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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 3, 2016 1:56:25 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. You were not the only one who liked it. When they wanted to re-development the bus station they should model after the previous bus station. Hope this isn't indication of the Westfield works start.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 3, 2016 2:14:08 GMT
It also says the format will be hardly unchanged which is a big shame as it would be nice to see the 50 & 468 diverted to stop at West Croydon the same way the 75 even though it's not as practical, plus what about stand space as it says that it will big enough to grow but again no space seems to be extended as new routes in the area can be extended to Croydon (54/353 etc.) TBH, I've never understood why the 50 & 468 never served the bus station towards Thornton Heath - maybe they thought they wouldn't have the space to accommodate them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 15:22:22 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. You were not the only one who liked it. When they wanted to re-development the bus station they should model after the previous bus station. Hope this isn't indication of the Westfield works start. I agree I liked the old bus station to a certain extent as it did the fundamentals of a bus station did kept warm, most buses stopped their without any problem and it was quite popular the only reason why I see the changes was because it was getting quite old and tacky very quickly, and I'm pretty sure this is in context with the Westfield re-development as that's scheduled to start in 2016/2017 and Croydon Council are having a whole series of redevelopment around the Croydon area in queue with this called Connected Croydon such as them re-developing Fairfield Halls, new seats in East Croydon tram stop, Saffron Square, re tiling and repainting shops etc. www.croydon.gov.uk/planningandregeneration/regeneration/connected-croydon - Scroll down for a link that gives more detail on the redevelopments around town www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Croydon-s-Fairfield-Halls-close-years/story-28026930-detail/story.html
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Post by vjaska on Jan 3, 2016 15:25:44 GMT
You were not the only one who liked it. When they wanted to re-development the bus station they should model after the previous bus station. Hope this isn't indication of the Westfield works start. I agree I liked the old bus station to a certain extent as it did the fundamentals of a bus station did kept warm, most buses stopped their without any problem and it was quite popular the only reason why I see the changes was because it was getting quite old and tacky very quickly, and I'm pretty sure this is in context with the Westfield re-development as that's scheduled to start in 2016/2017 and Croydon Council are having a whole series of redevelopment around the Croydon area in queue with this called Connected Croydon such as them re-developing Fairfield Halls, new seats in East Croydon tram stop, Saffron Square, re tiling and repainting shops etc. www.croydon.gov.uk/planningandregeneration/regeneration/connected-croydon - Scroll down for a link that gives more detail on the redevelopments around town www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Croydon-s-Fairfield-Halls-close-years/story-28026930-detail/story.htmlGetting rid of Fairfield Halls is an absolute joke - Croydon Council are intent on ripping the heart out of Croydon.
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Post by sid on Jan 3, 2016 16:11:25 GMT
It also says the format will be hardly unchanged which is a big shame as it would be nice to see the 50 & 468 diverted to stop at West Croydon the same way the 75 even though it's not as practical, plus what about stand space as it says that it will big enough to grow but again no space seems to be extended as new routes in the area can be extended to Croydon (54/353 etc.) TBH, I've never understood why the 50 & 468 never served the bus station towards Thornton Heath - maybe they thought they wouldn't have the space to accommodate them. They did serve the bus station once, probably removed to avoid delays? The old bus station was great before half of it was lost to Delta Point back in the 80's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 16:17:35 GMT
I agree I liked the old bus station to a certain extent as it did the fundamentals of a bus station did kept warm, most buses stopped their without any problem and it was quite popular the only reason why I see the changes was because it was getting quite old and tacky very quickly, and I'm pretty sure this is in context with the Westfield re-development as that's scheduled to start in 2016/2017 and Croydon Council are having a whole series of redevelopment around the Croydon area in queue with this called Connected Croydon such as them re-developing Fairfield Halls, new seats in East Croydon tram stop, Saffron Square, re tiling and repainting shops etc. www.croydon.gov.uk/planningandregeneration/regeneration/connected-croydon - Scroll down for a link that gives more detail on the redevelopments around town www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Croydon-s-Fairfield-Halls-close-years/story-28026930-detail/story.htmlGetting rid of Fairfield Halls is an absolute joke - Croydon Council are intent on ripping the heart out of Croydon. It's not a closure it's a redevelopment of Fairfield Halls like what they're doing with West Croydon but again there's no need and will probably end up like what's happening now with West Croydon and again it may not be perfect but it does it's job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 16:21:34 GMT
TBH, I've never understood why the 50 & 468 never served the bus station towards Thornton Heath - maybe they thought they wouldn't have the space to accommodate them. They did serve the bus station once, probably removed to avoid delays? The old bus station was great before half of it was lost to Delta Point back in the 80's. How did they serve it did they turn in through the back of West Croydon through Poplar Walk or the front of Station Road also was it both ways or one, and what about the bus that stop at Poplar Walk did they stop at West Croydon or no, and if that's the case why did they build it it's basically just there empty and is sent to a block of apartments but like West Croydon no signs of redevelopments.
