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Post by Gellico on Sept 4, 2017 19:16:10 GMT
Off to Uni in 12 days now and just looking at vehicle types that are not going to last much longer in London service. So far I have trips planned for the Nimbuses, Marshall Capitals and Wright Cadets. What other types have less than 30 in service?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 4, 2017 19:28:18 GMT
Off to Uni in 12 days now and just looking at vehicle types that are not going to last much longer in London service. So far I have trips planned for the Nimbuses, Marshall Capitals and Wright Cadets. What other types have less than 30 in service? The Mk 1 DW's are very thin on the ground with a number at TC and DW145 hanging on at GR. Scania Omnidekkas are also in short supply with just the 267, 292 & 405 with allocations.
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2017 19:42:18 GMT
Plaxton President / Alexander ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TLs. After January 2018 only the 123 and 128 will be only routes with VLAs. The numbers of PVLs, VPs, VLPs and VPLs are going down fast.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 4, 2017 19:51:22 GMT
Off to Uni in 12 days now and just looking at vehicle types that are not going to last much longer in London service. So far I have trips planned for the Nimbuses, Marshall Capitals and Wright Cadets. What other types have less than 30 in service? You might have noticed this already, but you've created two identical threads, and you've now had replies on both! One of them needs to go... To add to your list, there are only a handful of B7TL / Myllennium Vykings left (with Sullivan), but they're usually only allocated to school routes so may be difficult to ride.
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Post by M1199 on Sept 4, 2017 20:14:03 GMT
Abellio's 8440, the last euro_2 Dennis Dart on the TfL network!
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Post by Hassaan on Sept 4, 2017 20:18:02 GMT
President-bodied Tridents. Since the beginning of last year there have only been 3 left in TfL service: Sullivan PDL26, TPL926 and TPL927. Unfortunately they're usually on school routes, unless they escape into a rail replacement service operated by them.
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Post by busman on Sept 5, 2017 0:57:33 GMT
Off to Uni in 12 days now and just looking at vehicle types that are not going to last much longer in London service. So far I have trips planned for the Nimbuses, Marshall Capitals and Wright Cadets. What other types have less than 30 in service? I pulled some data from the latest TfL fleet list (30th June) and identified the following bus types that had less than 30 vehicles in London ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus Irizar i2e / Irizar i2e Optare Metrodecker / Optare Metrodecker Optare Versa Hybrid / Optare Versa Hybrid VDL SB180 / MCV C102RLE Volvo B7TL / East Lancs Myllenium Viking Volvo B7TL / Optare Metrocity EV ADL Dart / Caetano Nimbus ADL Dart / East Lancs Esteem ADL Dart / Marshall Capital ADL Dart / MCV Evolution ADL Enviro 200H / ADL Enviro 200 AEC Routemaster / PRV Routemaster BYD K8SR / BYD DD Electric DAF SB120 / Wrightbus Cadet DAF SB120 / Wrightbus Pulsar Dennis Trident 2 / Plaxton President MAN 14.240 / MCV Evolution Optare MetroCity / Optare MetroCity Optare Metrocity EV / Optare Metrocity EV Optare Solo / Optare Solo SR Optare Tempo / Optare Tempo Scania N230UD / ADL Enviro 400H Scania N230UD / Optare Olympus Scania N94 / East Lancs OmniDekka Scania Omincity / ADL Omincity Scania Omnitown N94UB / East Lancs Esteem VDL DB300 / Wrightbus Gemini 3 VDL ISE Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Wrightbus Pulsar Volvo B5LH / Wrightbus NRM Short Volvo B7TL / East Lancs OmniDekka Volvo B9TL / ADL Enviro 400 Wrightbus Streetdeck / Wrightbus Gemini 3 The full list of vehicles of those types is here ---disclaimer--- it ain't perfect. The list still contains withdrawn buses such as OM1: Attachment DeletedI have identified 3 types as on the verge of extinction, with 1 type remaining in London. They may have even been withdrawn from service already. Registration Number | Fleet Number | Operator | Garage | Make & Model | Last Seen (LVF Data) | LT02NUK | DMN1 | Go Ahead | Northumberland Park | ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus | 11th Aug, Route W4 | OP07ARE | HOV1 | Quality Line | Epsom | Optare Versa Hybrid | 14th June, Route 411 | YJ60GGC | MDL1 | Go Ahead | Blue Triangle | VDL SB180 / MCV C102RLE | 22 May, Route 648 |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2017 1:25:21 GMT
