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Post by Alexis on Nov 9, 2016 7:22:03 GMT
Trump has basically won the election... He hasn't won it yet but it's looking pretty likely. First Brexit, now this.😥
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Post by planesandtrains on Nov 9, 2016 8:16:27 GMT
A real shame, and the senate and house of representatives is filled with republicans as well...
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Post by snoggle on Nov 9, 2016 13:10:44 GMT
The problem Mr Trump now faces is how he can deliver what he promised. He will face enormous difficulties and pressures from the rest of the world. He can't press a switch and recreate US steel plants, car plants and coal mines. If he tries to erect protective tariffs then other countries, like China, will retaliate and block US businesses. This is a classic case of people believing simplistic messages and thinking the world will just bend to their will. It won't and it can't. And as for domestic politics - I can see horrific problems there and I don't see that Trump has the character and experience to cope with what he will be bombarded with. What's he going to say if there are racial problems? "Kill the blacks"? "Bring on the lynch mobs"? "Evict the muslims"? Some of his supporters would probably love that but he won't be able to do or say those things. The reality of being President is going to be very tough for him given what we've seen of his character over the last 18 months. And as for international relations Putin must be laughing his head off. He can now act with impunity wherever he likes because his newly elected "friend" won't want to upset him by challenging him over his actions. Trump's got the weight of a lot of American's expectations on his shoulders and I think there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people in a few years time when he can't deliver on his promises on jobs and "making America great again". The Democrats have a lot of thinking to do given Hillary's failure despite small gains in the Senate and House of Representatives. I was unnerved in the last few days when Clinton was having all these glitzy celebrity endorsed gatherings and all Trump said was "I'm here I don't need x, y and z" to come on stage. Clinton's bash felt like a US version of Kinnock's infamous Sheffield rally during the 1992 general election. Hillary's speech weeks ago when she criticised voters supporting Trump also felt like an appalling error - you don't insult half the electorate and there not be consequences. Obviously there a load of other things if you read the media and I'm not American nor have I been to the states for many years so I may well be "off beam" but they're the things that struck me. Now where can I get a stock of poisons? - just to have on standby in case Donald presses the "nuke the UK and Europe" button in late January.    |
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Post by COBO on Nov 9, 2016 13:29:49 GMT
This US has taught me that people are stupid and will lap up anything politicians will say and not question it.
I don't think Donald Trump will follow any policy's I.e banning Muslims and building a wall etc.
I think there will a lot of angry Americans when they realise this and America will be the laughing stock of the world.
Trump please don't sue me.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 9, 2016 15:03:59 GMT
Sadly, America lived up to their 'dunce hat' stereotype and voted in a horrifying person in Donald Trump. And to show just how bad it was, there were even African Americans, Latinos & Woman voting for him!
We all thought 'Dubya' was bad - come back, all is forgiven.....sort of.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 9, 2016 15:48:32 GMT
A political 9/11*
* - 9/11/16
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Post by LX09FBJ on Nov 9, 2016 16:09:53 GMT
RIP decent American leadership
1/20/2009 - 1/20/2017
Still although we've managed eight years of Bush, he had some clout and political experience.
