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Post by mark on Jul 28, 2023 9:48:38 GMT
Not quite “buses in the news” but closely related. The High Court has dismissed a claim made by four London boroughs and Surrey County Council that the expansion of the ULEZ to most of Greater London is unlawful.
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Post by redbus on Jul 28, 2023 11:03:52 GMT
Not quite “buses in the news” but closely related. The High Court has dismissed a claim made by four London boroughs and Surrey County Council that the expansion of the ULEZ to most of Greater London is unlawful. I wonder whether the councils will appeal. I am not surprised at the result. In some ways it might have been better for the Mayor had it succeeded. That way the ULEZ expansion would be delayed, potentially beyond the next Mayoral election, and that would not be the Mayor's fault. He would then keep all the votes of those who support it. Once the ULEZ comes in the Mayor may well lose a lot of votes by those impacted, which he may not have done had it been delayed by the Court.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2023 11:48:30 GMT
Not quite “buses in the news” but closely related. The High Court has dismissed a claim made by four London boroughs and Surrey County Council that the expansion of the ULEZ to most of Greater London is unlawful. I wonder whether the councils will appeal. I am not surprised at the result. In some ways it might have been better for the Mayor had it succeeded. That way the ULEZ expansion would be delayed, potentially beyond the next Mayoral election, and that would not be the Mayor's fault. He would then keep all the votes of those who support it. Once the ULEZ comes in the Mayor may well lose a lot of votes by those impacted, which he may not have done had it been delayed by the Court. The thing that helps the mayor is that he would still retain the support of Inner London who are almost unaffected by the upcoming ULEZ expansion given most of it is already in the zone with only pockets of South London sitting beyond it currently but which will almost certainly vote for Khan. If the Superloop is successful, he might not lose as many votes in Outer London, somewhere he probably doesn’t poll well in anyway even if ULEZ didn’t exist
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 28, 2023 12:54:02 GMT
Not quite “buses in the news” but closely related. The High Court has dismissed a claim made by four London boroughs and Surrey County Council that the expansion of the ULEZ to most of Greater London is unlawful. I wonder whether the councils will appeal. I am not surprised at the result. In some ways it might have been better for the Mayor had it succeeded. That way the ULEZ expansion would be delayed, potentially beyond the next Mayoral election, and that would not be the Mayor's fault. He would then keep all the votes of those who support it. Once the ULEZ comes in the Mayor may well lose a lot of votes by those impacted, which he may not have done had it been delayed by the Court. Given that the Tories would turn it into a referendum on ULEZ, even if were delayed, the votes by those against ULEZ would be lost anyway.
On the contrary, not delaying it would be best for him, as the outer Londoners with compliant vehicles (and those without cars) and thus unaffected by ULEZ might move on from the issue and vote in the mayoral election based on other issues.
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Post by mark on Jul 28, 2023 15:14:52 GMT
I wonder whether the councils will appeal. I am not surprised at the result. In some ways it might have been better for the Mayor had it succeeded. That way the ULEZ expansion would be delayed, potentially beyond the next Mayoral election, and that would not be the Mayor's fault. He would then keep all the votes of those who support it. Once the ULEZ comes in the Mayor may well lose a lot of votes by those impacted, which he may not have done had it been delayed by the Court. Given that the Tories would turn it into a referendum on ULEZ, even if were delayed, the votes by those against ULEZ would be lost anyway.
On the contrary, not delaying it would be best for him, as the outer Londoners with compliant vehicles (and those without cars) and thus unaffected by ULEZ might move on from the issue and vote in the mayoral election based on other issues.
You have pretty much mirrored my own views on this! It is the “fear” of ULEZ that is the issue at the moment. Once it’s in place people will largely learn to live with it. If it is delayed the whole thing will hang over London politics for months.
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Post by redbus on Jul 28, 2023 16:01:22 GMT
Given that the Tories would turn it into a referendum on ULEZ, even if were delayed, the votes by those against ULEZ would be lost anyway.
On the contrary, not delaying it would be best for him, as the outer Londoners with compliant vehicles (and those without cars) and thus unaffected by ULEZ might move on from the issue and vote in the mayoral election based on other issues.
You have pretty much mirrored my own views on this! It is the “fear” of ULEZ that is the issue at the moment. Once it’s in place people will largely learn to live with it. If it is delayed the whole thing will hang over London politics for months. I think the interesting question is how many people will be affected. I think it will be greater than the numbers that TfL have been suggesting. If not too people are impacted you may well be right, it will all pass over and won't really impact next year Mayoral election. If lots more people are impacted, than I wouldn't like to say.
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Post by Buses678 on Jul 28, 2023 21:17:34 GMT
As a person who has booked a driving test, this wont affect me as i live in Inner London. I wasnt even planning to get a car any time soon, I was only getting it so i could become a bus driver. It'll be interesting to see if Sadiq Khan will request TFL to introduce more outer London bus routes onto other wide resedential roads which dont have a link over the next few years.