Off to Uni in 12 days now and just looking at vehicle types that are not going to last much longer in London service. So far I have trips planned for the Nimbuses, Marshall Capitals and Wright Cadets. What other types have less than 30 in service? I pulled some data from the latest TfL fleet list (30th June) and identified the following bus types that had less than 30 vehicles in London ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus Volvo B7TL / Optare Metrocity EV DAF SB120 / Wrightbus Pulsar Scania N230UD / ADL Enviro 400H Scania Omincity / ADL Omincity VDL DB300 / Wrightbus Gemini 3 Volvo B7TL / East Lancs OmniDekka The full list of vehicles of those types is here ---disclaimer--- it ain't perfect. The list still contains withdrawn buses such as OM1: View AttachmentI have identified 3 types as on the verge of extinction, with 1 type remaining in London. They may have even been withdrawn from service already. Registration Number | Fleet Number | Operator | Garage | Make & Model | Last Seen (LVF Data) | LT02NUK | DMN1 | Go Ahead | Northumberland Park | ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus | 11th Aug, Route W4 | OP07ARE | HOV1 | Quality Line | Epsom | Optare Versa Hybrid | 14th June, Route 411 | YJ60GGC | MDL1 | Go Ahead | Blue Triangle | VDL SB180 / MCV C102RLE | 22 May, Route 648 |
Don't TfL do research or something because Gellico would struggle to find those 7 buses at the top given they practically don't exist HOV1 & MDL1 have both been withdrawn and probably have left their respective fleets by now - not sure about DMN1 though
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Post by busman on Sept 5, 2017 7:24:46 GMT
I pulled some data from the latest TfL fleet list (30th June) and identified the following bus types that had less than 30 vehicles in London ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus Volvo B7TL / Optare Metrocity EV DAF SB120 / Wrightbus Pulsar Scania N230UD / ADL Enviro 400H Scania Omincity / ADL Omincity VDL DB300 / Wrightbus Gemini 3 Volvo B7TL / East Lancs OmniDekka The full list of vehicles of those types is here ---disclaimer--- it ain't perfect. The list still contains withdrawn buses such as OM1: View AttachmentI have identified 3 types as on the verge of extinction, with 1 type remaining in London. They may have even been withdrawn from service already. Registration Number | Fleet Number | Operator | Garage | Make & Model | Last Seen (LVF Data) | LT02NUK | DMN1 | Go Ahead | Northumberland Park | ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus | 11th Aug, Route W4 | OP07ARE | HOV1 | Quality Line | Epsom | Optare Versa Hybrid | 14th June, Route 411 | YJ60GGC | MDL1 | Go Ahead | Blue Triangle | VDL SB180 / MCV C102RLE | 22 May, Route 648 |
Don't TfL do research or something because Gellico would struggle to find those 7 buses at the top given they practically don't exist HOV1 & MDL1 have both been withdrawn and probably have left their respective fleets by now - not sure about DMN1 though There are some interesting entries in that list 🙂 The 2 VP's at Holloway listed as Volvo B7TL / Optare Metrocity EV's intrigued me. Is that a typo or did Optare actually provide the bodies for those buses? Do they differ in any way from the other VP's?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2017 9:32:38 GMT
Don't TfL do research or something because Gellico would struggle to find those 7 buses at the top given they practically don't exist HOV1 & MDL1 have both been withdrawn and probably have left their respective fleets by now - not sure about DMN1 though There are some interesting entries in that list 🙂 The 2 VP's at Holloway listed as Volvo B7TL / Optare Metrocity EV's intrigued me. Is that a typo or did Optare actually provide the bodies for those buses? Do they differ in any way from the other VP's? It's most certainly a typo as Optare never had a body on the B7TL though they did on the B9TL. All the VP's have Plaxton President bodies.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 5, 2017 9:54:00 GMT
The full list of vehicles of those types is here ---disclaimer--- it ain't perfect. The list still contains withdrawn buses such as OM1: I have identified 3 types as on the verge of extinction, with 1 type remaining in London. They may have even been withdrawn from service already. Registration Number | Fleet Number | Operator | Garage | Make & Model | Last Seen (LVF Data) | LT02NUK | DMN1 | Go Ahead | Northumberland Park | ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus | 11th Aug, Route W4 | OP07ARE | HOV1 | Quality Line | Epsom | Optare Versa Hybrid | 14th June, Route 411 | YJ60GGC | MDL1 | Go Ahead | Blue Triangle | VDL SB180 / MCV C102RLE | 22 May, Route 648 |
"It ain't perfect" is an understatement! The TfL fleetlist is so riddled with errors it really can't be relied upon for this purpose. Of the above 3, DMN1 is not unique - it only shows up as unique because it has been incorrectly labelled as ADL Dart / Marshall Citybus instead of Transbus Dart / Marshall Capital. The other two have been withdrawn as vjaska has pointed out. In any case, "types with fewer than 30 examples" is not quite the same as "endangered types". There may be many small batches that are not due for imminent withdrawal despite their small size, e.g. there are less than 30 MetroCity EVs but I don't think there are plans to withdraw them any time soon - indeed the H98 has just been re-awarded with a part-allocation of OCEs. If I was leaving London for a year I think I'd give some attention to the remaining B7TLs. There are a lot more than 30 right now, but I'd expect their numbers to be slashed over the next year. I doubt there will be any Arriva VLWs in service - maybe just a few VLAs - and Tower Transit won't need any VNWs once the 31 is lost and the 23 is cut back. Metroline will surely be withdrawing most if not all of their VP/VPLs over the next few months, assuming they manage to get their new VWHs in service at some point! I'm sure there will still be a few B7TLs knocking about in a year's time, but maybe not very many. It's a similar story with the Darts.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 5, 2017 10:54:29 GMT
