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Post by snoggle on Oct 10, 2016 19:45:00 GMT
Can euro 4 and 5 both be uprated to euro 6 then? Yes, new exhaust systems, and remapping. The main problem is that euroVI tends to need heat, large block, low turbo pressure doesn't lend itself to exhaust treatment. Of course can change the engine, and keep rest of the bus. I was surprised by the reference to 5000 upgrades in total after initial 3000. That suggests everything in the fleet is being done (allowing for 1000 buses euroVI already, and probably another 3000 replaced by 2019). My guess is the extra 2000 are a realisation that virtually every route includes the LEZ as the boundary for that is near the London boundary. I may well have missed this before but I was struck by this phrase from the consulation. An ambition to purchase only hybrid or zero emission double deck buses from 2018. So no form of commitment or anything of that nature. We have an "ambition" to buy nice clean buses in a couple of years. I suspect the penny has dropped with TfL and probably operators and leasing cos that you simply can't bin the existing diesel fleet within a couple of years nor can you fund a massive engine modification programme and also keep buying new buses too. You actually have to keep running the modified vehicles to get some sort of payback on the not inconsiderable investment. Given how long it is taking to fit a few windows to a fleet of buses you have to wonder just what is going to happen when buses have to go in for euro6 mods / engine replacement. This is fleetwide and we can all name the garages that struggle to achieve the PVR roll out never mind have more buses out for mod work. The logistics here are going to be difficult even if we assume it takes a couple of days to do the work (I've no clue on this at all) on a single vehicle. The budgets in TfL must be screaming so much that only dogs can hear the screaming. How anyone can derive anything like a sustainable, viable budget in such a turbulent policy, operating and funding environment I don't know. It's going to be a fascinating job to try to make even a tiny bit of sense of the upcoming TfL Business Plan and Budget given the pressures and demands on it.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 17, 2016 21:44:32 GMT
The Mayor has announced a consultation of vastly extending the ULEZ. This would have profound implications for the bus fleet.
Oh and Oxford St pedestrianisation consultation and LU ticket office closure review.
Another stupid cash cow which is NOT thought through just like the original LEZ. Which then ended up penalising preserved buses. 100% against it and I WOULD be voicing my opinion against it. Even still the usual bully boys at TfL and Sadiq would still push it ahead. Numpties
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Post by snowman on Oct 29, 2016 8:26:20 GMT
We are starting to see the effects in latest tender awards, as the revised proposal would be London wide for buses.
Would seem that TfL are basically lumping the fleet into 3 groups: compliant; needs upgrading; replace before 2019 start.
This seems to have replaced the age related existing buses, where individual years don't seem to be that relevant to fleet cascades. It appears any euroV bus is likely to be upgraded and about 2000 euroIV buses. Whats more looking like no more euroIV awards (modifications will be current euroIV buses where contract ends after 2019) I am also assuming a couple of hundred euroV will leave because of contract losses.
Therefore it appears any bus built 2001 -2007 is in the to be replaced within 34 months group. Any euroIV bus finishing a contract by 2019 is also in replace group.
Difficult to be exact but looking like about 2800 buses will be replaced by ULEZ start which is higher than 655 average replacement per year (9200 buses divided by 14 years). Already have 550 new buses for tender wins in first 5 months of 2017 (details page 162 of Outstanding requirements thread)
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Post by snoggle on Oct 31, 2016 22:49:58 GMT
The papers for next week's TfL Board are up. In the paper on Air Quality this is the section on buses. Not much new but note there is a Zero Emission Buses summit at the end of November.
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Post by allentc on Dec 24, 2016 11:20:38 GMT
There is hope for some of the older buses that we like despite the impending ULEZ. Baumot have come up with a new exhaust system that can be retrofitted to vehicles that are Euro 2 and above to bring them up to Euro 6 levels and in some cases exceed it: www.route-one.net/articles/Technology/Baumot_shows_how_to_go_straight_to_Euro_6I can see this being a popular retrofit as there are a lot of Euro 4 and 5 vehicles in London. Wouldn't it be great if someone retrofitted a Euro 2 Dart with this! Highly unlikely as the age of the vehicle would render it uneconomical.
