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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 9, 2018 14:44:52 GMT
Photos from Tottenham Court Road's open day can be found here
I really liked this station. We were told to enter through the Dean Street entrance and only one escalator was running to get people down to platform level. The direction was reversed regularly but in order to go the other way you'd have to use lifts. The lifts were working well going by my observations. A lot of artwork had also been installed through the station. Unlike Whitechapel only the Westbound platform was open for public viewing with the Eastbound platform looked off, however the whole Westbound platform was open and not just a small section of it.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 9, 2018 16:07:02 GMT
Photos from Tottenham Court Road's open day can be found here
I really liked this station. We were told to enter through the Dean Street entrance and only one escalator was running to get people down to platform level. The direction was reversed regularly but in order to go the other way you'd have to use lifts. The lifts were working well going by my observations. A lot of artwork had also been installed through the station. Unlike Whitechapel only the Westbound platform was open for public viewing with the Eastbound platform looked off, however the whole Westbound platform was open and not just a small section of it. Well TCR does look to be the most complete so far. Actually looks decent and gives a good impression of the final article. It's a real shame I was able to get a ticket for this as that's the best looking site so far. Thanks for sharing the photos.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 19:43:52 GMT
Spotted a test train around 12.45pm passing through Custom House toward Abbey Wood today. Very surreal seeing a train of this length when you are used to little 3 car DLR carriages and before that two carriage North London Line trains (Until 2006)
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Post by redbus on Jul 9, 2018 22:35:38 GMT
Photos from Tottenham Court Road's open day can be found here
I really liked this station. We were told to enter through the Dean Street entrance and only one escalator was running to get people down to platform level. The direction was reversed regularly but in order to go the other way you'd have to use lifts. The lifts were working well going by my observations. A lot of artwork had also been installed through the station. Unlike Whitechapel only the Westbound platform was open for public viewing with the Eastbound platform looked off, however the whole Westbound platform was open and not just a small section of it. Well TCR does look to be the most complete so far. Actually looks decent and gives a good impression of the final article. It's a real shame I was able to get a ticket for this as that's the best looking site so far. Thanks for sharing the photos. Your photos are better than mine, but compared to some other stations it did look more complete. Having said that there were plenty of blocked off passages and only one of the two platforms was open for viewing, so unsure what state the other platform is in. It was a good visit overall.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 9, 2018 22:43:59 GMT
Well TCR does look to be the most complete so far. Actually looks decent and gives a good impression of the final article. It's a real shame I was able to get a ticket for this as that's the best looking site so far. Thanks for sharing the photos. Your photos are better than mine, but compared to some other stations it did look more complete. Having said that there were plenty of blocked off passages and only one of the two platforms was open for viewing, so unsure what state the other platform is in. It was a good visit overall. I would expect it to be pretty much complete to be honest. They've been on site for a very long time - aided by the LU congestion relief project also being there. It also looks to me as if more of the subsystem fitout has been achieved - ticket gates, ticket machines, working escalators and lifts, CCTV clearly in place, PED train info display working, more lighting (on the T shaped signs) switched on. This is vastly ahead of everywhere barring Canary Wharf although that was lacking signage when I was there months ago. I suspect they closed off one platform just to keep crowd management easy given the full 240m of one platform was seemingly open. Just to note they're not my photos - they're Eastlondoner's.
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Post by snowman on Jul 10, 2018 5:19:56 GMT
Unfortunately I couldn’t get tickets (seem to sell out very quickly)
Nice pictures and looks like will be ready for the opening (which I think is 5 months from today, 9 December, the same day rail timetables change)
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Post by snowman on Jul 12, 2018 16:43:52 GMT
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Post by snowman on Jul 24, 2018 14:54:33 GMT
Funding statement update£12,506,215,837 has been spent on construction so far Statement also says 15 trains are in regular use. As first ones went into service over 12 months ago, and all are needed by December 2019, 15 out of 70 so far seems a low fraction to me
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Post by snoggle on Jul 24, 2018 20:39:55 GMT
Funding statement update£12,506,215,837 has been spent on construction so far Statement also says 15 trains are in regular use. As first ones went into service over 12 months ago, and all are needed by December 2019, 15 out of 70 so far seems a low fraction to me The more astounding elements in that statement are confirmation of an extra £590m of funding to get the project completed. £300m in respect of the core project with funding split between TfL and DfT equally. Quite where TfL are going to find a spare £150m from is beyond me. There will be risk provision but not on this scale. Worse DfT are having to find an extra £290m to cover cost overruns on NR's surface railway works. I assume a large slice of this is for the much delayed station works in West London and the larger schemes like Romford and Ilford in East London. Ilford's works are now a year late and may eventually start in a few weeks time. As for the rolling stock then I'm not really sure. I suspect the emphasis so far has been on getting a smallish fleet debugged so a stable software platform can be established. Once that's done then it can be rolled out to further trains to allow them to come into service. It is worth repeating that we were never going to have large numbers of 345s whizzing around at this stage. 315s were always going to be kept going until late 2019. The Heathrow and Hayes problems have obviously caused problems in that fewer and shorter length 345s are having to run out west. The original plan was all 9 cars there and into Heathrow which has yet to happen. Whether TfL are storing up trouble for the December launch remains to be seen - depends on how many 345s they get put through their paces in the core's operational testing phase.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 14:33:47 GMT
