diesel car sales will be banned next decade. The problem isn’t the volume of traffic, its the emissions. Newham has one of the highest areas of deprivation in London. It’s embarrassing (but not surprising) that a Labour council wants to deny its residents better public transport links and connections to employment opportunities. Also will open up cross river opportunities between businesses and customers (think plumbers, builders, florists, food delivery and other SME business models where the service is provided in the home/doorstep). Get the long term infrastructure in place, stop playing games with the future of our city. Emissions can and will be legislated for. I don’t disagree with the idea of additional crossings in the East but this is entirely the wrong location. It just adds additional pressure to the run-up from Bow. It won’t relieve traffic on that section and I think Newham is right to oppose the tunnel, a bit late, but right to oppose it. An entirely different location should have been chosen for the tunnel which actually would help redistribute the traffic out rather than slowing it down with additional traffic junctions. Infrastructure projects like tunnels should actually improve conditions on all approaches and this just doesn’t seem like it will. |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 3, 2022 9:57:26 GMT
Silly short-termist viewpoint. The capital has been provided to significantly improve connectivity and public transport links across the Thames in an area traditionally under invested in (Woolwich Ferry replacement instead of a permanent crossing, Jubilee Line to Thamesmead etc) and these cowboys want to decline the opportunity at a time when the funds for such a project will probably not be available again for a couple decades. Electric car prices are projected to be on par with petrol or diesel equivalents by 2027 (when Silvertown will probably actually open!). Notwithstanding that new petrol and diesel car sales will be banned next decade. The problem isn’t the volume of traffic, its the emissions. Newham has one of the highest areas of deprivation in London. It’s embarrassing (but not surprising) that a Labour council wants to deny its residents better public transport links and connections to employment opportunities. Also will open up cross river opportunities between businesses and customers (think plumbers, builders, florists, food delivery and other SME business models where the service is provided in the home/doorstep). Get the long term infrastructure in place, stop playing games with the future of our city. Emissions can and will be legislated for. I don’t disagree with the idea of additional crossings in the East but this is entirely the wrong location. It just adds additional pressure to the run-up from Bow. It won’t relieve traffic on that section and I think Newham is right to oppose the tunnel, a bit late, but right to oppose it. An entirely different location should have been chosen for the tunnel which actually would help redistribute the traffic out rather than slowing it down with additional traffic junctions. Infrastructure projects like tunnels should actually improve conditions on all approaches and this just doesn’t seem like it will. I agree. East / SE London is in dire need of a new crossing but they literally couldn’t have picked a worse spot than this. This needs to be a few miles downriver In its current form needs to be opposed tooth and nail. Typical sadiq khan, can’t get things right. Tunnels in the wrong spot, LTNs / cycle stuff while trundling around in a 4-5 diesel car entourage, knife crime etc etc. The woolwich ferry doesn’t work most of the time (they should just say when it runs rather than when it doesn’t as that’s most days!) Mercifully Greenwich council heard the widespread opposition and cancelled the LTN schemes for east Greenwich (this would have seen maze hill and Vanbrugh hill closed to through traffic). West Greenwich LTNs also under review as all that has happened is that traffic has been displaced to different streets (or east Greenwich) and main roads are choc-a-bloc |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 3, 2022 10:40:53 GMT
I don’t disagree with the idea of additional crossings in the East but this is entirely the wrong location. It just adds additional pressure to the run-up from Bow. It won’t relieve traffic on that section and I think Newham is right to oppose the tunnel, a bit late, but right to oppose it. An entirely different location should have been chosen for the tunnel which actually would help redistribute the traffic out rather than slowing it down with additional traffic junctions. Infrastructure projects like tunnels should actually improve conditions on all approaches and this just doesn’t seem like it will. I agree. East / SE London is in dire need of a new crossing but they literally couldn’t have picked a worse spot than this. This needs to be a few miles downriver In its current form needs to be opposed tooth and nail. Typical sadiq khan, can’t get things right. Tunnels in the wrong spot, LTNs / cycle stuff while trundling around in a 4-5 diesel car entourage, knife crime etc etc. The woolwich ferry doesn’t work most of the time (they should just say when it runs rather than when it doesn’t as that’s most days!) Mercifully Greenwich council heard the widespread opposition and cancelled the LTN schemes for east Greenwich (this would have seen maze hill and Vanbrugh hill closed to through traffic). West Greenwich LTNs also under review as all that has happened is that traffic has been displaced to different streets (or east Greenwich) and main roads are choc-a-bloc I actually support this crossing even if it is an useless place and I would support two more crossings. It is ridiculous we can spend money on all stupid things in this country and the most basic of needs, especially at that side of East London is not done. There is NO sensible crossing in both directions between Tower Bridge and Dartford Crossing. My reason for saying that, it discriminates against large vehicles and creates additional wasted mileage and more emissions, these brain dead people cannot see this. Blackwall is practically a one direction tunnel, Rotherhithe is a joke, Woolwich ferry is a part time not fit for purpose laughing stock. |
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