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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 12:15:24 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 12:55:07 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously On older buses like darts and tridents I think this is how they used to be done, but on newer buses they are simultaneous. This might be why buses used to show via points on the side of the bus instead of the end destinations. The first time I saw the end destination on the side of the bus was on a 58, which was one of the new buses for route 25, so must have started doing it simultaneous in around 2011. |
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Post by Jack on Apr 16, 2016 13:01:33 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously Most do....but if the motor is worn out or the blind is jammed then this situation arises. |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 16, 2016 13:35:08 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously Most do....but if the motor is worn out or the blind is jammed then this situation arises. And adding to that sensor faults can cause a blind to roll back and forth to different displays. Had seen such a phenomenon a few months back with an E on the 77, rear display doing so between Blank and 22. |
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Post by SN17MOA on May 29, 2016 21:48:56 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously On older buses like darts and tridents I think this is how they used to be done, but on newer buses they are simultaneous. This might be why buses used to show via points on the side of the bus instead of the end destinations. A few older buses like for example, Abellio's 8447-8451 and 8460-8462 buses have the end destination on the side of the bus and change their blinds simultaneously. But however, that was done in 2012 so before that it was just like every other dart. |
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Post by sid on May 31, 2016 7:09:19 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously Sadly it's by no means uncommon, of course the rest of the country has moved on to the far more reliable LED's but I digress. |
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Post by Lewis J.N. on May 31, 2016 9:45:44 GMT
I was there at Asda and a 224 breezed in heading for Wembley Stadium. Front and back bliinds okay but the side blind was displaying 195 Brentford County Court. Oops. I thought all blinds changed simultaneously Sadly it's by no means uncommon, of course the rest of the country has moved on to the far more reliable LED's but I digress. LEDs are just as unreliable as Smartblinds - you think the amount of Smartblinds you actually see broken isn't really that many in the grand scheme of things. I would say equally as many LEDs have failed or had something go wrong with them. Just to give an example look what I saw yesterday: Attachment DeletedThe bus came in on the 1 to High Wycombe and left on the A40 to Heathrow but only half the sign changed leaving this rather amusing '1 High Wathrow' display. All of you who moan about London using blinds and everywhere else using LEDs fail to see both how much better blinds look and the fun in seeing what's on them. I agree that there can be impracticalities like buses not blinded for certain routes but really that's down to an operator and not necessarily the blinds themselves. As for failures - like I say - it's just as common with LEDs. |
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Post by sid on May 31, 2016 10:07:55 GMT
Sadly it's by no means uncommon, of course the rest of the country has moved on to the far more reliable LED's but I digress. LEDs are just as unreliable as Smartblinds - you think the amount of Smartblinds you actually see broken isn't really that many in the grand scheme of things. I would say equally as many LEDs have failed or had something go wrong with them. Just to give an example look what I saw yesterday: View AttachmentThe bus came in on the 1 to High Wycombe and left on the A40 to Heathrow but only half the sign changed leaving this rather amusing '1 High Wathrow' display. All of you who moan about London using blinds and everywhere else using LEDs fail to see both how much better blinds look and the fun in seeing what's on them. I agree that there can be impracticalities like buses not blinded for certain routes but really that's down to an operator and not necessarily the blinds themselves. As for failures - like I say - it's just as common with LEDs. Stand at Marble Arch and see how many LED failures you see on National Express, the Oxford routes and the various sightseeing tours. Obviously a cheap poor quality system in your photo. |
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Post by vjaska on May 31, 2016 10:17:49 GMT
LEDs are just as unreliable as Smartblinds - you think the amount of Smartblinds you actually see broken isn't really that many in the grand scheme of things. I would say equally as many LEDs have failed or had something go wrong with them. Just to give an example look what I saw yesterday: View AttachmentThe bus came in on the 1 to High Wycombe and left on the A40 to Heathrow but only half the sign changed leaving this rather amusing '1 High Wathrow' display. All of you who moan about London using blinds and everywhere else using LEDs fail to see both how much better blinds look and the fun in seeing what's on them. I agree that there can be impracticalities like buses not blinded for certain routes but really that's down to an operator and not necessarily the blinds themselves. As for failures - like I say - it's just as common with LEDs. Stand at Marble Arch and see how many LED failures you see on National Express, the Oxford routes and the various sightseeing tours. Obviously a cheap poor quality system in your photo. Not really because I've seen plenty of different operators with LED failures. Even stuff like Countdown Screens, I-Bus screens which use LED's aren't particularly reliable either. |
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Post by sid on May 31, 2016 10:37:14 GMT
Stand at Marble Arch and see how many LED failures you see on National Express, the Oxford routes and the various sightseeing tours. Obviously a cheap poor quality system in your photo. Not really because I've seen plenty of different operators with LED failures. Even stuff like Countdown Screens, I-Bus screens which use LED's aren't particularly reliable either. I don't know about countdown screens etc but modern LED's on buses are almost 100% reliable and far more cost effective than blinds which quite honestly have had their day and should be consigned to the annals of history. The only argument I've seen against LED's is that they can make photography difficult, whether that should be a consideration is another matter. |
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Post by Lewis J.N. on May 31, 2016 11:23:00 GMT
