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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 4, 2023 13:18:08 GMT
I don’t think it’s unfair, there is no such thing as a selfless act. If you can find one who is genuinely hardworking, selfless and most importantly 100% honest then I’ll happily retract my comment. As they don’t exist I don’t think I’ll have to. Tory MP David Amess - when he passed, no one in his constituency in Southend had a bad word to say about him and so many recalled a time where he helped them. Given what most think of politicians, that's got to mean something? He voted against equal gay rights, against improving human rights, against gay marriage, voted for increased tax rates, voted for raising tuition fees. The list goes on. He may have supported his constituents, I don’t doubt that, but he consistently voted poorly and frankly against modern Britain.
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Post by busman on Oct 4, 2023 14:25:44 GMT
Tory MP David Amess - when he passed, no one in his constituency in Southend had a bad word to say about him and so many recalled a time where he helped them. Given what most think of politicians, that's got to mean something? He voted against equal gay rights, against improving human rights, against gay marriage, voted for increased tax rates, voted for raising tuition fees. The list goes on. He may have supported his constituents, I don’t doubt that, but he consistently voted poorly and frankly against modern Britain. If someone holds different views to your own, that doesn’t mean they are not hard working, selfless or honest. I’ll name another - my former MP Theresa Pearce, although she has now retired from politics. Fantastic MP who helped her constituents (including me) when the council fell short and would always hold them to account - even though they were from the same party. She was very well respected by voters of all persuasions in our area. I’m sure there would have been times when she voted differently to how I felt on some issues, but I couldn’t say that she wasn’t hardworking, selfless or honest. I’m sure there are many others - they tend to be the quiet ones who go about there business from the back benches, but that doesn’t make for a click-baity headline.
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 4, 2023 14:58:44 GMT
He voted against equal gay rights, against improving human rights, against gay marriage, voted for increased tax rates, voted for raising tuition fees. The list goes on. He may have supported his constituents, I don’t doubt that, but he consistently voted poorly and frankly against modern Britain. If someone holds different views to your own, that doesn’t mean they are not hard working, selfless or honest. I’ll name another - my former MP Theresa Pearce, although she has now retired from politics. Fantastic MP who helped her constituents (including me) when the council fell short and would always hold them to account - even though they were from the same party. She was very well respected by voters of all persuasions in our area. I’m sure there would have been times when she voted differently to how I felt on some issues, but I couldn’t say that she wasn’t hardworking, selfless or honest. I’m sure there are many others - they tend to be the quiet ones who go about there business from the back benches, but that doesn’t make for a click-baity headline. Equal gay rights isn’t a different view, it should be a fundamental right. As for Teresa Pearce her record does show some excellent voting in the HoC. So that’s 1 out of 650 MPs.
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Post by rift on Oct 4, 2023 17:38:12 GMT
He voted against equal gay rights, against improving human rights, against gay marriage, voted for increased tax rates, voted for raising tuition fees. The list goes on. He may have supported his constituents, I don’t doubt that, but he consistently voted poorly and frankly against modern Britain. If someone holds different views to your own, that doesn’t mean they are not hard working, selfless or honest. I’ll name another - my former MP Theresa Pearce, although she has now retired from politics. Fantastic MP who helped her constituents (including me) when the council fell short and would always hold them to account - even though they were from the same party. She was very well respected by voters of all persuasions in our area. I’m sure there would have been times when she voted differently to how I felt on some issues, but I couldn’t say that she wasn’t hardworking, selfless or honest. I’m sure there are many others - they tend to be the quiet ones who go about there business from the back benches, but that doesn’t make for a click-baity headline. Seconded on her not reluctant to call out the council whenever they were falling short. So much questionable decisions from them at this time, such as the planned taxi and tour bus service, scrapping of town centre cleaning teams, and much more.
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 4, 2023 17:47:41 GMT
Oh boy oh boy. So the Manchester leg has been scrapped. This is going to really widen the North/South Divide
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Post by WH241 on Oct 4, 2023 19:05:35 GMT
Oh boy oh boy. So the Manchester leg has been scrapped. This is going to really widen the North/South Divide Couldn't agree more. I am no expert but imagine a faster link to Manchester and vice versa would be what most people would want.
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 4, 2023 20:56:35 GMT
Oh boy oh boy. So the Manchester leg has been scrapped. This is going to really widen the North/South Divide Couldn't agree more. I am no expert but imagine a faster link to Manchester and vice versa would be what most people would want.
It was bad enough that the Leeds leg got cut a few years back and now this. All I can say is certain firms managed to get a big payday from this work. Then again I'm not surprised with the amount of money that was initially squandered from this project. The Elizabeth Line is an example of this but that's a conversation for another time.