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Post by rj131 on Jul 29, 2023 7:03:03 GMT
As a person who has booked a driving test, this wont affect me as i live in Inner London. I wasnt even planning to get a car any time soon, I was only getting it so i could become a bus driver. It'll be interesting to see if Sadiq Khan will request TFL to introduce more outer London bus routes onto other wide resedential roads which dont have a link over the next few years. I don’t think we’ll be seeing any more new outer London bus routes, especially after the election. Last time the election was coming up we miraculously saw frequency increases on loads of outer London bus routes, but after he got re-elected it was just cut cut cut again.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 29, 2023 9:40:22 GMT
As a person who has booked a driving test, this wont affect me as i live in Inner London. I wasnt even planning to get a car any time soon, I was only getting it so i could become a bus driver. It'll be interesting to see if Sadiq Khan will request TFL to introduce more outer London bus routes onto other wide resedential roads which dont have a link over the next few years. I don’t think we’ll be seeing any more new outer London bus routes, especially after the election. Last time the election was coming up we miraculously saw frequency increases on loads of outer London bus routes, but after he got re-elected it was just cut cut cut again. it's very tactical so it persuades people to vote for them. The Tories do this at every election and arguably Labour too did it even more than the Tories in 2019. However both were trying to sell you their Brexit lies and why the other was a far worse alternative
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 29, 2023 10:48:10 GMT
I doubt ULEZ will impact on the Mayoral election as much as it did the Uxbridge by-election. Some by-elections turn into single issue campaigns, whereas elections with wider implications have a broader focus. Also, the expansion of ULEZ will be more settled by next May rather than an imminent development.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 29, 2023 14:08:33 GMT
I doubt ULEZ will impact on the Mayoral election as much as it did the Uxbridge by-election. Some by-elections turn into single issue campaigns, whereas elections with wider implications have a broader focus. Also, the expansion of ULEZ will be more settled by next May rather than an imminent development. Exactly. Tories ran Uxbridge on ULEZ solely which gets those dead-set against it to the polling stations for them. Meanwhile Labour didn't have anything local to propose aside from being wishy washy on ULEZ -- which honestly they should have backed Khan on, if anything it would've inspired more confidence than u-turning halfway through the campaign and maybe gained a few more votes (which may or may not have made the difference).
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 30, 2023 13:11:16 GMT
I doubt ULEZ will impact on the Mayoral election as much as it did the Uxbridge by-election. Some by-elections turn into single issue campaigns, whereas elections with wider implications have a broader focus. Also, the expansion of ULEZ will be more settled by next May rather than an imminent development. I think you underestimate the hatred and contempt for Khan in outer London.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 30, 2023 13:53:58 GMT
Starmer told to make up his mind about ULEZ www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/starmer-told-to-get-off-the-fence-and-challenge-sadiq-khan-on-ulez/ar-AA1ev0aU#commentsYet again Starmer is undecisive! On a national level I think that quite a lot of people find both the Tories and Labour unattractive, the Tories for being toxic and selfish regarding the covid parties whilst Starmer doesn't know what he stands for. This could perhaps allow the Lib Dems to take more seats and possibly form a minority government with Labour. Going back to ULEZ and I think that it is too late to stop Khan. He has taken things too far but is too powerful and he knows it. Even the High Court claimed it wasn't unlawful
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2023 15:34:16 GMT
I doubt ULEZ will impact on the Mayoral election as much as it did the Uxbridge by-election. Some by-elections turn into single issue campaigns, whereas elections with wider implications have a broader focus. Also, the expansion of ULEZ will be more settled by next May rather than an imminent development. I think you underestimate the hatred and contempt for Khan in outer London. No doubt in the Tory voting boroughs that’s true but it’s hard to say for sure in more Labour run areas like Ealing, Waltham Forest & Barking & Dagenham - time will tell but I’m not expecting him to be voted out because of the huge backing he has here in Inner London
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 30, 2023 17:36:53 GMT
I think you underestimate the hatred and contempt for Khan in outer London. No doubt in the Tory voting boroughs that’s true but it’s hard to say for sure in more Labour run areas like Ealing, Waltham Forest & Barking & Dagenham - time will tell but I’m not expecting him to be voted out because of the huge backing he has here in Inner London The way I'm see it if Khan gets in again he will see it as support for his pay per mile scheme. He has got the cameras in now, it won't cost much. As soon as he mentions that, I am out of London. If anyone stands a chance of ousting Khan, I will use my vote tactically, otherwise I will find the candidate I can most allign with, which is usually an independent who stands zero chance of getting in. ULEZ is predicted that it will be unprofitable by 2026, the ultimate aim of ULEZ is to get the infrastructure to provide TfL with a steady lasting income stream. The man will destroy London's reputation as a globally important city.
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