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Post by snoggle on Apr 4, 2017 11:15:17 GMT
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Post by snowman on Apr 4, 2017 12:33:00 GMT
Interesting that they have now decided to go 17 months earlier, from April 2019. Rather strange choice, but probably when TfL think they can modify their own vehicles.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 4, 2017 12:57:06 GMT
Interesting that they have now decided to go 17 months earlier, from April 2019. Rather strange choice, but probably when TfL think they can modify their own vehicles. I think it is pretty much down to politics. The Mayor has to have something done and with a timescale before the next election in which some statistically robust evidence of improvement may emerge. Hence the acceleration of ULEZ in Central London. However the rephasing until after the election postpones some of the riskier and more expensive elements until afterwards. The Mayor or whoever replaces him as Labour candidate [1] then has the chance to campaign on a (presumed) successful Central London ULEZ scheme and get the required mandate for the more painful bit beyond. Of course it could all go horribly wrong which means Outer London will never get an expanded ULEZ if the next Mayor is not in favour. I can't say I am overly shocked by the rephased ntroduction - the Mayor has been carefully rejigging and retiming a great many of his commitments / promises since the day he won. So far his opponents have not managed to dent his popularity despite all this going on but it will catch up with up eventually. It always does. [1] I am not convinced Mr Khan will run for a second term as Mayor. He clearly has his eyes on leading the national Labour Party but he's obviously at the mercy of Labour Party internal politics and being able to seek re-election as a MP in 2020 or possibly before if a by-election emerges. There is a second factor which is the potential for the Mayoral election to be retimed away from May 2020 to avoid a clash with the General Election. If the Mayoral Election goes back to 2021, as has been suggested, then he'll have a 5 year term and may be landed with a whole load of issues and decisions he'd hoped to avoid. One to watch I think.
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Post by busman on Apr 4, 2017 14:17:48 GMT
This is great news. I hope the ULEZ is introduced for heavier vehicles within the North/South Circular perimeter by 2022. It's being introduced London wide for buses, coaches & lorries. I think you may be referring to the Low Emission Zone as that is London wide. The Ultra Low Emission Zone will not be London wide. The mayor's statement even indicates that the 2021 extension to the North & South Circular will not include buses, coaches and lorries. Given that TfL will only start phasing out diesel only buses from 2018, it means that we are looking at December 2024* as the earliest date for 100% conversion of the entire TfL fleet to hybrid or zero emission buses. As TfL are undertaking a significant program of retrofitting diesels to reduce their emissions, I'm sure we will see those vehicles in service in Zone 4 and beyond for many years to come - possibly beyond 2024. *Assuming December 2017 as being the latest date possible for a 5 year contract with a 2 year extension to be awarded with diesels.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2017 17:32:42 GMT
It's being introduced London wide for buses, coaches & lorries. I think you may be referring to the Low Emission Zone as that is London wide. The Ultra Low Emission Zone will not be London wide. The mayor's statement even indicates that the 2021 extension to the North & South Circular will not include buses, coaches and lorries. Given that TfL will only start phasing out diesel only buses from 2018, it means that we are looking at December 2024* as the earliest date for 100% conversion of the entire TfL fleet to hybrid or zero emission buses. As TfL are undertaking a significant program of retrofitting diesels to reduce their emissions, I'm sure we will see those vehicles in service in Zone 4 and beyond for many years to come - possibly beyond 2024. *Assuming December 2017 as being the latest date possible for a 5 year contract with a 2 year extension to be awarded with diesels. No, I'm referring to the ULEZ which is to be extended to the North & South Circular but which only affects everyone inside both circular roads bar buses, coaches & lorries which will have to meet Euro VI requirements across London regardless of which side of the circular roads they travel on.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 4, 2017 18:31:31 GMT
I think you may be referring to the Low Emission Zone as that is London wide. The Ultra Low Emission Zone will not be London wide. The mayor's statement even indicates that the 2021 extension to the North & South Circular will not include buses, coaches and lorries. Given that TfL will only start phasing out diesel only buses from 2018, it means that we are looking at December 2024* as the earliest date for 100% conversion of the entire TfL fleet to hybrid or zero emission buses. As TfL are undertaking a significant program of retrofitting diesels to reduce their emissions, I'm sure we will see those vehicles in service in Zone 4 and beyond for many years to come - possibly beyond 2024. *Assuming December 2017 as being the latest date possible for a 5 year contract with a 2 year extension to be awarded with diesels. No, I'm referring to the ULEZ which is to be extended to the North & South Circular but which only affects everyone inside both circular roads bar buses, coaches & lorries which will have to meet Euro VI requirements across London regardless of which side of the circular roads they travel on. From what I understand, the London wide buses and coaches one doesn't seem to be going ahead. It's only the initial Central London one. Happy to be corrected though
