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Post by vjaska on Apr 6, 2018 22:59:09 GMT
Better advertising of the bus services, even pamphlets, branding done professionally (each operator could do it rather than the insipid effort from TfL), LED blinds showing different via points (or at least blinds that work rather than the banditry of slipboards of bits of paper we have at the minute )... free WiFi is a want, not need. A better environment inside (cleaners to clean the bus after each rounder, some buses are like mobile skips, I know that's not any driver's fault... even TV advertising (I still remember TfL's My Other Car is a Bus ads from 2007 ) and for the Mayor to be a bit more visible (Boris did his bit to advertise buses, certainly the NBFL ) I never thought I might say 'bring back Boris' or even 'bring back Ken' (and I still wouldn't) but Sadiq has done absolutely nothing of note or inspiration thus far into his office, though crime rather than bus travel may be the legacy for which he is remembered (in a bad way) in years to come. What's the matter with him? I'm no fan of Sadiq Kahn and thankfully didn't vote for him but to blame the current crime problem on him is fundamentally wrong IMO (making a general point here) - the problem had been their for years before him. You could argue, like many of this countries problems, that they stem from Thatcher and have failed to have been properly tackled in the long run. IMO, there are 5 main things of why crime is where it is involving some of the young generation: 1) Lack of funding for youth centres who end up closing as a result 2) A lack of proper parenting (no single mum slurs please as it affects those with both parents just as much) 3) Successive governments not coming up with a actual solution 4) Lack of deterrent - the justice system is an absolute farce and needs significant overhaul 5) Reduction in the number of police
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 6, 2018 23:31:57 GMT
I'd be interested to hear what young people would want on buses. I bet WiFi would be on their list. Nobody reads pamphlets. As I said before, many young people do have Data plans. A young person is unlikely to ditch an Uber just because of WiFi, WiFi is something that you'll use if it's there but if it's not there then it's not going to be a game changer. I've never ever heard of someone pick the tube over the bus due to the fact the stations have WiFi. As for what young people want, I'd go with this: Punctual services: Most of the time when a bus is late, the person waiting will text someone, or post on social media about how unreliable the service is. This in turn also pushes people who read the post or text away from using the service. Frequent services: Similar to above, many younger people tend to have a turn up and go attitude. I know this is completely uneconomical as frequency has to match demand however it's certainly something many young people will want. It might be a contributing factor to the decline in bus usage as well, I know when I was in Hornchurch at silly o clock after visiting a friend we just took an Uber back as the 256s evening frequency left a lot to be desired. New Stuff: Again, completely uneconomical to do to everything, but when you put something new on a service it tends to catch the attention of many young people. When the Class 345s were introduced it was countless the amount of posts I saw on my social networks about them as they made a nice change from the awful 315s and it actually attracted some young people to use the service. Even today on the way home my friend saw a Class 345 and then wouldn't stop going on about how nice it was that they were replacing the "trash" that everyone's used to seeing on the line. A lot of this is uneconomical and unrealistic, but it's what I gather from all the posts I see on social media these days. WiFi would certainly be nice, but I certainly do not see it being justified at the moment. Once bus ridership has started to show a healthy increase then it might be something that is worth considering. I agree with the fact that not many young people will use the Wi-Fi due to mobile data plans. I used to frequently use the Wi-Fi provided by Southern when I only had 4GB of data, since I've doubled the amount of data I have, I hardly ever use it. Data plans are also getting a lot more cheaper and affordable, so over the years there will be an increase in the amount of data you can purchase for £10 for example. Some free Wi-Fi's around, especially on trains and airlines such as Emirates also have a small usage cap, and as a result some deny access to social media networks which is what young people including myself constantly use. But the difference is that the train (and planes for that matter), are usually for long distance journeys, and people can sit and use the Wi-Fi to do their work on a laptop/tablet or play an online game for a long period of time before they have to get off, and as a result they have additional facilities such as tables and toilets etc, whereas buses have no such facilities since in London most routes are around 5-8 miles (although I could be wrong