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Post by ibus246 on Nov 9, 2016 18:39:30 GMT
The problem Mr Trump now faces is how he can deliver what he promised. He will face enormous difficulties and pressures from the rest of the world. He can't press a switch and recreate US steel plants, car plants and coal mines. If he tries to erect protective tariffs then other countries, like China, will retaliate and block US businesses. This is a classic case of people believing simplistic messages and thinking the world will just bend to their will. It won't and it can't. And as for domestic politics - I can see horrific problems there and I don't see that Trump has the character and experience to cope with what he will be bombarded with. What's he going to say if there are racial problems? "Kill the blacks"? "Bring on the lynch mobs"? "Evict the muslims"? Some of his supporters would probably love that but he won't be able to do or say those things. The reality of being President is going to be very tough for him given what we've seen of his character over the last 18 months. And as for international relations Putin must be laughing his head off. He can now act with impunity wherever he likes because his newly elected "friend" won't want to upset him by challenging him over his actions. Trump's got the weight of a lot of American's expectations on his shoulders and I think there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people in a few years time when he can't deliver on his promises on jobs and "making America great again". The Democrats have a lot of thinking to do given Hillary's failure despite small gains in the Senate and House of Representatives. I was unnerved in the last few days when Clinton was having all these glitzy celebrity endorsed gatherings and all Trump said was "I'm here I don't need x, y and z" to come on stage. Clinton's bash felt like a US version of Kinnock's infamous Sheffield rally during the 1992 general election. Hillary's speech weeks ago when she criticised voters supporting Trump also felt like an appalling error - you don't insult half the electorate and there not be consequences. Obviously there a load of other things if you read the media and I'm not American nor have I been to the states for many years so I may well be "off beam" but they're the things that struck me. Now where can I get a stock of poisons? - just to have on standby in case Donald presses the "nuke the UK and Europe" button in late January. Sorry on phone so can't just quote one sentence. I must agree that yes, this is remarkably similar to the 92 Sheffield rally where Kinnock was in a somewhat triumph mode then to be defeated. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 9, 2016 19:17:23 GMT
Sadly, America lived up to their 'dunce hat' stereotype and voted in a horrifying person in Donald Trump. And to show just how bad it was, there were even African Americans, Latinos & Woman voting for him! We all thought 'Dubya' was bad - come back, all is forgiven.....sort of. People here and in the US may well think he is "horrifying". The problem is that loads of Americans don't. Significant parts of the states have no time for equality, tolerance, immigration etc. They see things through a narrow prism of religion, national identity and "right". A lot of America is also fairly insular because the States are such a big place it's tough enough keeping up with domestic events never mind worrying about international ones. We have a very different perspective simply because other countries are that much nearer. The fact that almost every country in the world, and the US especially, has developed off the back of waves of immigration seems to escape the current generations who demand that politicians "look after their own" when the reality is that we're almost all descended from immigrants of one sort or another. That's very true for the USA but it seems not to register one jot. What's interesting is that Clinton picked up votes from the two lowest "earning bands" in the US. Trump had a majority in each earning band above those two so perhaps they were simply voting on the basis of self interest - like almost everyone does when they vote in an election regardless of the country. In reality those Americans are no more stupid than anyone else as it looks like they've decided to vote as everyone does "what's in it for me and my family". I also don't buy the argument that most UK voters are any more informed or sophisticated that US ones. Our politics are now as stage mananged and controlled as US politics and there's no more discussion of real issues here than there. It's just a "political beauty contest" with a set of pre-determined messages / catch phrases that are rammed at the electorate in the hope they stick and make people vote one political way. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 9, 2016 21:17:24 GMT
The problem Mr Trump now faces is how he can deliver what he promised. He will face enormous difficulties and pressures from the rest of the world. He can't press a switch and recreate US steel plants, car plants and coal mines. If he tries to erect protective tariffs then other countries, like China, will retaliate and block US businesses. This is a classic case of people believing simplistic messages and thinking the world will just bend to their will. It won't and it can't. And as for domestic politics - I can see horrific problems there and I don't see that Trump has the character and experience to cope with what he will be bombarded with. What's he going to say if there are racial problems? "Kill the blacks"? "Bring on the lynch mobs"? "Evict the muslims"? Some of his supporters would probably love that but he won't be able to do or say those things. The reality of being President is going to be very tough for him given what we've seen of his character over the last 18 months. And as for international relations Putin must be laughing his head off. He can now act with impunity wherever he likes because his newly elected "friend" won't want to upset him by challenging him over his actions. Trump's got the weight of a lot of American's expectations on his shoulders and I think there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people in a few years time when he can't deliver on his promises on jobs and "making America great again". The Democrats have a lot of thinking to do given Hillary's failure despite small gains in the Senate and House of Representatives. I was unnerved in the last few days when Clinton was having all these glitzy celebrity endorsed gatherings and all Trump said was "I'm here I don't need x, y and z" to come on