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Post by markyl on Aug 5, 2016 14:07:18 GMT
It's back up with the results now published
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2016 14:36:11 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 5, 2016 14:49:15 GMT
Changes to take effect from April 2017, which is a bit later than I thought. I would have thought the changes would take place in around December to coincide with the new contracts for a lot of the routes involved.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2016 15:15:10 GMT
Changes to take effect from April 2017, which is a bit later than I thought. I would have thought the changes would take place in around December to coincide with the new contracts for a lot of the routes involved. Well the reports hints at highway changes being needed and they can take forever. One wonders if the new contract start dates will be pushed back with an extension to current ones to allow a "clean break". I also wonder if TfL have had to go back to bidders to adjust their submissions to reflect the changed priorities. Wonder if we will get an imminent tender announcement or a wait for a few more weeks? Having had a quick read of the consultation responses it seems that TfL have misjudged the strength of feeling in proposing changes to the R11. Even simple things like the revised R7 not serving the station entrance at Orpington Station haven't gone down well but there are highway restrictions preventing it being re-routed in both directions. I am left wondering why the frequency shuffle between the R1 and R11 was necessary given that making the R11 more frequency comes at the cost of not serving Tescos which is clearly not a popular change but is happening anyway. Clearly the Orpington network is "marginal" and can't carry a lot of extra cost but it seems a bit of extra funding might well have avoided some changes that people won't like.
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Post by snowman on Aug 5, 2016 15:17:51 GMT
Changes to take effect from April 2017, which is a bit later than I thought. I would have thought the changes would take place in around December to coincide with the new contracts for a lot of the routes involved. Normally changes would take place on contract dates. There is only 4 reasons they don't : 1) proposed date is imminent so needs few extra weeks to arrange 2) involves multiple routes with different change dates so temporary extensions to common date occur 3) can't get the buses in time 4) roadworks mean cannot start 3rd December rules out 1 and 2, unfortunately it appears to be reason 3 or 4, and 3 implies a change of Operator, so time for me to shut up before we get tender speculation that could affect someone's job.
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Post by Paul on Aug 5, 2016 20:31:25 GMT
I've had a relatively quick look through the consultation documents. Pleasing to see people felt moved enough to praise the drivers and the service on the R7 Anyway, I think it's pretty pathetic that TfL have ignored a significant portion of respondents and still removed the R11 from Foots Cray Tesco. I'm not particularly happy about my wife having to walk around the Crittals Corner area at gone 9 o'clock at night It's disappointing that the opportunity to link Orpington Station directly with Orpington Hospital hasn't been taken but removing a hospital link (the R11 between Green Street Green and the hospital and St Pauls Cray and the hospital) was never going to be popular even though the Hopper ticket would make through journeys very easy I'm not surprised they've pushed the R7 through to Chislehurst High Street. It was always going to be tough terminating the service at the War Memorial and with us using Prince Imperial Road it should lessen the impact of traffic in the area I was initially confused as to the consternation concerning the R7 not serving Station Approach since we have never served that road anyway but realised that it relates to those people coming from the Chelsfield Village area to the station. Losing the direct option obviously isn't helpful but connections are very easily made and I doubt there will be too many grumbles I am interested to know what the specific routings for the R7 will be around Orpington Town Centre. I hope they make sense and don't have us running extra, unnecessary, trips along the High Street And finally, I wonder if our relief point will remain in Orpington. Many of us have long maintained that Bickley would make a far more sensible relief point
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Post by lonmark on Aug 5, 2016 21:05:47 GMT
Paul i am pleasure that route R7 will be extended to chislehurst gordon arms via prince imperial road. However it will be easy for me to get home more quicky if route 162 not turn up at all or traffic problem at war memoiral ger interchange with route 336 (soon to be increase to every 15 mins) however do not really need to go via aquila Estate at all? I wish bus stop should be more useful near bickley where 336 meet each other?
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Post by jay38a on Aug 5, 2016 21:58:40 GMT
I've had a relatively quick look through the consultation documents. Pleasing to see people felt moved enough to praise the drivers and the service on the R7 Anyway, I think it's pretty pathetic that TfL have ignored a significant portion of respondents and still removed the R11 from Foots Cray Tesco. I'm not particularly happy about my wife having to walk around the Crittals Corner area at gone 9 o'clock at night It's disappointing that the opportunity to link Orpington Station directly with Orpington Hospital hasn't been taken but removing a hospital link (the R11 between Green Street Green and the hospital and St Pauls Cray and the hospital) was never going to be popular even though the Hopper ticket would make through journeys very easy I'm not surprised they've pushed the R7 through to Chislehurst High Street. It was always going to be tough terminating the service at the War Memorial and with us using Prince Imperial Road it should lessen the impact of traffic in the area I was initially confused as to the consternation concerning the R7 not serving Station Approach since we have never served that road anyway but realised that it relates to those people coming from the Chelsfield Village area to the station. Losing the direct option obviously isn't helpful but connections are very easily made and I doubt there will be too many grumbles I am interested to know what the specific routings for the R7 will be around Orpington Town Centre. I hope they make sense and don't have us running extra, unnecessary, trips along the High Street And finally, I wonder if our relief point will remain in Orpington. Many of us have long maintained that Bickley would make a far more sensible relief point The R7 in Orpington Town Centre will follow the routing you use on the R5/10 towards Knockholt however in both directions.
