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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 18, 2022 10:28:50 GMT
Doesn't that also have the cab number 25386 attached to it as well which caused the 21386 unit to have 23386 as it's replacement. Yes, now formed: 21323-22323-25386-24323-24324-25324-22324-21324 did have 25384 as de-icer car before reforming. 23386 is correctly now in 21385/86.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 3, 2023 9:21:02 GMT
An upgrade to Surrey Quays will see the station gain a new step-free entrance on the north side of Lower Road. As well as relieving the current entrance on the south side, which is too constrained to be made step-free (but will be retained), the new entrance will serve new housing next to the Station which will be built as part of the Canada Water Masterplan Development. The work starts in Summer 2023 and is due to be competed in 2026. Infrastructure improvements will also take place to support extra services at Surrey Quays, currently the aspiration is to increase both the Crystal Palace and the Clapham Junction services from 4tph to 6tph. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/london-overground-station-at-surrey-quays-getting-step-free-access-upgrade-60339/
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 4, 2023 11:48:11 GMT
First time I've ever been on an Overground train that is nonstop between Whitechapel and Highbury and Islington. I guess this is a rare occurrence.
There were severe delays on the Overground probably due to the train strikes, and I just missed one at Honor Oak Park, had to wait 13 mins for the next one, thankfully i was getting off at Whitechapel
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Feb 4, 2023 16:33:45 GMT
First time I've ever been on an Overground train that is nonstop between Whitechapel and Highbury and Islington. I guess this is a rare occurrence. There were severe delays on the Overground probably due to the train strikes, and I just missed one at Honor Oak Park, had to wait 13 mins for the next one, thankfully i was getting off at Whitechapel I've definitely been on an Overground which missed the Finchley Road & Frognal and Hampstead Heath stops - and one of the Brondesburies but can't remember which.
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Post by snowman on Mar 1, 2023 15:46:19 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on May 9, 2023 7:26:27 GMT
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 14, 2023 15:57:46 GMT
Should, when the Southern franchise expires, London Overground take over the Southern route from East Croydon to Watford Junction? From what I've heard, Southern rejected the proposal by TFL to stop trains at Hythe Road, however it could be an extremely useful interchange for passengers from Gatwick (changing at East Croydon), and with a more frequent service (2 trains per hour to start off with?) up the WCML like it was pre COVID, it would provide Watford (which has faster trains from Hertfordshire and Birmingham stopping there on London North Western Railway services, and a myriad of Avanti West Coast Services) a link to Old Oak Common, which could be used for interchanges with the Elizabeth Line for Heathrow and the Great Western Main Line. No clue on whether the occasional services continuing north to Hemel Hempstead would keep running however.
Croydon residents - should this service revert to terminating at South Croydon? How busy does the 468 get and would there be demand for a Thornton Heath/Selhurst to South Croydon railway link on an every 30 minute headway?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 14, 2023 16:25:39 GMT
Should, when the Southern franchise expires, London Overground take over the Southern route from East Croydon to Watford Junction? From what I've heard, Southern rejected the proposal by TFL to stop trains at Hythe Road, however it could be an extremely useful interchange for passengers from Gatwick (changing at East Croydon), and with a more frequent service (2 trains per hour to start off with?) up the WCML like it was pre COVID, it would provide Watford (which has faster trains from Hertfordshire and Birmingham stopping there on London North Western Railway services, and a myriad of Avanti West Coast Services) a link to Old Oak Common, which could be used for interchanges with the Elizabeth Line for Heathrow and the Great Western Main Line. No clue on whether the occasional services continuing north to Hemel Hempstead would keep running however.
Croydon residents - should this service revert to terminating at South Croydon? How busy does the 468 get and would there be demand for a Thornton Heath/Selhurst to South Croydon railway link on an every 30 minute headway?
