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Post by greenboy on Jul 29, 2023 8:04:59 GMT
How is it going to break the bank running a service over existing infrastructure? There are no doubt going to be operational costs, more rolling stock needing to be ordered and extra staff however the infrastructure is pre-existing which is where most of the cost of projects stem from. On another note, must admit as someone not local to South East London I was extremely surprised to realise that Lewisham and Bromley weren’t directly linked by train. Anyway I best be off, unfortunately having a bad cold in summer is not anyone’s first choice 😂 I wonder if a direct Bromley North to Hither Green, Lewisham, St John's, New Cross link would take pressure off the 208/261 and back in the day the need for variously the 47 running in sections, the 199 and later 1. Does the shuttle put people off having a change trains I wonder? They would be on the fast lines from Grove Park and could call at Hither Green but would have to then run fast to London Bridge, I doubt they would be able to switch to the slow lines without conflict with other services.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2023 8:08:03 GMT
I wonder if a direct Bromley North to Hither Green, Lewisham, St John's, New Cross link would take pressure off the 208/261 and back in the day the need for variously the 47 running in sections, the 199 and later 1. Does the shuttle put people off having a change trains I wonder? They would be on the fast lines from Grove Park and could call at Hither Green but would have to then run fast to London Bridge, I doubt they would be able to switch to the slow lines without conflict with other services. Oh OK. I assumed there could be a Bromley to Lewisham service.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 29, 2023 8:31:32 GMT
They would be on the fast lines from Grove Park and could call at Hither Green but would have to then run fast to London Bridge, I doubt they would be able to switch to the slow lines without conflict with other services. Oh OK. I assumed there could be a Bromley to Lewisham service. There’s never been one as far as I'm aware, when Bromley North trains did go to Charing Cross they ran fast from Hither Green to London Bridge. I vaguely recall a service from Cannon Street via Lewisham and the Mid Kent line to Beckenham Junction and onto Orpington via Bromley South but it didn't last very long.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 1, 2023 22:02:03 GMT
What a waste of time and money, it is not feasible and a joke imo. It is not even a busy area and more residential. I would rather see St. Anns Rd station reopened than to create a new station there. Or a station at Bakers Arms is more feasible. It is laughable at poor transport links, it is well connected and around 3-4 bus stops away from Wanstead Park. I just realise that the article was from 2012!!!!! Yes I agree that St Ann's Road should take priority especially as St Ann's Hospital is right around the corner. Not sure on what the catchment area for referrals is though.
I reckon if they were to re-instate the station it should be closer to Hermitage Road perhaps? There looks to be more space to build a station there, it encapsulates more of the residential area and isn't as close to South Tottenham.
Bakers Arms wouldn't be a bad shout either to be fair. There does also look like there is space for that as well. Given you're local to the area, I at least thought that the north-south link from Cann Hall might encourage a modal shift from the 58 to the Overground - because by the looks of things (40 minutes from Walthamstow to Cann Hall in the peaks versus a 6-7 minute journey by train!) its a slow journey at present. Or has the Overground already stolen some patronage particularly as it serves Wanstead Park and Leyton Midland Road?
Would you agree on Tufnell Park given the direct interchange with the Northern Line?
I honestly cannot see any of these stations being built. The business case would not be there for it. The Cann Hall Rd one is a joke, it is way too close to Wanstead Park. The 58 did use a lot of people to London Overground, especially when it went to 15 minutes. Most of its stations are near the 58's catchment area. Tufnell Park is a good idea and work well, in a similar way the Victoria Line at Blackhorse Rd interchanges with it. Trouble is, the cost to do this would be staggering but would be worth it imo. It is a shame that the line did not link with the Central either, down to the time the railways were built. I guess as they were competing with each other.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 1, 2023 23:12:00 GMT
Yes I agree that St Ann's Road should take priority especially as St Ann's Hospital is right around the corner. Not sure on what the catchment area for referrals is though.
I reckon if they were to re-instate the station it should be closer to Hermitage Road perhaps? There looks to be more space to build a station there, it encapsulates more of the residential area and isn't as close to South Tottenham.
Bakers Arms wouldn't be a bad shout either to be fair. There does also look like there is space for that as well. Given you're local to the area, I at least thought that the north-south link from Cann Hall might encourage a modal shift from the 58 to the Overground - because by the looks of things (40 minutes from Walthamstow to Cann Hall in the peaks versus a 6-7 minute journey by train!) its a slow journey at present. Or has the Overground already stolen some patronage particularly as it serves Wanstead Park and Leyton Midland Road?
Would you agree on Tufnell Park given the direct interchange with the Northern Line?