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Post by Paul on Aug 5, 2016 22:23:44 GMT
Paul i am pleasure that route R7 will be extended to chislehurst gordon arms via prince imperial road. However it will be easy for me to get home more quicky if route 162 not turn up at all or traffic problem at war memoiral ger interchange with route 336 (soon to be increase to every 15 mins) however do not really need to go via aquila Estate at all? I wish bus stop should be more useful near bickley where 336 meet each other? I do agree that the interchange between the 336 and the R7 is pretty poor I've had a relatively quick look through the consultation documents. Pleasing to see people felt moved enough to praise the drivers and the service on the R7 Anyway, I think it's pretty pathetic that TfL have ignored a significant portion of respondents and still removed the R11 from Foots Cray Tesco. I'm not particularly happy about my wife having to walk around the Crittals Corner area at gone 9 o'clock at night It's disappointing that the opportunity to link Orpington Station directly with Orpington Hospital hasn't been taken but removing a hospital link (the R11 between Green Street Green and the hospital and St Pauls Cray and the hospital) was never going to be popular even though the Hopper ticket would make through journeys very easy I'm not surprised they've pushed the R7 through to Chislehurst High Street. It was always going to be tough terminating the service at the War Memorial and with us using Prince Imperial Road it should lessen the impact of traffic in the area I was initially confused as to the consternation concerning the R7 not serving Station Approach since we have never served that road anyway but realised that it relates to those people coming from the Chelsfield Village area to the station. Losing the direct option obviously isn't helpful but connections are very easily made and I doubt there will be too many grumbles I am interested to know what the specific routings for the R7 will be around Orpington Town Centre. I hope they make sense and don't have us running extra, unnecessary, trips along the High Street And finally, I wonder if our relief point will remain in Orpington. Many of us have long maintained that Bickley would make a far more sensible relief point The R7 in Orpington Town Centre will follow the routing you use on the R5/10 towards Knockholt however in both directions. So extra, unnecessary, trips along the High Street. The journeys towards Bickley/Chislehurst should remain on the routing we use now
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 5, 2016 22:46:52 GMT
Paul i am pleasure that route R7 will be extended to chislehurst gordon arms via prince imperial road. However it will be easy for me to get home more quicky if route 162 not turn up at all or traffic problem at war memoiral ger interchange with route 336 (soon to be increase to every 15 mins) however do not really need to go via aquila Estate at all? I wish bus stop should be more useful near bickley where 336 meet each other? Chislehurst Sainsburys will actually be the terminus it will not serve Chislehurst, War Memorial it will serve Prince Imperial Road not Centre Common Road like the 61, 160, 162. It will return via Albany Road, Green Lane & Loop Road via the 61, 160 & 162 then return to Prince Imperial Road, going straight ahead instead of left onto Centre Common Road like the 61, 160, 162
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Post by danorak on Aug 6, 2016 15:27:28 GMT
Paul i am pleasure that route R7 will be extended to chislehurst gordon arms via prince imperial road. However it will be easy for me to get home more quicky if route 162 not turn up at all or traffic problem at war memoiral ger interchange with route 336 (soon to be increase to every 15 mins) however do not really need to go via aquila Estate at all? I wish bus stop should be more useful near bickley where 336 meet each other? Chislehurst Sainsburys will actually be the terminus it will not serve Chislehurst, War Memorial it will serve Prince Imperial Road not Centre Common Road like the 61, 160, 162. It will return via Albany Road, Green Lane & Loop Road via the 61, 160 & 162 then return to Prince Imperial Road, going straight ahead instead of left onto Centre Common Road like the 61, 160, 162 I suggested a little while ago on the ideas thread that it would be more useful for the 61's terminus to be at Sainsburys rather than Green Lane so, although this only affects the R7, I'm claiming it as a qualified win!
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Nov 7, 2016 17:07:37 GMT
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Post by routew15 on Nov 8, 2016 17:27:04 GMT
TfL has today launched a draft consultation on changes to theR2 and creating fixed stops in the Biggin Hill area. R2 consultation page - source: TfL consultation page Sensitive issues taken in what appears to be a tentative approach Consultation closes: Tuesday 20 December 2016.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 8, 2016 19:20:09 GMT
TfL has today launched a draft consultation on changes to theR2 and creating fixed stops in the Biggin Hill area. R2 consultation page - source: TfL consultation page Sensitive issues taken in what appears to be a tentative approach Consultation closes: Tuesday 20 December 2016.I'm a little confused about stop 5 because stop 5 isn't new as it's already there as the alighting & boarding point.
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Post by jay38a on Nov 8, 2016 19:22:51 GMT
A route test will also be done on Route R2 in very early morning or late at night after the following notice was posed in the depot not long before I left as Melody Road is slightly tight.......
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