with this figure). Outside of London, most major bus operators do have free "superfast" Wi-Fi on their fleets, and since the internet is a necessity in everyday life now, similar to heating and electricity, I think TfL should consider implementing WiFi onto the fleet of buses, because not only could it benefit passengers, but Wi-Fi technology could also help London's bus operators too. It could even change iBus, as buses can transmit their location via 3G/Wi-Fi, and make it easier to control them. On newer buses, they could implement technology similar to Siemens's TrainGuard equipment, in which the bus can diagnose any problem within it and not only tell the driver via the dash, but the data can also be sent back via Wi-Fi/3G to the running shift offices within garages and iBus hubs so that buses can be attended to as soon as possible or a controller can see the exact issue with the bus without the driver having to call and describe it, and in some cases they would be able to tell the driver how to fix it easier. As mentioned before, adding Wi-Fi to buses won't exactly send passenger numbers spiralling but it can be useful in so many more ways. Other than that, going via a normal passenger's point of view, I'd like to see more comfortable seating on buses, some even with leather, more frequent and punctual services, new iBus screens and USB charging on all buses. I should really pose @rgd976's initial question at my friends at college, I would be really interested to see what they say. I know one of them is fed up of the old buses currently serving the H25, whilst others complain about the 111 constantly being curtailed at Hampton Court.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 6, 2018 23:59:06 GMT
Better advertising of the bus services, even pamphlets, branding done professionally (each operator could do it rather than the insipid effort from TfL), LED blinds showing different via points (or at least blinds that work rather than the banditry of slipboards of bits of paper we have at the minute )... free WiFi is a want, not need. A better environment inside (cleaners to clean the bus after each rounder, some buses are like mobile skips, I know that's not any driver's fault... even TV advertising (I still remember TfL's My Other Car is a Bus ads from 2007 ) and for the Mayor to be a bit more visible (Boris did his bit to advertise buses, certainly the NBFL ) I never thought I might say 'bring back Boris' or even 'bring back Ken' (and I still wouldn't) but Sadiq has done absolutely nothing of note or inspiration thus far into his office, though crime rather than bus travel may be the legacy for which he is remembered (in a bad way) in years to come. What's the matter with him? As my Mrs would say, at the first sign of trouble, he runs like a pair of cheap tights we can't have back-to-back stabbing incidents, shootings and be in fear of these 'bad man dem' kids, who dress up their threats in grime videos in tit for tat postcode wars the slow response to the terrorism was bad enough, talking with little passion in his voice. We've seen the passion he has targeted Euro5 diesel owners, but he's presided over two failed bus branding schemes, seen bus patronage tumble year on year, build yet more cycle lanes despite having no money left, (I still think he's determined to do the Oxford Street thing though), but at least seeing him squirm each week in Mayor's Question Time each week on LBC is good enough... if he was an employee in a acual firm, he'd face disciplinary hearings for gross misconduct (neglect of company property - the bus network, damage to company property - potholed roads) and would be out the door . I appreciate he is poster boy for London, but compared to Ken and Boris it's been a poor show. Granted, we had the bendy buses which caught fire and boris buses with no opening windows, but we had flamboyance and passion. See how his Labour colleague Andy Burnham is running Manchester as Mayor and you can see a difference, so nothing to do with politics... fine Zak Goldsmith may have thought Arriva was Spanish for "Goodbye" but I bet we wouldn't have the chaos in London we have now. I think we are in for another nasty week with these incidents he has the Mayors Office for Policing and Crime, yet says this is the fault of cuts to the police force. We have roughly the same number of officers as NYPD, yet they have tackled their homicide rate and in a week we have overtaken New York and we don't have guns like the US either We see the "make do and mend" approach (how the 318 ENs will last another 5 years will be interesting to see), but there's nothing to lure them back onto buses compared to creature comforts people have in cars. It will be interesting to see how the Metroline Solos replacing Garston's ones will look with LED if the stories are true in Buses mag, the new Class 345 trains were technically done by his predecessor... oh, something else to add to the charge sheet is the mess of electrification of the GOBLIN which overran by a year, and now energised, still sees no electric trains on it Even if they had to use knackered 315s and 317s until new kit arrives it would mean something... theres a diesel he can get rid of, I am surprised he never pounced on that one