What's the current progress on the introduction of 345s from Liverpool Street?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 15:56:26 GMT
What's the current progress on the introduction of 345s from Liverpool Street? Wobbly is the best word. Reliability levels still seem pitiful and are not rising. This must give concern to TfL as a breakdown every 2,000+ service miles is appalling and not at all what they need to run the core service with any level of intensity. The number of service disruptions on the Shenfield route is dreadful - not always a 345 but it often is one of those sitting down and refusing to move. Given how much money has been spent on revised track layouts, new signals, new sidings and mass replacement / strengthening of the overhead wires / electricity supply you'd hope that new trains would be giving a similar boost to overall service quality. Unfortunately it is the old class 315s that are much more reliable - just as well it was always the plan to retain a good number of them at this stage in proceedings. However TfL only have 9 months before the Shenfield route has to run into the core tunnel and that will be with 9 car units (including 7 car units that will have been extended) and they have to get the unit reliability way, way up or else there will be complete and utter chaos. The other worrying thing here is that the class 710s for Overground are essentially the same trains but with different (and currently crap) software. Imagine how useless the GOBLIN, Watford and West Anglia services are going to be if the class 710s are as unreliable as the 345s!! TfL have already said they won't introduce more 710s until the reliability has been "proven" on the GOBLIN. This means GOBLIN users are going to be guinea pigs for crap trains. Railforums UK has more of a running commentary on individual units.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 16:51:40 GMT
What's the current progress on the introduction of 345s from Liverpool Street? Wobbly is the best word. Reliability levels still seem pitiful and are not rising. This must give concern to TfL as a breakdown every 2,000+ service miles is appalling and not at all what they need to run the core service with any level of intensity. The number of service disruptions on the Shenfield route is dreadful - not always a 345 but it often is one of those sitting down and refusing to move. Given how much money has been spent on revised track layouts, new signals, new sidings and mass replacement / strengthening of the overhead wires / electricity supply you'd hope that new trains would be giving a similar boost to overall service quality. Unfortunately it is the old class 315s that are much more reliable - just as well it was always the plan to retain a good number of them at this stage in proceedings. However TfL only have 9 months before the Shenfield route has to run into the core tunnel and that will be with 9 car units (including 7 car units that will have been extended) and they have to get the unit reliability way, way up or else there will be complete and utter chaos. The other worrying thing here is that the class 710s for Overground are essentially the same trains but with different (and currently crap) software. Imagine how useless the GOBLIN, Watford and West Anglia services are going to be if the class 710s are as unreliable as the 345s!! TfL have already said they won't introduce more 710s until the reliability has been "proven" on the GOBLIN. This means GOBLIN users are going to be guinea pigs for crap trains. It's also worrying considering how many Aventras have been ordered elsewhere, with mass orders placed for South Western Railway, West Midlands Trains and Greater Anglia, as well as C2C. What's the typical ratio of 315s and 345s currently on the Liverpool Street to Shenfield route?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 21:58:46 GMT
Courtesy of a post on Railforums UK here is a diagrammatic representation of the post Dec 2019 peak time service and stopping pattern for Crossrail (see download). There will be no trains from the Shenfield line to stations west of Paddington. All West London services run from Abbey Wood. They do seem to have fixed some of the rumoured problems about stopping patterns in West London except from places like Acton Main Line / Hanwell to West Drayton. This is because these stops are served by Heathrow trains only (as is the case today). Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 9:08:24 GMT
Courtesy of a post on Railforums UK here is a diagrammatic representation of the post Dec 2019 peak time service and stopping pattern for Crossrail (see download). There will be no trains from the Shenfield line to stations west of Paddington. All West London services run from Abbey Wood. They do seem to have fixed some of the rumoured problems about stopping patterns in West London except from places like Acton Main Line / Hanwell to West Drayton. This is because these stops are served by Heathrow trains only (as is the case today). Interesting that Liv St High Level is still being used. Wonder if that means the 9-car issue gets resolved or 7-car High Level services to Gidea Park
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 9:09:13 GMT
What's the current progress on the introduction of 345s from Liverpool Street? Wobbly is the best word. Reliability levels still seem pitiful and are not rising. This must give concern to TfL as a breakdown every 2,000+ service miles is appalling and not at all what they need to run the core service with any level of intensity. The number of service disruptions on the Shenfield route is dreadful - not always a 345 but it often is one of those sitting down and refusing to move. Given how much money has been spent on revised track layouts, new signals, new sidings and mass replacement / strengthening of the overhead wires / electricity supply you'd hope that new trains would be giving a similar boost to overall service quality. Unfortunately it is the old class 315s that are much more reliable - just as well it was always the plan to retain a good number of them at this stage in proceedings. However TfL only have 9 months before the Shenfield route has to run into the core tunnel and that will be with 9 car units (including 7 car units that will have been extended) and they have to get the unit reliability way, way up or else there will be complete and utter chaos. The other worrying thing here is that the class 710s for Overground are essentially the same trains but with different (and currently crap) software. Imagine how useless the GOBLIN, Watford and West Anglia services are going to be if the class 710s are as unreliable as the 345s!! TfL have already said they won't introduce more 710s until the reliability has been "proven" on the GOBLIN. This means GOBLIN users are going to be guinea pigs for crap trains. Railforums UK has more of a running commentary on individual units. What about the reliability of the 345s on the Western side?
From what I have seen they seem to be far more reliable than the 360s.
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