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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 22, 2019 9:31:33 GMT
True, plus V will have space available from the 27. Even if RP has enough space as well, V could make sense as 27 drivers coule stay at the same garage for the 266. Also means the 266 & E3 could share a common fleet of ADHs. Sharing a common fleet between 266 and E3 is one of the reasons I think it will go to V. Will be strange for V going down to just one LT route after always having two. However, for both the 266 and E3 to have full ADH allocations, the 293's vehicle would need to transfer back to V (could be replaced at EB by a further SP from the 65).
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 22, 2019 10:50:53 GMT
A rough calculation and guesstimation of spare and the amount of SPs on the 183 come to around 133 SPs still being needed by next year. What may become spare from the 81 and 94 are a drop in the ocean (particulary when the 266 already is needing 23 of them) meaning a solution of either upgrade or full scale replacement.
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Post by george on Apr 23, 2019 7:18:49 GMT
The 609 is back so was just suspended for Easter break.
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Post by snowman on Apr 23, 2019 8:26:10 GMT
The 609 is back so was just suspended for Easter break. Not sure what is going on. Very confusing LVF has 3 buses, one worked for zero minutes, one for 3 minutes, one for 39 minutes Clearly not a full 3 bus service Meanwhile TfL website Hammersmith Bridge Page continues to show 609 as Service Withdrawn
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Post by rif153 on Apr 23, 2019 15:29:23 GMT
The 609 is back so was just suspended for Easter break. Not sure what is going on. Very confusing LVF has 3 buses, one worked for zero minutes, one for 3 minutes, one for 39 minutes Clearly not a full 3 bus service Meanwhile TfL website Hammersmith Bridge Page continues to show 609 as Service Withdrawn Futhermore this page: tfl.gov.uk/bus/route/609/ comes up as in a error state
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Post by thelondonthing on Apr 23, 2019 16:05:55 GMT
Interesting - I hadn't seen that, so it must have happened over the last 3 or 4 days since I last checked that page. Previously, that 609 page was loading as normal - so normal, in fact, that there was no reference at all to the bridge closure, or to any disruption or interruption of service. I shouldn't be surprised by this unravelling shitshow, but I still find myself repeatedly facepalming over how poorly TfL continues to handle the simple task of communicating basic information.
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Post by Nathan on Apr 23, 2019 17:14:35 GMT
The 609 is back so was just suspended for Easter break. Not sure what is going on. Very confusing LVF has 3 buses, one worked for zero minutes, one for 3 minutes, one for 39 minutes Clearly not a full 3 bus service Meanwhile TfL website Hammersmith Bridge Page continues to show 609 as Service Withdrawn It seems that the route has also been wiped off the face of the API. No trace of it from what I can see. That would explain why the route page doesn't exist.
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Post by snowman on Apr 23, 2019 18:47:02 GMT
It appears that the TfL bus status pages now show the 72 as running to Shepherds Bush Green (rather than Shepherds Bush) Clearly no one told the drivers as both are being shown as destinations on LVF
A limited overnight service will operate each night beyond Shepherds Bush Green to East Acton, between 0130 and 0430 northbound (times at Shepherds Bush Green) and between 0035 and 0330 southbound (times at East Acton).
Not sure why the operating hours are 1 hour later northbound for night service compared to Southbound unless it allows about 40 minutes layover (except first and last night working)
The associated route maps still show the Hammersmith Bridge routing, presumably these take longer to update than the text.