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Post by snoggle on Apr 7, 2018 0:32:05 GMT
I never thought I might say 'bring back Boris' or even 'bring back Ken' (and I still wouldn't) but Sadiq has done absolutely nothing of note or inspiration thus far into his office, though crime rather than bus travel may be the legacy for which he is remembered (in a bad way) in years to come. What's the matter with him? {long and off topic, for this thread, response} I don't think anything is "the matter with him". If my memory serves correctly he's never been a councillor with executive power. He was a lowish grade minister for a short period of time. Running the Mayoralty is actually rather difficult and neither Sadiq nor Boris had any grounding as to how local government works. Ken L did and relished the prospect of shaping a new form of London government. That Boris made so many flawed appointments in those first few months and that the organisations he was supposed to control more than effectively fought and won their own battles against City Hall is testament to his lack of experience and preparation. It was only when the late Sir Simon Milton (ex Westminster CC) and Eddie Lister (ex Wandsworth BC) were appointed as effective Chief Executives that things got done. They knew how to make the system work. It was their signatures on a lot of the paperwork. Sadiq Khan is not a "grand stander" in the mould of Ken or Boris. He is much more methodical, even slow, in how he assesses things. He is a lawyer by training so will be bound to weigh various factors. He has been careful in his appointments - presumably to try to retain both political and subject matter expertise. I think rather a lot is being done behind the scenes but little is said about any of this. His "City Hall machine" is modelled on what he was used to in Westminster and he was allegedly shocked when told he had to front Mayor's Question Time every 4 weeks. No one had realised this work could not be farmed out to deputies. Another example of a lack of experience and preparation. It takes more than 2 years for non local government experienced politicians to find their feet with the London Mayoralty. Only Ken was ready for action on day one. I also think he is stymied by the lack of interest from the government which is pre-occupied by something beginning with "B". He also represents the opposition to what leading lights in the Tory Party want to happen and is not exactly on the same political page as Jeremy Corbyn either. In short he's a bit short of obvious political friends. He is a terrifyingly effective campaign strategist despite the self effacing stance he has. As I have said before he is determined to be Labour Party leader and be Prime Minister. Therefore he will have some of his energies directed to that personal strategy. In other ways he has got the short straw with this Mayoralty - funding has been shot to pieces, a disinterested government, a lot of resentment elsewhere in the UK about London "getting all the money / investment", a wobbling economy and an inheritance from 8 yrs of Boris and 10 years of austerity. It's a pretty poor hand to be dealt compared with what both Ken and Boris had - at least some years of generous funding and a receptive central government of the same political party. I suspect the crime issues we are now seeing will prove very difficult for him. It was noteworthy that when he toured Tottenham his Deputy Mayor for Policing was absent (possibly on hols I suppose) and Cressida D ick [1](the Commissioner) didn't look terribly impressive. Again she's new in the job so is still learning but I'd have expected something a bit more "high profile" and reassuring and we've had nowt. I'm not exactly thrilled at Walthamstow becoming a new gun and knife "centre of excellence" nor having section 60 extended search powers imposed by the police. I don't have kids to worry about but I'm not enamoured at the possibility of ending up in gun crossfire if I pop down the road to Tesco at night. [1] ridiculous auto correct feature. Her surname is D i c k not Richard.
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Post by snowman on May 2, 2018 11:11:36 GMT
London Datastore has been updated
Period 13 (28 days) journeys Bus 176.5m Underground 105.3m DLR 8.7m Tram 2.2m Overground 15.1m Airline 0.06m
Year 2017-18 (13 periods) Bus 2247.4m Underground 1356.7m DLR 119.6m Tram 29.1m Overground 190.1m Airline 1.4m
Period 13 figures are not great for comparison with earlier years as different length (to always finish on 31st March) and affected by variable Easter dates
Bus (1st April-31 March) for comparison 2013-14 2382.4m 2014-15 2385.2m 2015-16 2314.1m 2016-17 2261.8m 2017-18 2247.4m
so lower than last year and nearly 6% down on few years back note this is journey volume, not fares yield, due to Hopper expansion probably nearer 10% revenue fall (adjusting for fare changes)
There has been a mode change over last few years, used to be that Bus was over double the Underground, it has now fallen to 1.65 times the Underground journeys.