stage. Clinton's bash felt like a US version of Kinnock's infamous Sheffield rally during the 1992 general election. Hillary's speech weeks ago when she criticised voters supporting Trump also felt like an appalling error - you don't insult half the electorate and there not be consequences. Obviously there a load of other things if you read the media and I'm not American nor have I been to the states for many years so I may well be "off beam" but they're the things that struck me. Now where can I get a stock of poisons? - just to have on standby in case Donald presses the "nuke the UK and Europe" button in late January. These are many of the reasons that people like Trump flourish even though he wouldn't even probably deliver 5% of the promises he makes. People are fedup and tired of the poo we get from many of the political party candidates. I really doo not see the kill the blacks, lynch mob idealistic coming from the lefty's. I am more of a middle ground person and am also fedup with the crap spewed out on a daily basis by organisations such as the BBC trying to paint and dictate a fake picture of reality and always going to the minority and making their voice heard more than anything else. It is sad that it takes someone like Trump to listen to these forgotten people. How many times do you see it over here when it comes to election going to certain neighbourhoods to tick boxes then don't go back to them until time for re-election. Then they wonder why the riots in Tottenham happened. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 9, 2016 21:53:36 GMT
These are many of the reasons that people like Trump flourish even though he wouldn't even probably deliver 5% of the promises he makes. People are fedup and tired of the sh*t we get from many of the political party candidates. I really doo not see the kill the blacks, lynch mob idealistic coming from the lefty's. I am more of a middle ground person and am also fedup with the crap spewed out on a daily basis by organisations such as the BBC trying to paint and dictate a fake picture of reality and always going to the minority and making their voice heard more than anything else. It is sad that it takes someone like Trump to listen to these forgotten people. How many times do you see it over here when it comes to election going to certain neighbourhoods to tick boxes then don't go back to them until time for re-election. Then they wonder why the riots in Tottenham happened. You - middle ground? I thought that Ghengis Khan was your best friend.  I've never considered you to be centrist - definitely to the right based on your views and remarks here and elsewhere. There are other television news providers than the BBC if you don't like it. You see I'd take the view that the BBC has been cowed by the government and that it has given a ludicrously disproportionate amount of time to UKIP and Farage for example. I used to watch the Daily Politics and UKIP were on every other day. Considering they have one MP their coverage is completely out of kilter relative to other main parties including the Lib Dems, Green Party and SNP and NI parties given they all have sitting MPs (excl Sinn Fein). I've no idea how the American public are represented in the national government and whether their represenatives in the Senate / House of Representatives have any form of constituency workload. Of course the US has the State structure with a lot of law making and taxation made at that level. Coming back to the UK then, yes, you only see Ministers etc when campaigning, launching something or in the aftermath of a damaging event. However there are constituency MPs and all of them seem to have huge workloads in helping their constituents (regardless of whether they voted for the MP or not). I wouldn't want to have David Lammy's workload (MP for Tottenham). Something tells me Donald Trump won't be visiting all the states and towns / cities that he campaigned in when he is the President. He'll have more than enough to do. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 9, 2016 21:58:01 GMT
Sadly, America lived up to their 'dunce hat' stereotype and voted in a horrifying person in Donald Trump. And to show just how bad it was, there were even African Americans, Latinos & Woman voting for him! We all thought 'Dubya' was bad - come back, all is forgiven.....sort of. People here and in the US may well think he is "horrifying". The problem is that loads of Americans don't. Significant parts of the states have no time for equality, tolerance, immigration etc. They see things through a narrow prism of religion, national identity and "right". A lot of American is also fairly insular because the States are such a big place it's tough enough keeping up with domestic events never mind worrying about international ones. We have a very different perspective simply because other countries are that much nearer. The fact that almost every country in the world, and the US especially, has developed off the back of waves of immigration seems to escape the current generations who demand that politicians "look after their own" when the reality is that we're almost all descended from immigrants of one sort or another. That's very true for the USA but it seems not to register one jot. What's interesting is that Clinton picked up votes from the two lowest "earning bands" in the US. Trump had a majority in each earning band above those two so perhaps they were simply voting on the basis of self interest - like almost everyone does when they vote in an election regardless of the country. In reality those Americans are no more stupid than anyone else as it looks like they've decided to vote as everyone does "what's in it for me and my family". I also don't buy the argument that most UK voters are any more informed or sophisticated that US ones. Our politics are now as stage mananged and controlled as US politics and there's no more discussion of real issues here than there. It's just a "political beauty contest" with a set of pre-determined messages / catch phrases that are rammed at the electorate in the hope they stick and make people vote one political way. You have a point.I guess we all gullible to the lies that politicians tells us. |
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Post by sid on Nov 11, 2016 8:24:04 GMT
Donald Trump, love him or loathe him, isn't afraid to rattle a few cages. I think people are sick and tired of politicians who are bound up by political correctness.
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I've never considered you to be centrist - definitely to the right based on your views and remarks here and elsewhere.