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Post by COBO on Oct 4, 2023 21:51:35 GMT
How much of the Birmingham to Manchester or the HS2 completed before being abandoned?
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2023 1:03:44 GMT
How much of the Birmingham to Manchester or the HS2 completed before being abandoned? None - the only section that was started was the London to Birmingham section. The section north of there has only seen land brought up for the line, some of which included nearly new housing estates
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Post by COBO on Oct 5, 2023 2:44:08 GMT
How much of the Birmingham to Manchester or the HS2 completed before being abandoned? None - the only section that was started was the London to Birmingham section. The section north of there has only seen land brought up for the line, some of which included nearly new housing estates New housing estates - oh dear.
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Post by snowman on Oct 5, 2023 6:35:25 GMT
How much of the Birmingham to Manchester or the HS2 completed before being abandoned? None - the only section that was started was the London to Birmingham section. The section north of there has only seen land brought up for the line, some of which included nearly new housing estates Phase 1 also included the delta junction few miles east of Birmingham and section continuing north to join existing lines near Lichfield. Some preparatory work, ground sampling (those rigs which take cores) etc had been done on next section to Crewe but no real construction as far as I am aware. At Euston original plan was 11 platform station (there had been talk of cutting it to 10 platforms) , now apparently reduced to 6 so some of the extra space where demolition had taken place, now also appears to have been wasted. Some seem to think the relatively short section to just north of Stafford may need to be partly built, basically the section that bypasses the 2 track section of West Coast main line south east of Stafford, so would be bonkers if quickly sell off land along this pinchpoint.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 5, 2023 8:56:24 GMT
Couldn't agree more. I am no expert but imagine a faster link to Manchester and vice versa would be what most people would want.
It was bad enough that the Leeds leg got cut a few years back and now this. All I can say is certain firms managed to get a big payday from this work. Then again I'm not surprised with the amount of money that was initially squandered from this project. The Elizabeth Line is an example of this but that's a conversation for another time. I was always critical of HS2. It was going on the back of HS1 and I really do not understand it if journey times over standard are not that much. IS the capacity needed? I remember many on here were critical of it but now when they are hearing it being scrapped they are up in arms. My biggest concern was the cost, it is a serious rip off for years, even before covid. The fact the Chinese said they could do it within a quarter of the time and substantially less, goes to show that many of these companies over here are just rip off and simply over-pricing things. As you have mentioned, I cannot understand how the Crossrail ended up costing so much, the same for the Jubilee line extension. It is one of the reasons I really am not a fan of crossrail 2.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 5, 2023 8:59:04 GMT
Might as well bin the whole thing. In all fairness HS2 was always a pie in the sky idea. Way too expensive. Might as well use the money for localised links Politicians in this country are only good at lying to people and turning back on their promises This country is not localised, the cities need to be connected. Why is it faster to get to France than Manchester? The only real winner out of this, no matter what else is announced is British Airways and the Spanish economy. Well, France is technically closer to the South East than Manchester is, so it is a no brainer that it should be quicker to get to Even if HS2 was built fully, it still does not mean it would take people away from planes. The plane can still be quicker and then the fact is price. The cost of the tickets on HS2 would probably not have been cheap.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 5, 2023 9:00:19 GMT
The facts have changed, says Rishi Sunak, as he scraps HS2 leg"The facts have changed," the PM has said, as he confirmed the HS2 high-speed rail line from Birmingham to Manchester would be scrapped.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67005544London Euston: HS2 will run into centre of capital, PM confirmsHigh-speed rail link HS2 will run into London Euston station as initially planned, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has confirmed, after announcing the Manchester leg would be axed.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67004617
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 5, 2023 9:02:19 GMT
It was bad enough that the Leeds leg got cut a few years back and now this. All I can say is certain firms managed to get a big payday from this work. Then again I'm not surprised with the amount of money that was initially squandered from this project. The Elizabeth Line is an example of this but that's a conversation for another time. I was always critical of HS2. It was going on the back of HS1 and I really do not understand it if journey times over standard are not that much. IS the capacity needed? I remember many on here were critical of it but now when they are hearing it being scrapped they are up in arms. My biggest concern was the cost, it is a serious rip off for years, even before covid. The fact the Chinese said they could do it within a quarter of the time and substantially less, goes to show that many of these companies over here are just rip off and simply over-pricing things. As you have mentioned, I cannot understand how the Crossrail ended up costing so much, the same for the Jubilee line extension. It is one of the reasons I really am not a fan of crossrail 2. If I speak today about these things I'll probably end up getting booted out of here because there's probably some users on here that are probably best buds with some of the high ups involved in these projects.
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