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Post by snoggle on May 2, 2018 12:28:22 GMT
Just by way of an interesting comparison I'll list below TfL's past forecasts, in business plans over the last few years, for bus patronage in 2017/18. Business Plan 2013 - 2,495m pass jnys Mileage - 500m kms Business Plan 2014 - 2,502m pass jnys Mileage - 504m kms Business Plan 2016/17 - 2,310m pass jnys Mileage - 497m kms Business Plan 2017/18 - 2,230m pass jnys Mileage - 486m kms Note the last number. This is the one TfL will use to compare against what has happened and, hey presto, we've done 17.4m *better* than we thought we would. Isn't everything wonderful? Should I get a job at the City Hall PR department? Never mind that we are 250m pass jnys lower than we thought just a few years ago!! On the mileage issue we obviously don't have a published volume for 2017/18 but I suspect it will be rather lower than 486m kms
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2018 11:19:29 GMT
TfL have published preliminary year end results for 2017/18 to go to next week's Board Meeting. A few snippets Tube - Revenue £121m adrift at £2,632m vs the budget of £2,753m. That's pretty dire. Pass jnys are 55m lower than budget at 1,357m Overground - Revenue of £225m against a budget of £248m so £23m down. Pass jnys at 190m against a budget of 203m Buses - 2,247m pass jnys, 47m more than (the much reduced) budget number. Told you they'd say it was all wonderful against budget. Still down on the previous year though! Revenue was £17m ahead of budget at £1,453m DLR - pass jnys of 120m against a target of 124m and revenues of £168m against a budget of £171m so not too bad. The two day DLR strike lost them £1m. TfL Rail - pass jnys of 45m against a budget of 47m and revenues of £83m against a budget of £91m which is not quite so good. Trams - spot on budget for both pass jnys and revenue which is a credible performance in the aftermath of tragic events on Tramlink. It is clear that TfL have taken the axe to staffing levels and have deferred maintenance spend and a range of capital budgets like replacing bus shelters, replacing NB4L batteries and have pushed other work into later years in the hope that finances will improve by then. They also cite "economic factors" as sitting behind the lower than expected revenue numbers - that's only going to get vastly worse IMO. If TfL keeps getting worse than budget financial returns on revenue it is going to be in very serious trouble as you can't get keep cutting costs without affecting service levels or the ability of the organisation to actually do what it is supposed to do and to do it to a decent standard. Here is another bit of "back slapping" from TfL about bus services (from the annual update on the Mayor's Transport Strategy) As TfL don't bother to tell anyone what measures they have undertaken on bus priority can anyone name any? I can think of three - a permitted right turn for the 274 near Camden Rd, the bus lane near IKEA Neasden and that right turn they introduced in SE London (out Erith way) that removed the need to go round a roundabout. Any others? I wish TfL would be more open about BPP works.
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Post by vjaska on May 16, 2018 13:21:30 GMT
TfL have published preliminary year end results for 2017/18 to go to next week's Board Meeting. A few snippets Tube - Revenue £121m adrift at £2,632m vs the budget of £2,753m. That's pretty dire. Pass jnys are 55m lower than budget at 1,357m Overground - Revenue of £225m against a budget of £248m so £23m down. Pass jnys at 190m against a budget of 203m Buses - 2,247m pass jnys, 47m more than (the much reduced) budget number. Told you they'd say it was all wonderful against budget. Still down on the previous year though! Revenue was £17m ahead of budget at £1,453m DLR - pass jnys of 120m against a target of 124m and revenues of £168m against a budget of £171m so not too bad. The two day DLR strike lost them £1m. TfL Rail - pass jnys of 45m against a budget of 47m and revenues of £83m against a budget of £91m which is not quite so good. Trams - spot on budget for both pass jnys and revenue which is a credible performance in the aftermath of tragic events on Tramlink. It is clear that TfL have taken the axe to staffing levels and have deferred maintenance spend and a range of capital budgets like replacing bus shelters, replacing NB4L batteries and have pushed other work into later years in the hope that finances will improve by then. They also cite "economic factors" as sitting behind the lower than expected revenue numbers - that's only going to get vastly worse IMO. If TfL keeps getting worse than budget financial returns on revenue it is going to be in very serious trouble as you can't get keep cutting costs without affecting service levels or the ability of the organisation to actually do what it is supposed to do and to do it to a decent standard. Here is another bit of "back slapping" from TfL about bus services (from the annual update on the Mayor's Transport Strategy) As TfL don't bother to tell anyone what measures they have undertaken on bus priority can anyone name any? I can think of three - a permitted right turn for the 274 near Camden Rd, the bus lane near IKEA Neasden and that right turn they introduced in SE London (out Erith way) that removed the need to go round a roundabout. Any others? I wish TfL would be more open about BPP works. The bus lane on Stockwell Road has no traffic lights for buses whilst an extra set was introduced for other traffic allowing buses to move ahead for the main lights at Stockwell Station (though this was delivered with the Stockwell junction works so not sure if its counts) I can't think of any others - meanwhile, it would be great if they could modify the signals at the Brixton Police Station junction so that more than one bus can actually get through the very short signal timing for the contraflow bus lane. Oh and a right turn for the 35 & 355 & the ability to cross the Lambeth Town Hall junction for the P5 omitting the one way system would be great - does require modifying the island on Acre Lane for this to work mind.