The route in its current form wouldn't be suitable to be part of the London Overground network, as it uses the fast lines on the WCML with very limited stops north of Shepherds Bush. The current Southern service is a really useful link from Watford/Harrow to Shepherds Bush, Kensington and Clapham Junction. But it's not very attractive to use given the hourly frequency. Meanwhile changing at Willesden Junction currently means having to use the very slow Overground service for stations towards Watford. By far the best solution here would be to construct platforms at Willesden Junction on the fast lines, allowing 2-4tph of London Northwestern services to stop here. Then a slightly more frequent Overground service for connections to Clapham Junction. Plus a short connection on the Richmond line to Old Oak Common to access Heathrow and GWR services. It would also be useful to get from WCML stations to places like Richmond, West Hampstead, Camden Road etc, or for a faster connection onto the Bakerloo Line via Paddington.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 14, 2023 16:37:18 GMT
Should, when the Southern franchise expires, London Overground take over the Southern route from East Croydon to Watford Junction? From what I've heard, Southern rejected the proposal by TFL to stop trains at Hythe Road, however it could be an extremely useful interchange for passengers from Gatwick (changing at East Croydon), and with a more frequent service (2 trains per hour to start off with?) up the WCML like it was pre COVID, it would provide Watford (which has faster trains from Hertfordshire and Birmingham stopping there on London North Western Railway services, and a myriad of Avanti West Coast Services) a link to Old Oak Common, which could be used for interchanges with the Elizabeth Line for Heathrow and the Great Western Main Line. No clue on whether the occasional services continuing north to Hemel Hempstead would keep running however. Croydon residents - should this service revert to terminating at South Croydon? How busy does the 468 get and would there be demand for a Thornton Heath/Selhurst to South Croydon railway link on an every 30 minute headway?
The route in its current form wouldn't be suitable to be part of the London Overground network, as it uses the fast lines on the WCML with very limited stops north of Shepherds Bush. The current Southern service is a really useful link from Watford/Harrow to Shepherds Bush, Kensington and Clapham Junction. But it's not very attractive to use given the hourly frequency. Meanwhile changing at Willesden Junction currently means having to use the very slow Overground service for stations towards Watford. By far the best solution here would be to construct platforms at Willesden Junction on the fast lines, allowing 2-4tph of London Northwestern services to stop here. Then a slightly more frequent Overground service for connections to Clapham Junction. Plus a short connection on the Richmond line to Old Oak Common to access Heathrow and GWR services. It would also be useful to get from WCML stations to places like Richmond, West Hampstead, Camden Road etc, or for a faster connection onto the Bakerloo Line via Paddington. Your six thousandth post! I do certainly agree with you re London Northwestern stopping at Willesden Junction. With the Elizabeth Line at OOC, alongside HS2 which may not reach Euston for a while (still think it should have gone to Paddington though), some platforms on the WCML at Willesden Junction would enable the entire area to function as a major interchange. However, I do wish it was possible to connect the Southern services to the Overground line to Watford, so this line could be taken on by LO and run Clapham Jn - Imperial Wharf - W Brompton - Olympia - Shep Bush - Willesden Jn - Harlesden - Stonebridge Park - Wembley Central - N Wembley - S Kenton - Kenton - H&W - Headstone Ln - Hatch End - Carp Park - Bushey - Watford High St - Watford Jn.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 14, 2023 16:44:51 GMT
Should, when the Southern franchise expires, London Overground take over the Southern route from East Croydon to Watford Junction? From what I've heard, Southern rejected the proposal by TFL to stop trains at Hythe Road, however it could be an extremely useful interchange for passengers from Gatwick (changing at East Croydon), and with a more frequent service (2 trains per hour to start off with?) up the WCML like it was pre COVID, it would provide Watford (which has faster trains from Hertfordshire and Birmingham stopping there on London North Western Railway services, and a myriad of Avanti West Coast Services) a link to Old Oak Common, which could be used for interchanges with the Elizabeth Line for Heathrow and the Great Western Main Line. No clue on whether the occasional services continuing north to Hemel Hempstead would keep running however.
Croydon residents - should this service revert to terminating at South Croydon? How busy does the 468 get and would there be demand for a Thornton Heath/Selhurst to South Croydon railway link on an every 30 minute headway?
The route in its current form wouldn't be suitable to be part of the London Overground network, as it uses the fast lines on the WCML with very limited stops north of Shepherds Bush. The current Southern service is a really useful link from Watford/Harrow to Shepherds Bush, Kensington and Clapham Junction. But it's not very attractive to use given the hourly frequency. Meanwhile changing at Willesden Junction currently means having to use the very slow Overground service for stations towards Watford. By far the best solution here would be to construct platforms at Willesden Junction on the fast lines, allowing 2-4tph of London Northwestern services to stop here. Then a slightly more frequent Overground service for connections to Clapham Junction. Plus a short connection on the Richmond line to Old Oak Common to access Heathrow and GWR services. It would also be useful to get from WCML stations to places like Richmond, West Hampstead, Camden Road etc, or for a faster connection onto the Bakerloo Line via Paddington. Apologies if this sounds blunt but what is your obsession with stopping London Northwestern services at Willesden Junction? I don't see an issue with the London Overground using the fast lines on the WCML providing adequate rolling stock is ordered (710s?) to cater for longer distance journeys, and as I'm sure is evident, the London Overground is catered for short hop journeys. The interchange for the WCML and Old Oak Common should be at Watford Junction, because as I have mentioned, Avanti stop services there which cover longer distances than LNWR services do.