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Post by sid on Jan 3, 2016 16:30:19 GMT
They did serve the bus station once, probably removed to avoid delays? The old bus station was great before half of it was lost to Delta Point back in the 80's. How did they serve it did they turn in through the back of West Croydon through Poplar Walk or the front of Station Road also was it both ways or one, and what about the bus that stop at Poplar Walk did they stop at West Croydon or no, and if that's the case why did they build it it's basically just there empty and is sent to a block of apartments but like West Croydon no signs of redevelopments. When North End was open to buses they served it in both directions. From what I can remember when North End was pedestrianised southbound buses went straight along Wellesley Road and northbound buses came in via Station Road for a while but were subsequently removed presumably due to congestion and delays.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 3, 2016 17:57:44 GMT
TBH, I've never understood why the 50 & 468 never served the bus station towards Thornton Heath - maybe they thought they wouldn't have the space to accommodate them. They did serve the bus station once, probably removed to avoid delays? The old bus station was great before half of it was lost to Delta Point back in the 80's. Ahh right, genuinely didn't know that Delta Point was built on top of the bus station rather than next to it - is there any pics of that bit before Delta Point was built?
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Post by sid on Jan 4, 2016 11:36:55 GMT
They did serve the bus station once, probably removed to avoid delays? The old bus station was great before half of it was lost to Delta Point back in the 80's. Ahh right, genuinely didn't know that Delta Point was built on top of the bus station rather than next to it - is there any pics of that bit before Delta Point was built? www.google.co.uk/#q=old+west+croydon+bus+station+1970Those were the days
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Post by ibus246 on Mar 5, 2016 8:26:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 12:27:32 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. TfL seems to have a real dislike of enclosed bus stations and yet they're the norm for almost every new bus station built in the UK. Having had to use Tottenham Hale's bus station the other day when it was raining and windy it was completely useless. Almost as bad as Stratford City and that's one of the worst "bus stations" in London. No idea why they stuck those massive "roofs" on stalks over the roads because they offer no protection to passengers. The shelters are far too small - I had to shelter under one which wasn't at the stop my bus went from because the other one was full. There's no reason at all for the big roofs and TfL could have installed some nice enclosed / partly enclosed shelters that are much longer. TfL clearly try to cater for the use of dual door vehicles and central ramps and to allow space for wheelchairs to move which is all fine. It does end up with some poor compromises for everyone else though. Same at Slough Bus Station.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 15:33:34 GMT
TfL seems to have a real dislike of enclosed bus stations and yet they're the norm for almost every new bus station built in the UK. Having had to use Tottenham Hale's bus station the other day when it was raining and windy it was completely useless. Almost as bad as Stratford City and that's one of the worst "bus stations" in London. No idea why they stuck those massive "roofs" on stalks over the roads because they offer no protection to passengers. The shelters are far too small - I had to shelter under one which wasn't at the stop my bus went from because the other one was full. There's no reason at all for the big roofs and TfL could have installed some nice enclosed / partly enclosed shelters that are much longer. TfL clearly try to cater for the use of dual door vehicles and central ramps and to allow space for wheelchairs to move which is all fine. It does end up with some poor compromises for everyone else though. Same at Slough Bus Station. Fairfield 'Bus Station' in Kingston has bothered me ever since the 85 moved to another stand. The separate bus stops used to be better and when there were more routes. (57, 85, 131, 213, 485, 726, K5, K9, K10, T3, N22, N77, N85, N213 all stopped in 2002) (57, 131, 213, K5, N87 only remain in 2016) If it will be called a bus station it should surely have more routes stop there. Another bother of mine would be Dalston Junction 'Bus Station', with only the 488.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 7, 2016 18:43:49 GMT
Same at Slough Bus Station. Fairfield 'Bus Station' in Kingston has bothered me ever since the 85 moved to another stand. The separate bus stops used to be better and when there were more routes. (57, 85, 131, 213, 485, K5, N77, N213 all stopped in 2003) (57, 131, 213, N87 only remain in 2016) If it will be called a bus station it should surely have more routes stop there. Another bother of mine would be Dalston Junction 'Bus Station', with only the 488. The K5 still stops at Fairfield Bus Station. Out of interest, how many routes would you say make up a bus station? Genuine question by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 20:46:11 GMT
Fairfield 'Bus Station' in Kingston has bothered me ever since the 85 moved to another stand. The separate bus stops used to be better and when there were more routes. (57, 85, 131, 213, 485, K5, N77, N213 all stopped in 2003) (57, 131, 213, N87 only remain in 2016) If it will be called a bus station it should surely have more routes stop there. Another bother of mine would be Dalston Junction 'Bus Station', with only the 488. The K5 still stops at Fairfield Bus Station. Out of interest, how many routes would you say make up a bus station? Genuine question by the way. Ah, ı forgot about the K5 double run via Fairfield. Well, I certainly wouldn't have just 3 or 4 bus routes in a bus station. Having the 85, 485, 726, N22, T3, K9 and K10 made it feel more like a proper bus station for me. Not as though just 3 or 4 routes would bother anyone, but I'm sure Kingston's bus passengers would prefer it if most bus routes were directly linked to one another, instead of just terminating at Fairfield and serving Eden Street in one direction. Perhaps the rebuilding of Cromwell Road Bus Station could provide extra capacity in the future.
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