Not really because I've seen plenty of different operators with LED failures. Even stuff like Countdown Screens, I-Bus screens which use LED's aren't particularly reliable either. I don't know about countdown screens etc but modern LED's on buses are almost 100% reliable and far more cost effective than blinds which quite honestly have had their day and should be consigned to the annals of history. The only argument I've seen against LED's is that they can make photography difficult, whether that should be a consideration is another matter. I understand your point mate but your stats are wrong. All LED displays on buses are either Hanover or Mobitec - the pic I put up before was a Hanover display used by most of the coach companies you talk about through Marble Arch. In fact... couldn't the same argument be made about TFL buses? - if you stood at Marble Arch for an hour, I reckon you'd only see one or maybe two buses which have blind faults. And you'd see about the same amount of non-London buses / coaches with LED faults. It's a computer failure either way, which makes both failures about as common. |
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Post by rmz19 on May 31, 2016 11:29:05 GMT
Sadly it's by no means uncommon, of course the rest of the country has moved on to the far more reliable LED's but I digress. LEDs are just as unreliable as Smartblinds - you think the amount of Smartblinds you actually see broken isn't really that many in the grand scheme of things. I would say equally as many LEDs have failed or had something go wrong with them. Just to give an example look what I saw yesterday: The bus came in on the 1 to High Wycombe and left on the A40 to Heathrow but only half the sign changed leaving this rather amusing '1 High Wathrow' display. All of you who moan about London using blinds and everywhere else using LEDs fail to see both how much better blinds look and the fun in seeing what's on them. I agree that there can be impracticalities like buses not blinded for certain routes but really that's down to an operator and not necessarily the blinds themselves. As for failures - like I say - it's just as common with LEDs. There is no denying that LED blind failures are also a common occurence and aren't perfect (nothing is!). But the fundamental difference between LED and Smartblind technology is when the former fails it is much less costly to rectify as opposed to the latter. LEDs are digitally generated whereas Smartblinds are mechanically controlled, so imagine if the automatic Smartblind scrolling mechanism goes bust, the blinds themselves break or the backlight fails to function? I'll leave it down to you to decide which is more cost effective  On a personal note, while Smartblinds look neat and professional, LED blinds look more aesthetically appealing and can be enhanced by the added bonus of displaying useful dynamic information (all in white of course  ) Additionally, LED blinds saves the added hassle of implementing specific blinds for different operators, the irony is evident in this completely unnecessary practice considering how TFL are so stringent on cost effectiveness these days. |
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Post by Lewis J.N. on May 31, 2016 13:03:23 GMT
LEDs are just as unreliable as Smartblinds - you think the amount of Smartblinds you actually see broken isn't really that many in the grand scheme of things. I would say equally as many LEDs have failed or had something go wrong with them. Just to give an example look what I saw yesterday: The bus came in on the 1 to High Wycombe and left on the A40 to Heathrow but only half the sign changed leaving this rather amusing '1 High Wathrow' display. All of you who moan about London using blinds and everywhere else using LEDs fail to see both how much better blinds look and the fun in seeing what's on them. I agree that there can be impracticalities like buses not blinded for certain routes but really that's down to an operator and not necessarily the blinds themselves. As for failures - like I say - it's just as common with LEDs. There is no denying that LED blind failures are also a common occurence and aren't perfect (nothing is!). But the fundamental difference between LED and Smartblind technology is when the former fails it is much less costly to rectify as opposed to the latter. LEDs are digitally generated whereas Smartblinds are mechanically controlled, so imagine if the automatic Smartblind scrolling mechanism goes bust, the blinds themselves break or the backlight fails to function? I'll leave it down to you to decide which is more cost effective On a personal note, while Smartblinds look neat and professional, LED blinds look more aesthetically appealing and can be enhanced by the added bonus of displaying useful dynamic information (all in white of course ) Additionally, LED blinds saves the added hassle of implementing specific blinds for different operators, the irony is evident in this completely unnecessary practice considering how TFL are so stringent on cost effectiveness these days. I don't know - the sense in me does move towards LEDs as I agree with all the points you made above. It's just that if London moves to LEDs then that's it for roller blinds and you can't exactly deny that blinds add more fun to being an enthusiast! |
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Post by sid on May 31, 2016 15:46:36 GMT
I don't know about countdown screens etc but modern LED's on buses are almost 100% reliable and far more cost effective than blinds which quite honestly have had their day and should be consigned to the annals of history. The only argument I've seen against LED's is that they can make photography difficult, whether that should be a consideration is another matter. I understand your point mate but your stats are wrong. All LED displays on buses are either Hanover or Mobitec - the pic I put up before was a Hanover display used by most of the coach companies you talk about through Marble Arch. In fact... couldn't the same argument be made about TFL buses? - if you stood at Marble Arch for an hour, I reckon you'd only see one or maybe two buses which have blind faults. And you'd see about the same amount of non-London buses / coaches with LED faults. It's a computer failure either way, which makes both failures about as common. Well even if blinds are correctly set they might be illegible for one reason or another, unlit blind boxes at night being the most common reason, although different displays on front, side or rear as in the opening post are by no means unusual.
LED's are as near perfect as you're going to get and are far more cost effective which is why the rest of the country changed over to them long ago.
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Post by Madstuntman on Jun 5, 2016 20:38:24 GMT
Where I live all the entire Arriva fleet has LED blinds. Although I don't actually use the buses myself (I work hard enough to be able to afford a car) Hardly ever see a bus with broken or blank LED blinds. I'd say they are reliable enough for use in London.
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On a personal note, while Smartblinds look neat and professional, LED blinds look more aesthetically appealing and can be enhanced by the added bonus of displaying useful dynamic information (all in white of course 
) Additionally, LED blinds saves the added hassle of implementing specific blinds for different operators, the irony is evident in this completely unnecessary practice considering how TFL are so stringent on cost effectiveness these days.