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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 8, 2019 22:05:40 GMT
The only slight speed up will be people able to come down the rear staircase and out of the back door but apart from that they will be very similar to all other buses.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 23:09:29 GMT
Which route will be next then? I remember hearing some that it would be the EL routes
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Post by george on Dec 8, 2019 23:14:52 GMT
Which route will be next then? I remember hearing some that it would be the EL routes Should be the 149 one of the worst for fare dodging.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 8, 2019 23:22:48 GMT
Which route will be next then? I remember hearing some that it would be the EL routes Should be the 149 one of the worst for fare dodging. I think doing every route at once would be the way to go. Prevents unnecessary confusion where on corridors with multiple LT routes you don't have every route operating its own policy. You could probably do the ELT a different date as its isolated, although it shares a batch with the 15 and the 5 uses LTs every night too.
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Post by rml1969 on Dec 9, 2019 4:48:49 GMT
I also read the boarding changes notes on Lots.
This has mostly abandoned the initial purpose of operating LT/NBFL to enable customers boarding/alighting promptly through 3 doors.
As we all acknowledge that fare evasion is a major concern and revenue loss for TFL, which reminds me of the former Citaro (Bendy Buses)!
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Post by rif153 on Dec 9, 2019 7:34:26 GMT
Should be the 149 one of the worst for fare dodging. I think doing every route at once would be the way to go. Prevents unnecessary confusion where on corridors with multiple LT routes you don't have every route operating its own policy. You could probably do the ELT a different date as its isolated, although it shares a batch with the 15 and the 5 uses LTs every night too. I agree. It must cause endless confusion to 8 passengers when parallel routes like the 11, 19, 38, 55, 149 all have open boarding yet the 8 doesn’t. None of those routes parallel the 8 for that long though so there’s no obvious contender to do next.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 9, 2019 11:37:59 GMT
I think doing every route at once would be the way to go. Prevents unnecessary confusion where on corridors with multiple LT routes you don't have every route operating its own policy. You could probably do the ELT a different date as its isolated, although it shares a batch with the 15 and the 5 uses LTs every night too. I agree. It must cause endless confusion to 8 passengers when parallel routes like the 11, 19, 38, 55, 149 all have open boarding yet the 8 doesn’t. None of those routes parallel the 8 for that long though so there’s no obvious contender to do next. Should they decide to go down the route of doing it phased, I wouldn't be surprised to see it done by garage. Other early candidates would be routes like the 55 and 149 which are the only LT routes at their respective garages probably ending with routes based at QB, RR and HT seeing as these garages have the most LTs.
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Post by snowman on Dec 9, 2019 12:07:56 GMT
I agree. It must cause endless confusion to 8 passengers when parallel routes like the 11, 19, 38, 55, 149 all have open boarding yet the 8 doesn’t. None of those routes parallel the 8 for that long though so there’s no obvious contender to do next. Should they decide to go down the route of doing it phased, I wouldn't be surprised to see it done by garage. Other early candidates would be routes like the 55 and 149 which are the only LT routes at their respective garages probably ending with routes based at QB, RR and HT seeing as these garages have the most LTs. I'm also in the do all routes on same date mindset. Virtually all routes share a part of their journey with another LT route, so this is much easier to advertise and avoid confusion. Of course, had someone at TfL done proper due diligence on the contractor they chose and appointed, then all 1000 buses would have been modified by 6th December as that was the contract completion date (revealed in a FOI request), and could have implemented boarding changes when fares change at start of January. As the changes principally involve adding a few stickers could have been done overnight (could always have put some temporary out of use stickers on the spare oyster readers until they are removed)
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Post by M1104 on Dec 9, 2019 12:50:02 GMT
I agree. It must cause endless confusion to 8 passengers when parallel routes like the 11, 19, 38, 55, 149 all have open boarding yet the 8 doesn’t. None of those routes parallel the 8 for that long though so there’s no obvious contender to do next. Should they decide to go down the route of doing it phased, I wouldn't be surprised to see it done by garage. Other early candidates would be routes like the 55 and 149 which are the only LT routes at their respective garages probably ending with routes based at QB, RR and HT seeing as these garages have the most LTs. It would ideally need to be a few garages at the same time, ie BN, N, QB and WL for the 3/N3, 59, 137, 159 and 415 for their routings along the A23
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 10, 2019 12:51:06 GMT
I think doing every route at once would be the way to go. Prevents unnecessary confusion where on corridors with multiple LT routes you don't have every route operating its own policy. You could probably do the ELT a different date as its isolated, although it shares a batch with the 15 and the 5 uses LTs every night too. I agree. It must cause endless confusion to 8 passengers when parallel routes like the 11, 19, 38, 55, 149 all have open boarding yet the 8 doesn’t. None of those routes parallel the 8 for that long though so there’s no obvious contender to do next. It's the heavy handedness and political will that makes this so shameful
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 10, 2020 13:26:02 GMT
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Post by george on Jan 10, 2020 13:28:47 GMT
As the 267 doesn't follow any other route apart from the 27 for one stop I feel like it should have been the first route to be front door boarding only.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 10, 2020 13:53:54 GMT
I'd question the claim about "our successful pilot on route 8........". I still see plenty of people boarding through the rear doors, the signage is pitiful, some go to the front and touch in and some don't.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 10, 2020 13:55:57 GMT
I have issues with what TfL have said in that article - three door boarding does speed up dwell times at places like Brixton & Barking which the 8 serves neither of these places and "it deprives London’s transport of the investment it needs" is very rich from a transport provider in cut mode and from a mayor who introduced a fares freeze whilst knowing how damaging that would without the subsidy in place.
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 10, 2020 20:21:04 GMT
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