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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2020 8:38:14 GMT
25 has made quite a drop now. I know last time it had dropped to 2nd place but is now lower then then 243.
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Post by thekbq14 on Nov 13, 2020 14:48:50 GMT
25 has made quite a drop now. I know last time it had dropped to 2nd place but is now lower then then 243. Guess the Oxford Circus to City Thameslink cut has really damaged the route. I also think now passengers have found alternatives to get into central London.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 13, 2020 23:54:44 GMT
One interesting development here is the 388, it's seen one of the biggest decreases while meanwhile the 149 seems to have gained some users and jumped up three places, route 26 has also seen one of the biggest increases. Seems many 48 users have probably switched to the 26 or 149, I've not seen the 55s figures but I'd assume that's seen an increase too.
The 388 did have a hard time in the financial year, also was cut to Liverpool Street for a few months which wouldn't have helped things but does show that the London Bridge extension might not have been the best move for the route. It's probably a case of TfL actually being right in the fact it wasn't that needed heading to London Bridge and only extended it to appease people rather than it actually being a necessity. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 388 tampered with again in the future if this is the trend for the route. Can't think of a route that's been so unlucky in terms of ridership. Always seems to be "the other route" for most of its journey, being sidelined a lot of times bu the 26 and 8, and now seemingly the 149.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 14, 2020 5:20:02 GMT
Diamond Geezer has analysed routes 18 is busiest, followed by 149, 29, 207, 243, 25, 140, 86, 38, 36, 5, 109, 279, 43 399 least busy, followed by 389, 15H, H3, R10, W10, R5, 385, diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/I saw a crazy YouTube video on how the 399 / 389 are run, using the same Streetlite bus in a large loop Hats off to Sullivan's for providing this service. The whole system needs a radical overhaul. They must be really struggling with most of central London deserted due to the virus. It's time to go back to 80% red and allow the creativity of the early 2000's. TfL have gotten too big and are doing too much. They should just do buses, tube, rail and just concentrate on running that well...
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Post by vjaska on Nov 14, 2020 10:49:46 GMT
Diamond Geezer has analysed routes 18 is busiest, followed by 149, 29, 207, 243, 25, 140, 86, 38, 36, 5, 109, 279, 43 399 least busy, followed by 389, 15H, H3, R10, W10, R5, 385, diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/I saw a crazy YouTube video on how the 399 / 389 are run, using the same Streetlite bus in a large loop Hats off to Sullivan's for providing this service. The whole system needs a radical overhaul. They must be really struggling with most of central London deserted due to the virus. It's time to go back to 80% red and allow the creativity of the early 2000's. TfL have gotten too big and are doing too much. They should just do buses, tube, rail and just concentrate on running that well... That’s been a long standing thing where the 389 & 399 inter work with each other using a bus off the 299 - under First & Go-Ahead, it was a DM then SEN that done it. They only run between 10 in the morning till early afternoon Monday to Saturday which is why they take a vehicle from the 299 rather than have their own.
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Post by ian on Nov 14, 2020 11:42:28 GMT
Interesting to see the 125 rise so dramatically and also the large increase on the 303. That might tend to suggest TfL might have some idea of what they are doing when it comes to extensions and new routes etc. (acknowledging that 303 will have absorbed a lot of 305 passengers). Even during this summer period I have been amazed to see how quickly the 125s have filled up south of Finchley.
I wonder if something more interesting could be done with 399 (or 389 for that matter) including taking over some of the back roads lost in the 384 changes?
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Post by thekbq14 on Nov 14, 2020 15:51:21 GMT
One interesting development here is the 388, it's seen one of the biggest decreases while meanwhile the 149 seems to have gained some users and jumped up three places, route 26 has also seen one of the biggest increases. Seems many 48 users have probably switched to the 26 or 149, I've not seen the 55s figures but I'd assume that's seen an increase too. The 388 did have a hard time in the financial year, also was cut to Liverpool Street for a few months which wouldn't have helped things but does show that the London Bridge extension might not have been the best move for the route. It's probably a case of TfL actually being right in the fact it wasn't that needed heading to London Bridge and only extended it to appease people rather than it actually being a necessity. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 388 tampered with again in the future if this is the trend for the route. Can't think of a route that's been so unlucky in terms of ridership. Always seems to be "the other route" for most of its journey, being sidelined a lot of times bu the 26 and 8, and now seemingly the 149. Issue I felt like with the 388 is that the route hasn't been stable and I believe that will put passengers off as it'll just confuse them to where the bus is going especially your ordinary passenger. So first it went to Mansion House, then extended to Blackfriars, then Temple then Embankment. Me personally I liked this extension as it served a unique part of London that has no day routes but this was only temporarily due to Thameslink construction at Blackfriars and stand issues I believe at Temple as bus still stood at Embankment anyways. Then back to Blackfriars, then again to Elephant and Castle which again another extension I liked personally ambitious, kept an east to South London link going after replacing the 100 and especially to places such as Hackney and Stratford which will be more popular then Shadwell and Wapping. Again cut back to Liverpool Street where at this point it would be duplicating the 8 and 26 for most of it's route both routes are way more established so will be more popular in general. And then again extending it to London Bridge like you said was only done to please the 48 brigade as there route debatably got withdrawn even though with the data tfl had probably knew that another route wasn't needed from Liverpool Street to London Bridge but did it to save face and retain an East London to London Bridge link gone with the 48. Even though like others said a 115 to London Bridge could of been more popular serving more links, maintaining East London to London Bridge and not overbussing that area. Also covid wouldn't help numbers too. I think personally after the cut from Elephant and Castle it seems like the 388 has had a bit of an identity issue and tfl doesn't know what to do with it. With it helping the 8 and 26 being important, linking Hackney Wick with Stratford and serving Victoria Park by itself but missing the new links it used to serve now just being a shadow of itself really. Add to that a decline of bus passengers in London in general and Overground being more popular in that Hackney area it doesn't bode well for the 388.
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Post by thekbq14 on Nov 14, 2020 15:52:48 GMT
Interesting to see the 125 rise so dramatically and also the large increase on the 303. That might tend to suggest TfL might have some idea of what they are doing when it comes to extensions and new routes etc. (acknowledging that 303 will have absorbed a lot of 305 passengers). Even during this summer period I have been amazed to see how quickly the 125s have filled up south of Finchley. I wonder if something more interesting could be done with 399 (or 389 for that matter) including taking over some of the back roads lost in the 384 changes? 125 had an extension so it was bound to happen so a long one at that and like you said with the 303. But guess the reason this is because of the new housing the Colindale area is soaking up passengers.
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