I honestly cannot see any of these stations being built. The business case would not be there for it. The Cann Hall Rd one is a joke, it is way too close to Wanstead Park. The 58 did use a lot of people to London Overground, especially when it went to 15 minutes. Most of its stations are near the 58's catchment area. Tufnell Park is a good idea and work well, in a similar way the Victoria Line at Blackhorse Rd interchanges with it. Trouble is, the cost to do this would be staggering but would be worth it imo. It is a shame that the line did not link with the Central either, down to the time the railways were built. I guess as they were competing with each other. St Ann's might justify it when you look at the hospital (hospital links are becoming ever more important) and I suppose at least from a patronage point of view that due to the high demand for journeys along the 29/253/259 corridor for Camden Town, Euston, Kings Cross, West End etc that it might be quite attractive for patrons from South Tottenham (less so, but I'd still argue there could be demand from there even if Seven Sisters is just up the road), St Ann's and Harringay Green Lanes to take the GOBLIN to Tufnell Park and then interchange onto the Northern Line. The OSI is a lot shorter between the two stations, so it could be more attractive than the status quo which is a longer OSI between Archway and Upper Holloway.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 2, 2023 19:24:35 GMT
I honestly cannot see any of these stations being built. The business case would not be there for it. The Cann Hall Rd one is a joke, it is way too close to Wanstead Park. The 58 did use a lot of people to London Overground, especially when it went to 15 minutes. Most of its stations are near the 58's catchment area. Tufnell Park is a good idea and work well, in a similar way the Victoria Line at Blackhorse Rd interchanges with it. Trouble is, the cost to do this would be staggering but would be worth it imo. It is a shame that the line did not link with the Central either, down to the time the railways were built. I guess as they were competing with each other. St Ann's might justify it when you look at the hospital (hospital links are becoming ever more important) and I suppose at least from a patronage point of view that due to the high demand for journeys along the 29/253/259 corridor for Camden Town, Euston, Kings Cross, West End etc that it might be quite attractive for patrons from South Tottenham (less so, but I'd still argue there could be demand from there even if Seven Sisters is just up the road), St Ann's and Harringay Green Lanes to take the GOBLIN to Tufnell Park and then interchange onto the Northern Line. The OSI is a lot shorter between the two stations, so it could be more attractive than the status quo which is a longer OSI between Archway and Upper Holloway.But isn’t St Anns primarily a mental healthcare facility with the only facilities clinics like dental? It seems to only have limited opening hours as well. It seems similar other mental health facilities across London like Tolworth, Springfield and Queen Mary’s. Of those only Queen Mary’s has more than one bus link.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 2, 2023 19:58:31 GMT
St Ann's might justify it when you look at the hospital (hospital links are becoming ever more important) and I suppose at least from a patronage point of view that due to the high demand for journeys along the 29/253/259 corridor for Camden Town, Euston, Kings Cross, West End etc that it might be quite attractive for patrons from South Tottenham (less so, but I'd still argue there could be demand from there even if Seven Sisters is just up the road), St Ann's and Harringay Green Lanes to take the GOBLIN to Tufnell Park and then interchange onto the Northern Line. The OSI is a lot shorter between the two stations, so it could be more attractive than the status quo which is a longer OSI between Archway and Upper Holloway. But isn’t St Anns primarily a mental healthcare facility with the only facilities clinics like dental? It seems to only have limited opening hours as well. It seems similar other mental health facilities across London like Tolworth, Springfield and Queen Mary’s. Of those only Queen Mary’s has more than one bus link. St Ann's has a couple of operating theatres, at least two ophthalmic ones, potentially more disciplines as well. However its opening times are limited and I believe only day cases take place.
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Post by VMH2537 on Oct 18, 2023 11:22:39 GMT
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 20, 2023 7:27:09 GMT
Use some of the SWR 455s once (if they ever) get replaced by the Class 701s , I think it would be quite a good idea to have 2ph from London Bridge increasing to 4ph during peaks .
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Post by 700101 on Oct 23, 2023 19:30:43 GMT
This is a good idea, wasn’t there a plan (can’t remember stock numbers) to transfers some 378’s to the East/South London Lines once the 710’s were in service on the North London Line. If this was the case then this would work LO could even run the extra 2tph peak services as 10 car . Also another benefit would be the use London Bridge as an alternative route for when the East London line section is closed for engineering works (2tph London Bridge to Crystal Palace and 2tph London Bridge to West Croydon) as currently when it is closed the only services running are the Southern’s 2tph London Bridge - Victoria which is a massive drop down from 12tph to 2tph between New Cross - Sydenham At this current time southern can’t even run any more stopping services due to stock numbers which hopefully could be sorted out if they actually get the 379’s and transfer the 387’s down south which would release more 377’s (but we know how the dft is with the railway at the moment)
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 23, 2023 22:22:46 GMT
This is a good idea, wasn’t there a plan (can’t remember stock numbers) to transfers some 378’s to the East/South London Lines once the 710’s were in service on the North London Line. Yes, the purpose of the six 5-car class 710/3s was to cascade a similar number of 378/2s from the North London line for additional East London line services. As this hasn't happened yet, those 710/3s which are currently in use (a couple have yet to enter service, along with one of the 710/2s) are running on the Watford DC line, but one has appeared on the NLL on at least one occasion.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Feb 10, 2024 11:09:55 GMT
Might be a little bit off topic but I think Rectory Road Station should be renamed to West Hackney Station
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 10, 2024 13:31:44 GMT
Might be a little bit off topic but I think Rectory Road Station should be renamed to West Hackney Station Is that only because you had no idea where it is?
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