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Post by Hassaan on May 16, 2018 14:07:15 GMT
Being cynical, could "bus priority" include getting rid of bus stop lay-bys by building out the kerb? Doing that would allow buses to approach stops a bit faster and allow them to leave easily, even if it blocks the road for other traffic (including buses behind).
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 16, 2018 15:32:20 GMT
Being cynical, could "bus priority" include getting rid of bus stop lay-bys by building out the kerb? Doing that would allow buses to approach stops a bit faster and allow them to leave easily, even if it blocks the road for other traffic (including buses behind). That's what "Bus priority" on the ELT meant back in 2010, although that heavily backfired as buses would instead get delayed by a bus in front stopping at stops.
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Post by rj131 on May 16, 2018 17:28:08 GMT
Seems relevant to put it here: do we know then the bus usage figures for 2017/18 will be coming in? Last year I seem to recall the figures were out on May 8th (don’t quote me on that), so this year it seems to be rather later. I’m more than prepared to bet that the 18 (and possibly even the 29 but maybe a long shot) will overtake the 25 as the busiest route.
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Post by snowman on May 16, 2018 18:07:36 GMT
TfL have published preliminary year end results for 2017/18 to go to next week's Board Meeting. A few snippets Tube - Revenue £121m adrift at £2,632m vs the budget of £2,753m. That's pretty dire. Pass jnys are 55m lower than budget at 1,357m Overground - Revenue of £225m against a budget of £248m so £23m down. Pass jnys at 190m against a budget of 203m Buses - 2,247m pass jnys, 47m more than (the much reduced) budget number. Told you they'd say it was all wonderful against budget. Still down on the previous year though! Revenue was £17m ahead of budget at £1,453m DLR - pass jnys of 120m against a target of 124m and revenues of £168m against a budget of £171m so not too bad. The two day DLR strike lost them £1m. TfL Rail - pass jnys of 45m against a budget of 47m and revenues of £83m against a budget of £91m which is not quite so good. Trams - spot on budget for both pass jnys and revenue which is a credible performance in the aftermath of tragic events on Tramlink. It is clear that TfL have taken the axe to staffing levels and have deferred maintenance spend and a range of capital budgets like replacing bus shelters, replacing NB4L batteries and have pushed other work into later years in the hope that finances will improve by then. They also cite "economic factors" as sitting behind the lower than expected revenue numbers - that's only going to get vastly worse IMO. If TfL keeps getting worse than budget financial returns on revenue it is going to be in very serious trouble as you can't get keep cutting costs without affecting service levels or the ability of the organisation to actually do what it is supposed to do and to do it to a decent standard. Here is another bit of "back slapping" from TfL about bus services (from the annual update on the Mayor's Transport Strategy) As TfL don't bother to tell anyone what measures they have undertaken on bus priority can anyone name any? I can think of three - a permitted right turn for the 274 near Camden Rd, the bus lane near IKEA Neasden and that right turn they introduced in SE London (out Erith way) that removed the need to go round a roundabout. Any others? I wish TfL would be more open about BPP works. The part of the financial report that I find very telling is the capital spending, where some has been reprofiled into later years (what a poncy term for delayed) page 8 and the balance sheet notes on page 13 give big clues, £62m loss on Earls Court redevelopment, £20m loan write off for unbuilt garden bridge, £102m lower Crossrail CIL levy and S102 contributions etc And the buses being better than budget, what’s the note on page 6, bullet point 2, improved ticket machine reliability, is that code for fewer people got an unrecorded free ride ? On page 7 costs have “Bus operating costs were £14m (one per cent) higher than budget, principally as a result of higher incentivisation bonuses due to improved bus reliability (£12m) and service changes not being realised in full until contract re-tender (£11m). These were partially offset by a reprofiling of expenditure in line with the delivery of the Low Emission Bus Zones (£4m) and savings on hybrid and electric bus premiums for routes in the Ultra Low Emission Zone (£3m)”. Is this admission (hidden in middle of long sentence) that low emission bus zones are delayed Incidentally I hate the PR spin term in 4.12 of stabilised and improving, its one or the other, not both content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20180523-item06-finance-report-p13.pdf