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Post by Jack on Apr 23, 2019 19:15:40 GMT
The 209/609 are interlinked...I imagine the morning buses got to their desto and the schedule knew their next route should be the 609 hence it was in countdown and thus on LVF if new schedules haven't been uploaded
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 23, 2019 20:44:19 GMT
I wonder when we will hear about the changes mentioned in this week's LOTS. As they are not necessarily going to be permanent they won't need a consultation I guess.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 23, 2019 20:53:29 GMT
I wonder when we will hear about the changes mentioned in this week's LOTS. As they are not necessarily going to be permanent they won't need a consultation I guess. There would be chaos if TFL were to consult. First of all it would take months to enforce the changes and secondly TFL can't appease everyone I'm sure lots of people would object if it went out to consultation and depending on the power of the lobby TFL could be forced to back down. I don't usually say this but thank god this isn't going out to consultation. I think TFL won't put double deckers on the 33 or 72 despite the temporary changes, TFL don't know how long it will take for the bridge to be repaired and as it is RATP have many buses that won't be compliant for the ULEZ in 2020, even putting ADEs on the 33/72 released from the loss of the 81 could mean having to hang on to more SPs for longer something TFL won't be keen to see given the expense of upgrading SPs to EuroVI. The best we could hope for is extra SDs, AV could hang onto their MCLs for a little longer allowing some existing SDs at AV to be transferred to S for the 72, bit of a longshot though
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Post by thelondonthing on Apr 24, 2019 4:46:09 GMT
TfL has now replaced its embarrassingly poor 'where to catch your bus' map - which overlooked the 72's curtailment to Shepherd's Bush, and ignored the 419 entirely - with a new 'Bus Changes' graphic, complete with a giant exclamation mark. Attachment DeletedThe new graphic rights those previous wrongs, as well as including the most recent day/night service alterations on the 72. The eagle-eyed among you may also have spotted a new dedicated URL for the ongoing chaos at tfl.gov.uk/hammersmith-bridge (which simply redirects users to the Hammersmith Bridge Closure page that we all know and loathe). And alas, we already knew of its demise, but R.I.P. 609. One question lingers: does the publication of this new map mean that the dust has settled a bit, and that this might be the extent of any changes - at least for a while?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 24, 2019 5:31:07 GMT
My guess of the changes will be gains on some routes and loses on others. I predict the 209 to Putney Bridge via the 265, maybe with a diversion via Wetlands or the 265 diverted via it, the 485 suspended and maybe the 265 extended to Wandsworth. 33 will remain to Hammersmith Bridge ad there is still demand to travel from Barnes to Richmond and beyond (and the 190, 267 and 391) provide direct links to Hammersmith from the areas on the 33. The 72 will probably continue via Chiswick Bridge with maybe an N prefix to East Acton.
Not sure about 419. It has some purpose from Richmond to Mortlake but apart form that it's a carbon of the 209 (bar the back streets in Barnes which I'd have thought would have been more to link the back streets with Hammersmith not Richmond) so could be pulled out of the area and maybe the 110 will extend to just Mortlake.
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Post by george on Apr 24, 2019 6:45:07 GMT
My guess of the changes will be gains on some routes and loses on others. I predict the 209 to Putney Bridge via the 265, maybe with a diversion via Wetlands or the 265 diverted via it, the 485 suspended and maybe the 265 extended to Wandsworth. 33 will remain to Hammersmith Bridge ad there is still demand to travel from Barnes to Richmond and beyond (and the 190, 267 and 391) provide direct links to Hammersmith from the areas on the 33. The 72 will probably continue via Chiswick Bridge with maybe an N prefix to East Acton. Not sure about 419. It has some purpose from Richmond to Mortlake but apart form that it's a carbon of the 209 (bar the back streets in Barnes which I'd have thought would have been more to link the back streets with Hammersmith not Richmond) so could be pulled out of the area and maybe the 110 will extend to just Mortlake. Think those changes are the most likely but the only areas the that 190 and 391 share with the 33 is Richmond, for the 267 it's fulwell/Twickenham so you still got teddington and east sheen that's only served by the 33 to Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 7:31:13 GMT
TfL has now replaced its embarrassingly poor 'where to catch your bus' map - which overlooked the 72's curtailment to Shepherd's Bush, and ignored the 419 entirely - with a new 'Bus Changes' graphic, complete with a giant exclamation mark. View AttachmentThe new graphic rights those previous wrongs, as well as including the most recent day/night service alterations on the 72. The eagle-eyed among you may also have spotted a new dedicated URL for the ongoing chaos at tfl.gov.uk/hammersmith-bridge (which simply redirects users to the Hammersmith Bridge Closure page that we all know and loathe). And alas, we already knew of its demise, but R.I.P. 609. One question lingers: does the publication of this new map mean that the dust has settled a bit, and that this might be the extent of any changes - at least for a while? 609 appears to be running in LVF.
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