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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 1, 2021 18:00:22 GMT
Well, near-ish 😂 Lamorbey is the northern part of Sidcup. Basically north of Sidcup Station. The swimming baths at Sidcup used to be called Lamorbey Baths. To be fair, I'm from the complete opposite area of London and I knew it was in the SE area so I just thought it was somewhere there! Sometimes prefixed with 'Blackfen'. It's interesting how we have these weird place names in London Ah - Blackfen is further north still : it’s basically where route 51 and 132 meet and the surrounding area. All of Willersley Avenue and surrounds, where the 51 runs south from its juncture with the 132, I would call Blackfen, but as soon as the bus turns onto Halfway Street, that’s Lamorbey. North of the A2, you’re then in Falconwood. East of the 51/132 junction you get to Blackfen School for Girls, but then as soon as you’re past there, it’s Blendon. To the west, Blackfen continues to the Bexley Borough border with Greenwich.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 2, 2021 0:32:50 GMT
I just thought that Muswell Hill is too built up to have an above ground station. Certainly by Holloway the tunnel would need to start. It's probably not feasible to construct a new railway completely from scratch in the open. Muswell Hill did though have a station in the open, the line ran under Muswell Hill (the road) a little to the south of the Broadway. It was on a former Great North Eastern Railway branch line from Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace which was to have been incorporated into the Northern Line, but the works stopped due to the Second World War and it was decided to abandon them. The line soldiered on with a peak-time steam train service until 1954. Most of the route is now a walking trail, The Parkland Walk, and can be followed on foot. The story of the Northern Heights Extensions is a fascinating one and well worth reading about if you have an interest in railway history and "what might have been". Jay Foreman did a video about it. Some of the arches where Elstree South would’ve been are still there and at Edgware there’s a tunnel that would’ve been used. Shame it doesn’t exist;would’ve been really helpful today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 7:19:23 GMT
To be fair, I'm from the complete opposite area of London and I knew it was in the SE area so I just thought it was somewhere there! Sometimes prefixed with 'Blackfen'. It's interesting how we have these weird place names in London Ah - Blackfen is further north still : it’s basically where route 51 and 132 meet and the surrounding area. All of Willersley Avenue and surrounds, where the 51 runs south from its juncture with the 132, I would call Blackfen, but as soon as the bus turns onto Halfway Street, that’s Lamorbey. North of the A2, you’re then in Falconwood. East of the 51/132 junction you get to Blackfen School for Girls, but then as soon as you’re past there, it’s Blendon. To the west, Blackfen continues to the Bexley Borough border with Greenwich. Wow these place names sound really strange. To be fair, there's a place called Shirley which is just so strange, sounds like an old woman's name
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Post by thekbq14 on Feb 3, 2021 1:54:39 GMT
Ah - Blackfen is further north still : it’s basically where route 51 and 132 meet and the surrounding area. All of Willersley Avenue and surrounds, where the 51 runs south from its juncture with the 132, I would call Blackfen, but as soon as the bus turns onto Halfway Street, that’s Lamorbey. North of the A2, you’re then in Falconwood. East of the 51/132 junction you get to Blackfen School for Girls, but then as soon as you’re past there, it’s Blendon. To the west, Blackfen continues to the Bexley Borough border with Greenwich. Wow these place names sound really strange. To be fair, there's a place called Shirley which is just so strange, sounds like an old woman's name You think that's bad if you go further down south you'll find a place called Pratt's Bottom
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Post by thekbq14 on Feb 3, 2021 2:08:31 GMT
Muswell Hill did though have a station in the open, the line ran under Muswell Hill (the road) a little to the south of the Broadway. It was on a former Great North Eastern Railway branch line from Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace which was to have been incorporated into the Northern Line, but the works stopped due to the Second World War and it was decided to abandon them. The line soldiered on with a peak-time steam train service until 1954. Most of the route is now a walking trail, The Parkland Walk, and can be followed on foot. The story of the Northern Heights Extensions is a fascinating one and well worth reading about if you have an interest in railway history and "what might have been". Jay Foreman did a video about it. Some of the arches where Elstree South would’ve been are still there and at Edgware there’s a tunnel that would’ve been used. Shame it doesn’t exist;would’ve been really helpful today. With Muswell Hill, I don't know how doable it'll be probably none at that but the northern height section from Finsbury Park to Alexandra Park like wirewiper said is now a trail. In that said