If I was leaving London for a year I think I'd give some attention to the remaining B7TLs. There are a lot more than 30 right now, but I'd expect their numbers to be slashed over the next year. I doubt there will be any Arriva VLWs in service - maybe just a few VLAs - and Tower Transit won't need any VNWs once the 31 is lost and the 23 is cut back. Metroline will surely be withdrawing most if not all of their VP/VPLs over the next few months, assuming they manage to get their new VWHs in service at some point! I'm sure there will still be a few B7TLs knocking about in a year's time, but maybe not very many. It's a similar story with the Darts. Well I might if I was going to uni at the other end of the country. Isn't the OP going to study in Reading? That's 35 mins away from Paddington on a fast train and you can get to the western fringes of London in about the same time on a slower train if you wish. It is not the ends of the earth. By all means enjoy the remaining leisure time before the adventure of University and fending for yourself starts but it won't exactly be a hardship to pop into London to take some bus snaps if need be.
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Post by COBO on Sept 5, 2017 11:44:41 GMT
Don't TfL do research or something because Gellico would struggle to find those 7 buses at the top given they practically don't exist HOV1 & MDL1 have both been withdrawn and probably have left their respective fleets by now - not sure about DMN1 though There are some interesting entries in that list 🙂 The 2 VP's at Holloway listed as Volvo B7TL / Optare Metrocity EV's intrigued me. Is that a typo or did Optare actually provide the bodies for those buses? Do they differ in any way from the other VP's? No Plaxton Tranbus provided the body for the VPs.
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Post by Gellico on Sept 5, 2017 18:42:46 GMT
If I was leaving London for a year I think I'd give some attention to the remaining B7TLs. There are a lot more than 30 right now, but I'd expect their numbers to be slashed over the next year. I doubt there will be any Arriva VLWs in service - maybe just a few VLAs - and Tower Transit won't need any VNWs once the 31 is lost and the 23 is cut back. Metroline will surely be withdrawing most if not all of their VP/VPLs over the next few months, assuming they manage to get their new VWHs in service at some point! I'm sure there will still be a few B7TLs knocking about in a year's time, but maybe not very many. It's a similar story with the Darts. Well I might if I was going to uni at the other end of the country. Isn't the OP going to study in Reading? That's 35 mins away from Paddington on a fast train and you can get to the western fringes of London in about the same time on a slower train if you wish. It is not the ends of the earth. By all means enjoy the remaining leisure time before the adventure of University and fending for yourself starts but it won't exactly be a hardship to pop into London to take some bus snaps if need be. Aye I know however can't afford to be coming into London every weekend. Whilst I still have a bit of free time I am making tje most of it. Will be aiming to come back down mainly for events/tender renewals really.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 5, 2017 23:01:59 GMT
Aye I know however can't afford to be coming into London every weekend. Whilst I still have a bit of free time I am making tje most of it. Will be aiming to come back down mainly for events/tender renewals really. Sure and to be fair it is not good practice, IMO, to go running home within a few weeks of starting Uni. It is far better to give a longer time, than most do, to send the message that you've "gone" even if not a huge distance in your case. It also allows you to develop your own independent routine whereby you balance work, leisure and all those boring chores I assume you will have to do for yourself like cooking, washing and ironing, food shopping etc. I know some kids do this already in their households but it is still quite a shock to suddenly be responsible for all of it. I still remember that first weekend arriving in London from "up north" and having to trek to Sainsburys to buy some food or else I wasn't going to have any dinner. Have to say that the bus fleets of Tyne and Wear didn't figure in my thinking before heading south but it was very different times and there is vastly more info now about the bus network than there was back then. Everything was done in arrears in terms of reporting - very rare to get anything in advance or on the day. Still I am sure you will have lots of fun in Reading with its branded buses, curved settees and Spritzer buses.
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