Removing the Southern service outright is not the solution, you mentioned that the service provides useful links and if Crossrail to Watford and beyond isn't considered due to difficulties pathing the services, then having a more frequent London Overground service running directly to Old Oak Common could be seen as a feasible solution to soften the blow. Not to mention the Southern service provides extra capacity on the West London Line, and with Westfield now in Shepherd's Bush and Old Oak Common soon to become a major national interchange with all the development and railway services, I think to remove the service outright would be a silly idea. Understandably due to Southern retiring their 455 fleet and the DfT wanting Southern to retire their 313s, they had to free up 377s and this is why the service was cut back to Watford Junction (bar a few extra peak time journeys continuing to Hemel Hempstead) and dropped to an hourly frequency.
While I reminisce the days of Connex running services from Brighton to Milton Keynes Central and Three Bridges/Gatwick Airport to Rugby, I think such extensions coming back is hugely unlikely, and with Southern having refused to stop services at Old Oak Common (Hythe Road), I think the best solution now would be TFL taking the service.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 15, 2023 14:08:03 GMT
Though there are not set in stone plans for a reopening, it has been considered by TFL a number of years ago, would people be in favour of a London Overground stop at Tufnell Park (Junction Road) on the GOBLIN for a direct interchange to the Northern Line? I would be massively in favour of it, but would be interested to hear if others agree
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 15, 2023 14:29:49 GMT
Though there are not set in stone plans for a reopening, it has been considered by TFL a number of years ago, would people be in favour of a London Overground stop at Tufnell Park (Junction Road) on the GOBLIN for a direct interchange to the Northern Line? I would be massively in favour of it, but would be interested to hear if others agree I think it's a good idea. The majority of the interchanges on the Goblin line are OSIs, including Upper Holloway/Archway, Harringay Green Lanes/Harringay, South Tottenham/Seven Sisters, Walthamstow Queen's Road/Walthamstow Central, Leytonstone High Road/Leytonstone, Wanstead Park/Forest Gate, Woodgrange Park/Manor Park. 7 OSis on one line, not including those where they share the same station name. Quite surprised there isn't one between Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House, the same with the two Caledonian Roads
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 15, 2023 14:31:26 GMT
Though there are not set in stone plans for a reopening, it has been considered by TFL a number of years ago, would people be in favour of a London Overground stop at Tufnell Park (Junction Road) on the GOBLIN for a direct interchange to the Northern Line? I would be massively in favour of it, but would be interested to hear if others agree I think it's a good idea. The majority of the interchanges on the Goblin line are OSIs, including Upper Holloway/Archway, Harringay Green Lanes/Harringay, South Tottenham/Seven Sisters, Walthamstow Queen's Road/Walthamstow Central, Leytonstone High Road/Leytonstone, Wanstead Park/Forest Gate, Woodgrange Park/Manor Park. 7 OSis on one line, not including those where they share the same station name. Quite surprised there isn't one between Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House, the same with the two Caledonian Roads There is an OSI between Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 15, 2023 14:33:48 GMT
Though there are not set in stone plans for a reopening, it has been considered by TFL a number of years ago, would people be in favour of a London Overground stop at Tufnell Park (Junction Road) on the GOBLIN for a direct interchange to the Northern Line? I would be massively in favour of it, but would be interested to hear if others agree I think it's a good idea. The majority of the interchanges on the Goblin line are OSIs, including Upper Holloway/Archway, Harringay Green Lanes/Harringay, South Tottenham/Seven Sisters, Walthamstow Queen's Road/Walthamstow Central, Leytonstone High Road/Leytonstone, Wanstead Park/Forest Gate, Woodgrange Park/Manor Park. 7 OSis on one line, not including those where they share the same station name. Quite surprised there isn't one between Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House, the same with the two Caledonian Roads The Caledonian Road one caught me out one time. No idea why it isn't an OSI.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 15, 2023 14:38:04 GMT
I think it's a good idea. The majority of the interchanges on the Goblin line are OSIs, including Upper Holloway/Archway, Harringay Green Lanes/Harringay, South Tottenham/Seven Sisters, Walthamstow Queen's Road/Walthamstow Central, Leytonstone High Road/Leytonstone, Wanstead Park/Forest Gate, Woodgrange Park/Manor Park. 7 OSis on one line, not including those where they share the same station name. Quite surprised there isn't one between Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House, the same with the two Caledonian Roads There is an OSI between Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House Where did you find that information from? I used this website, which did not show Harringay Green Lanes and Manor House to have an OSI oysterfares.com/information-pages/interchanging-trains/osi-list/
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