trail with Muswell Hill you can still find the old platforms on the trail and Alexandra Park for example still has it's station building, which I'm pretty sure is a community hub/cafe. Like you said there's plenty of good videos out there not just Jay's. But yeah sadly anything north of Edgware won't happen with due to the Green Belt and especially as those tracks have been built through with houses and business parks such as the Centennial Business Park and main roads such as the M1 being built because of it it'll be too much hassle even if tracks were still there abandoned due to that area being outside of London and tfl financial situation it'll end up like the Met Croxley Branch extension, but would be interesting to see an Alternative future that would of happened, probably be similar to other suburban stations like Stanmore branch or your now NW London Metroland villages out there for example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 7:25:59 GMT
Wow these place names sound really strange. To be fair, there's a place called Shirley which is just so strange, sounds like an old woman's name You think that's bad if you go further down south you'll find a place called Pratt's Bottom I live in west London and there are probably some places which people haven't heard of like Yiewsley (not that unknown but still), which, living near there my whole life, I never heard of it until 2017. Probably because West Drayton is more known due to the train station
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Post by M1199 on Feb 3, 2021 9:17:49 GMT
You think that's bad if you go further down south you'll find a place called Pratt's Bottom I live in west London and there are probably some places which people haven't heard of like Yiewsley (not that unknown but still), which, living near there my whole life, I never heard of it until 2017. Probably because West Drayton is more known due to the train station I've lived in Yiewsley all my live, I just say I live in Uxbridge as it's more well known and more of a desirable area..... In the 1800's it was a very industrious area with many brickfields, producing up to 20 million bricks per year. The station used to be called West Drayton & Yiewsley up until the 70's I believe, no idea why they dropped the Yiewsley bit.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 3, 2021 9:40:51 GMT
I live in west London and there are probably some places which people haven't heard of like Yiewsley (not that unknown but still), which, living near there my whole life, I never heard of it until 2017. Probably because West Drayton is more known due to the train station I've lived in Yiewsley all my live, I just say I live in Uxbridge as it's more well known and more of a desirable area..... In the 1800's it was a very industrious area with many brickfields, producing up to 20 million bricks per year. The station used to be called West Drayton & Yiewsley up until the 70's I believe, no idea why they dropped the Yiewsley bit. A lot of station names have been simplified since the railways were nationalised - e.g. Hanwell & Elthorne - Hanwell, Bushey & Oxhey - Bushey. However names such as Harrow & Wealdstone have persisted (ironically this was simply "Harrow" when it opened in 1837, Wealdstone was only added in 1897). West Drayton & Yiewsley was also the junction for two branch lines that lost their passenger services in the 1960s. The line to Uxbridge (Vine Street) closed in 1962 and to freight in 1964; the line to Staines West closed to passengers in March 1965 but remained open for freight and trains still run as far as the oil terminal at Colnbrook. Both lines veered off to the north but the Staines West line then split off and looped southwards under the main line - it can be seen from passing trains.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 10:11:36 GMT
I've lived in Yiewsley all my live, I just say I live in Uxbridge as it's more well known and more of a desirable area..... In the 1800's it was a very industrious area with many brickfields, producing up to 20 million bricks per year. The station used to be called West Drayton & Yiewsley up until the 70's I believe, no idea why they dropped the Yiewsley bit. A lot of station names have been simplified since the railways were nationalised - e.g. Hanwell & Elthorne - Hanwell, Bushey & Oxhey - Bushey. However names such as Harrow & Wealdstone have persisted (ironically this was simply "Harrow" when it opened in 1837, Wealdstone was only added in 1897). West Drayton & Yiewsley was also the junction for two branch lines that lost their passenger services in the 1960s. The line to Uxbridge (Vine Street) closed in 1962 and to freight in 1964; the line to Staines West closed to passengers in March 1965 but remained open for freight and trains still run as far as the oil terminal at Colnbrook. Both lines veered off to the north but the Staines West line then split off and looped southwards under the main line - it can be seen from passing trains. Thing is with Harrow and Wealdstone is that the station is in Wealdstone, and is about a mile from Harrow. Though the former is usually the bigger town as is Harrow in this case. Renaming it to Wealdstone wouldn't be right since those from the opposite side of London wouldn't necessarily know where it is whereas Harrow is much more well know.