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Post by snowman on Mar 9, 2017 10:57:13 GMT
Photocall session for the Mayor launching the Putney LEZ linkIt is officially only the section from Putney station to Putney Bridge Road (not the part of Putney High Street north of Putney Bridge Road). The link has details of the other 11 proposed zones and the boundary roads
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Post by M1104 on Mar 9, 2017 11:42:06 GMT
Photocall session for the Mayor launching the Putney LEZ linkIt is officially only the section from Putney station to Putney Bridge Road (not the part of Putney High Street north of Putney Bridge Road). The link has details of the other 11 proposed zones and the boundary roads It sadly still doesn't give clarity on the boundaries of the zone for the Brixton and Streatham areas.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 9, 2017 12:00:24 GMT
Photocall session for the Mayor launching the Putney LEZ linkIt is officially only the section from Putney station to Putney Bridge Road (not the part of Putney High Street north of Putney Bridge Road). The link has details of the other 11 proposed zones and the boundary roads It sadly still doesn't give clarity on the boundaries of the zone for the Brixton and Streatham areas. My money is still on it stretching from the Police Station right up to St Leonards Church otherwise I can't see the sense in it.
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Post by sid on Mar 9, 2017 12:17:34 GMT
It sadly still doesn't give clarity on the boundaries of the zone for the Brixton and Streatham areas. My money is still on it stretching from the Police Station right up to St Leonards Church otherwise I can't see the sense in it. I read somewhere that it would be from St Matthews Road to the South Circular, how true that is I don't know.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 9, 2017 12:55:54 GMT
My money is still on it stretching from the Police Station right up to St Leonards Church otherwise I can't see the sense in it. I read somewhere that it would be from St Matthews Road to the South Circular, how true that is I don't know. That would contradict what TfL have wrote in numerous articles although it would nice if they actually clarify what roads will be affected rather than something which makes no sense. Also, if that is the case, that would only affect Brixton Hill routes and given the actual monitoring device in Brixton is on Brixton Road in between Ferndale Road & the Police Station junction, it would seem silly to not have the corridor through there.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 9, 2017 19:08:04 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39218436London's new low emission bus zones: ◾ Putney High Street - from Putney Station to Putney Bridge Road ◾ Brixton to Streatham - from Brixton Hill via Stockwell Road and Streatham High Road to Streatham Place ◾ A12 Eastern Avenue - from Blake Hall Road via High Road Leyton and Homerton High Street to Marsh Hill ◾ Lewisham to Catford - from Bromley Road via Rushey Green to Lewisham High Street ◾ Stratford - from Abbey Lane via Mile End Road to Woodgrange Road ◾ Haringey - from High Road to Green Lanes ◾ Camberwell to New Cross - from Blackheath Road via Camberwell Green and Peckham High Street to Wood's Green ◾ Wandsworth to St John's Hill - from Lavender Hill to Wandsworth Road. ◾ Edgware Road (Kilburn to Maida Vale) - from Cricklewood Broadway via Kilburn High Road to Shoot-Up Hill ◾ Edmonton to Seven Sisters - from Amhurst Park via Green Lanes and Seven Sisters Road to The Broadway ◾ Uxbridge Road to Shepherds Bush - from Ealing Broadway via Hanger Lane to Uxbridge Road, The Broadway ◾ Chiswick High Road to Kensington - via Hammersmith Broadway and Kensington High Street to Studland Street The 11 further LEBZs will be introduced by 2020, with the Brixton to Streatham one to be launched in October. The mayor has previously announced that diesel-only buses will be phased out in London, which will only buy hybrid or zero-emission double-decker buses from 2018.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 9, 2017 19:08:32 GMT
There is hope for some of the older buses that we like despite the impending ULEZ. Baumot have come up with a new exhaust system that can be retrofitted to vehicles that are Euro 2 and above to bring them up to Euro 6 levels and in some cases exceed it: www.route-one.net/articles/Technology/Baumot_shows_how_to_go_straight_to_Euro_6I can see this being a popular retrofit as there are a lot of Euro 4 and 5 vehicles in London. Wouldn't it be great if someone retrofitted a Euro 2 Dart with this! Highly unlikely as the age of the vehicle would render it uneconomical. Depends on the cost though.
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Post by Nathan on Apr 4, 2017 8:36:59 GMT
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Post by busman on Apr 4, 2017 10:28:19 GMT
This is great news. I hope the ULEZ is introduced for heavier vehicles within the North/South Circular perimeter by 2022.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2017 11:00:46 GMT
This is great news. I hope the ULEZ is introduced for heavier vehicles within the North/South Circular perimeter by 2022. It's being introduced London wide for buses, coaches & lorries.
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