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Post by snowman on Apr 4, 2017 18:41:18 GMT
No, I'm referring to the ULEZ which is to be extended to the North & South Circular but which only affects everyone inside both circular roads bar buses, coaches & lorries which will have to meet Euro VI requirements across London regardless of which side of the circular roads they travel on. From what I understand, the London wide buses and coaches one doesn't seem to be going ahead. It's only the initial Central London one. Happy to be corrected though The consultation seems to refer to this as phase 3a. (ULEZ in Central London from April 2019) It states phase 3b (proposed expansion of ULEZ beyond central London) will be consulted on Autumn 2017 Therefore appears to have been split into two phases
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 5, 2017 0:13:01 GMT
This is great news. I hope the ULEZ is introduced for heavier vehicles within the North/South Circular perimeter by 2022. It's being introduced London wide for buses, coaches & lorries. Disappointing and unfair that it doesn't include taxis, these guys have a licence to print money.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 5, 2017 10:07:28 GMT
It's being introduced London wide for buses, coaches & lorries. Disappointing and unfair that it doesn't include taxis, these guys have a licence to print money. If you said that on Twitter you'd have the taxi driver lynch mob after you. I had one of them telling me that Mr Daniels is a crook and has shares in bus companies. I then tweeted back the link to Mr D's "declaration of interests" on the TfL website which shows he has stated he has no such holdings. Oddly I didn't get any more replies.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 5, 2017 23:11:35 GMT
Disappointing and unfair that it doesn't include taxis, these guys have a licence to print money. If you said that on Twitter you'd have the taxi driver lynch mob after you. I had one of them telling me that Mr Daniels is a crook and has shares in bus companies. I then tweeted back the link to Mr D's "declaration of interests" on the TfL website which shows he has stated he has no such holdings. Oddly I didn't get any more replies. Taxi drivers should not moan about declaration of interests, after all many of them never used to fully record fares and was a factor why many resisted card payments for a long time.
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Post by snowman on Apr 6, 2017 8:02:01 GMT
Taxi drivers should not moan about declaration of interests, after all many of them never used to fully record fares and was a factor why many resisted card payments for a long time. I'm going to have the taxi lynch mob after me as I did the consultation and put in the other comments that there shouldn't be exemptions for taxis and Phv as there is good second-hand market, as still acceptable in other cities.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 12, 2017 14:40:34 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted before but here is a map of the Low Emission Bus Zones. It gives a bit more of a clue as to where the zones start and end and how they fit together. LE bus zones map
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Post by vjaska on Jun 12, 2017 17:50:21 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted before but here is a map of the Low Emission Bus Zones. It gives a bit more of a clue as to where the zones start and end and how they fit together. LE bus zones mapYeah it has but I'm glad it's been posted again - a recent LOTS post mentioned the Brixton corridor running slightly differently from this map but the map seems to make more sense as I can't understand why you'd leave Streatham out given it sees nearly as much pollution and will have many routes meeting Euro VI as a result of Brixton.
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Post by snowman on Jun 22, 2017 8:15:04 GMT
There are some German reports (which I found by accident on a google search), which I have used google translate on Appears Baumot has got a contract with TfL to upgrade approx. 5800 buses with its BNOx system to euroVI contract value £78m (which the German press give equivalent of euro 89m) by Spring 2019 Can't find any English links to this yet, but maybe TfL are sensitive to issuing a press release saying they are spending public money on German suppliers whilst Teresa May is at an EU summit as it suggests we need the EU www.motor-talk.de/news/deutscher-zulieferer-saeubert-londoner-bus-flotte-t6068643.html
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Post by M1104 on Jun 22, 2017 11:43:52 GMT
The link appears to have today's date on it so perhaps TfL's release will not be too far off.
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