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Post by M1199 on Feb 3, 2021 10:31:53 GMT
I've lived in Yiewsley all my live, I just say I live in Uxbridge as it's more well known and more of a desirable area..... In the 1800's it was a very industrious area with many brickfields, producing up to 20 million bricks per year. The station used to be called West Drayton & Yiewsley up until the 70's I believe, no idea why they dropped the Yiewsley bit. A lot of station names have been simplified since the railways were nationalised - e.g. Hanwell & Elthorne - Hanwell, Bushey & Oxhey - Bushey. However names such as Harrow & Wealdstone have persisted (ironically this was simply "Harrow" when it opened in 1837, Wealdstone was only added in 1897). West Drayton & Yiewsley was also the junction for two branch lines that lost their passenger services in the 1960s. The line to Uxbridge (Vine Street) closed in 1962 and to freight in 1964; the line to Staines West closed to passengers in March 1965 but remained open for freight and trains still run as far as the oil terminal at Colnbrook. Both lines veered off to the north but the Staines West line then split off and looped southwards under the main line - it can be seen from passing trains. I think in this day and age, the Vine Street branch would of been a very useful link, given the population of the area and with the University at Cowley. It's a crying shame there is almost next to nothing left of the branch line except for whats left of the humped backed bridges on The Greenway, Station Road and Peachey Lane and the fake bit of Broad Gauge track in the overgrown cutting along Cleveland Road. My best mates old man loves his Gods Wonderful Railway and was fascinated by the Uxbridge branch. He built an exact replica 00 gauge layout of Vine Street (with original canopy) & Cowley Stations, right down to the correct gauging of bridge heights! Pretty impressive stuff! Ps, apologies for going off topic!
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 3, 2021 11:24:45 GMT
Wow these place names sound really strange. To be fair, there's a place called Shirley which is just so strange, sounds like an old woman's name You think that's bad if you go further down south you'll find a place called Pratt's Bottom I live in Bushey and there’s always some sort of giggle when someone hears that, and up the road towards Radlett there’s a village called Round Bush. One weird one I see when I sometimes work up in Tring is a village called Cow Roast
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:46:42 GMT
You think that's bad if you go further down south you'll find a place called Pratt's Bottom I live in Bushey and there’s always some sort of giggle when someone hears that, and up the road towards Radlett there’s a village called Round Bush. One weird one I see when I sometimes work up in Tring is a village called Cow Roast Even Shepherd's Bush or Cockfosters sounds a little funny.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 3, 2021 18:35:20 GMT
I live in Bushey and there’s always some sort of giggle when someone hears that, and up the road towards Radlett there’s a village called Round Bush. One weird one I see when I sometimes work up in Tring is a village called Cow Roast Even Shepherd's Bush or Cockfosters sounds a little funny. What about Elephant & Castle? What even is that?
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 3, 2021 18:59:45 GMT
Even Shepherd's Bush or Cockfosters sounds a little funny. What about Elephant & Castle? What even is that? A pub (or at least it was). Its name thought to be a corruption of the Spanish La Infantia de Castille, which was the title of Katherine of Aragon, Henry VIII's first wife. However it is also suggested that it may refer to the coat of arms of the Worshipful Company of Master Cutlers, which incorporates an elephant with a castle-shaped howdah.
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Post by thekbq14 on Feb 4, 2021 6:06:48 GMT
What about Elephant & Castle? What even is that? A pub (or at least it was). Its name thought to be a corruption of the Spanish La Infantia de Castille, which was the title of Katherine of Aragon, Henry VIII's first wife. However it is also suggested that it may refer to the coat of arms of the Worshipful Company of Master Cutlers, which incorporates an elephant with a castle-shaped howdah. I find areas named after pubs very interesting for example places like Angel, Bricklayers Arms etc. which are common in this country as they have weird and wonderful names don't tend to have a geographical etymology like most places do, For example Wimbledon, Islington, Farringdon, Hillingdon which are places on Hill's named after someone or a feature on that hill. Adding information to the Elephant and Castle name it's more likely that it's named after the Worshipful Company of Master Cutlers due to there being a blacksmith and cutler nearby with one of the things being made being ivory hence the elephant. Also the fact that the said logo that has now been moved from the Shopping Centre is very similar to the ones used by the Worshipful Company of Master Cutlers, however it has been suggested that the logo was used by other companies previously. However I find the old name of the area more interesting as the area was called Newington hence Newington Causeway and Newington Butts, with it being a more common name with Stoke Newington and Newington Green in North London having similar names and especially how the name has fallen out of use due to the junction/roundabout and station being named Elephant and Castle instead of Newington or the two names not coexisting like an Angel Islington, but guess that's difference as Angel is a subdistrict in Islington itself and the Borough of Islington. And the pub is still there it's opposite by the station, well only there in name only the current one opened in the 1960s with original one, it was actually very close to be shut down and taken over by an estate agents guessing summarsing the redevelopment/gentrification when it was shut for a brief period in 2015 but the pub got taken over by new owners. But in theory it's been stated that the name of the pub has been around in the area for over 250 years, just not in the same place.
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