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2018 18:45:18 GMT
The part of the financial report that I find very telling is the capital spending, where some has been reprofiled into later years (what a poncy term for delayed) page 8 and the balance sheet notes on page 13 give big clues, £62m loss on Earls Court redevelopment, £20m loan write off for unbuilt garden bridge, £102m lower Crossrail CIL levy and S102 contributions etc And the buses being better than budget, what’s the note on page 6, bullet point 2, improved ticket machine reliability, is that code for fewer people got an unrecorded free ride ? On page 7 costs have “Bus operating costs were £14m (one per cent) higher than budget, principally as a result of higher incentivisation bonuses due to improved bus reliability (£12m) and service changes not being realised in full until contract re-tender (£11m). These were partially offset by a reprofiling of expenditure in line with the delivery of the Low Emission Bus Zones (£4m) and savings on hybrid and electric bus premiums for routes in the Ultra Low Emission Zone (£3m)”. Is this admission (hidden in middle of long sentence) that low emission bus zones are delayed Incidentally I hate the PR spin term in 4.12 of stabilised and improving, its one or the other, not both content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20180523-item06-finance-report-p13.pdfOh sure - not going to disagree with any of that. The shuffling / cutting of the capital budget is a long time LU / LT and now TfL tactic. Clearly the past year has been a nightmare and now we're at year end the reality can't be avoided because it HAS to be reported in the annual report and accounts. I did have the same cynical reaction to the "improved ticket machine reliability" comment under buses. The other way of looking at it is that reliability must have been really bad for improvements to have made a material financial difference! The service change comment also suggests that the operators are playing hard ball when it comes to reducing their contract costs without the pressure of competition. An alternative view is that TfL's procurement people are under such pressure that they can't deliver the deals that the TfL corporate machine expects. Not good either way round and I'm not besmirching anyone by saying that. It must be hell trying to cope with the volume of change.
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Post by snoggle on May 30, 2018 22:58:20 GMT
Period 1 numbers for the new financial year 2018/19 have been published in the London Datastore. TfL Rail stats have now been added and also backdated to when TfL took over the service. Pass Jnys Bus 166.3m Tube 103.7m Overground 14.7m DLR 9.4m Tram 1.9m TfL Rail 3.5m With the exception of the Overground (no change) and TfL Rail (slight increase) these numbers are all lower than for Period 1 last year. As ever one period's numbers don't tell you very much and the timing of Easter always causes a blip in these early numbers. Even if I compare P13 and P1 totals from a year ago with the most recent two periods the numbers are all down on last year with the same exceptions of Overground and TfL Rail. TfL Rail period numbers seem to range somewhere between 3.4m to 3.8m pass jnys. Recent years are lower than previously - I assume because of the very extensive programme of weekend and holiday closures on the line to prepare for Crossrail.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 7, 2018 23:24:59 GMT
TfL now seem to have updated the bus performance data (not patronage ) up to the end of Q4 2017/18. There are a series of graphs and reports on this page. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/buses-performance-dataLooking at the long term trends 2016/17 into 2017/18 marks the first fall in both scheduled and operated bus kilometrage since 1993/4. Operated KMs dipped slightly in 2014/15. Well done everyone. Other performance metrics seem to be improving a little but they're still worse than several years ago. TfL's own commentary says bus speeds are now better in Inner London than in Outer London which seems a bit counter intuitive but I guess it shows the problems they face in pushing performance in more car dominated areas. The customer satisfaction scores for Q4 are worse last (financial) year than the preceding two years scores for the same quarter. Interestingly safety at bus stops, safety on the bus and information provision scores have all dropped. On the bus operator league tables Arriva and Go Ahead are doing well on high frequency day routes. RATP not so well as before. Sullivan Buses look to be struggling badly with their newly won work - bottom of both high and frequency performance league tables. That's not a sustainable position if they are losing money across their route portfolio.
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