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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 31, 2023 13:33:28 GMT
Distancing the national level away from the local level actually makes sense. Yes, Paul Scully is relatively well know compared to some politicians but he was still to a degree involved in the poo show that was COVID. Rebranding the local tories in City Hall to “City Hall Conservatives” in someway detoxifies their overall brand and it separates them from the Westminster crowd. Having someone like Susan Hall fronting that brand makes sense and because a lot of people don’t know much about her it allows for her to create fresh ideas, give fresh opinions and make an impact that way. I think given a creative strategy she could give Khan a good challenge. If all she is going to do is run an anti ULEZ campaign, then she will struggle to get over the line outside of Outer London and Outer London is mostly already Tory leaning anyway. She will have to try to woo Inner London voters who normally associate more closely to Labour and who are nowhere nearly as affected by the ULEZ in comparison bar a few areas south of the South Circular Road - unless something changes, I see her struggling. Anyway, I'm more interested in what independents are running this time as once again, that's where my vote will be going. I too as going to do my research when the independents announce. I really think at this stage city area mayors should be free of party politics. The strongest period for London was under Livingstones first stint where there were no agendas at play, it was just him doing what was best for London. That’s what we need right now.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2023 13:38:27 GMT
If all she is going to do is run an anti ULEZ campaign, then she will struggle to get over the line outside of Outer London and Outer London is mostly already Tory leaning anyway. She will have to try to woo Inner London voters who normally associate more closely to Labour and who are nowhere nearly as affected by the ULEZ in comparison bar a few areas south of the South Circular Road - unless something changes, I see her struggling. Anyway, I'm more interested in what independents are running this time as once again, that's where my vote will be going. I too as going to do my research when the independents announce. I really think at this stage city area mayors should be free of party politics. The strongest period for London was under Livingstones first stint where there were no agendas at play, it was just him doing what was best for London. That’s what we need right now. Absolutely agree with that, we can only dream of that happening again
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 31, 2023 13:52:47 GMT
As addressed when it comes to Jay Foreman and one of his politics videos, unfortunately I don't think I'll be voting for an independent because being realistic, like with the previous election they have no chance, and will probably end up voting for Khan come 2024.
Susan Hall is an absolute disgrace when its come to some of her comments made over social media and she is just going to be turning the election into a ULEZ vs no ULEZ vote. As mentioned by another poster, her Twitter seems to be littered with anti-ULEZ rhetoric, and whilst I can agree the implementation is shoddy and really projects like the West London Orbital SHOULD have been pursued earlier (or at least a plan drawn up by now to reduce the number of people needing to use a car on the A406) the answer is not removing it, but instead invest in active travel and improve public transport.
This seems to be the Conservative party trying to pull the wool over potential voters eyes, they're aware that the ULEZ is a contentious issue and that it is highly controversial and want to get rid of it. Same with Rishi Sunak giving power back to the motorists by vowing to reduce the number of 20 zones, and Susan Hall claiming that widening roads will reduce pollution? Sure. I can see it being a Labour victory next General Election, and this is the Tories trying to pander to voters to try and at least scrape a majority and win.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 31, 2023 14:16:21 GMT
As addressed when it comes to Jay Foreman and one of his politics videos, unfortunately I don't think I'll be voting for an independent because being realistic, like with the previous election they have no chance, and will probably end up voting for Khan come 2024. Susan Hall is an absolute disgrace when its come to some of her comments made over social media and she is just going to be turning the election into a ULEZ vs no ULEZ vote. As mentioned by another poster, her Twitter seems to be littered with anti-ULEZ rhetoric, and whilst I can agree the implementation is shoddy and really projects like the West London Orbital SHOULD have been pursued earlier (or at least a plan drawn up by now to reduce the number of people needing to use a car on the A406) the answer is not removing it, but instead invest in active travel and improve public transport. This seems to be the Conservative party trying to pull the wool over potential voters eyes, they're aware that the ULEZ is a contentious issue and that it is highly controversial and want to get rid of it. Same with Rishi Sunak giving power back to the motorists by vowing to reduce the number of 20 zones, and Susan Hall claiming that widening roads will reduce pollution? Sure. I can see it being a Labour victory next General Election, and this is the Tories trying to pander to voters to try and at least scrape a majority and win. All that Kier has to do is come off the fence is has been sitting on, to either blunt this Conservative policy, or confirm there is a divergence between Conservative and Labour policy in the area and let the public decide. By dithering, he is not building up the confidence of either side, so noone can really back him.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 31, 2023 14:17:38 GMT
As addressed when it comes to Jay Foreman and one of his politics videos, unfortunately I don't think I'll be voting for an independent because being realistic, like with the previous election they have no chance, and will probably end up voting for Khan come 2024. Susan Hall is an absolute disgrace when its come to some of her comments made over social media and she is just going to be turning the election into a ULEZ vs no ULEZ vote. As mentioned by another poster, her Twitter seems to be littered with anti-ULEZ rhetoric, and whilst I can agree the implementation is shoddy and really projects like the West London Orbital SHOULD have been pursued earlier (or at least a plan drawn up by now to reduce the number of people needing to use a car on the A406) the answer is not removing it, but instead invest in active travel and improve public transport. This seems to be the Conservative party trying to pull the wool over potential voters eyes, they're aware that the ULEZ is a contentious issue and that it is highly controversial and want to get rid of it. Same with Rishi Sunak giving power back to the motorists by vowing to reduce the number of 20 zones, and Susan Hall claiming that widening roads will reduce pollution? Sure. I can see it being a Labour victory next General Election, and this is the Tories trying to pander to voters to try and at least scrape a majority and win. All the time you and others have that attitude it will always be the case.
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 31, 2023 15:44:58 GMT
There will also be a Reform Party candidate who would scrap ULEZ if elected.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2023 16:13:46 GMT
There will also be a Reform Party candidate who would scrap ULEZ if elected. Probably the worst candidate anyone could vote for in all honesty and not because of anything to do with the ULEZ either - if anyone is going to vote based on ULEZ, you may as well vote Tory then.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 31, 2023 16:49:47 GMT
As addressed when it comes to Jay Foreman and one of his politics videos, unfortunately I don't think I'll be voting for an independent because being realistic, like with the previous election they have no chance, and will probably end up voting for Khan come 2024. Susan Hall is an absolute disgrace when its come to some of her comments made over social media and she is just going to be turning the election into a ULEZ vs no ULEZ vote. As mentioned by another poster, her Twitter seems to be littered with anti-ULEZ rhetoric, and whilst I can agree the implementation is shoddy and really projects like the West London Orbital SHOULD have been pursued earlier (or at least a plan drawn up by now to reduce the number of people needing to use a car on the A406) the answer is not removing it, but instead invest in active travel and improve public transport. This seems to be the Conservative party trying to pull the wool over potential voters eyes, they're aware that the ULEZ is a contentious issue and that it is highly controversial and want to get rid of it. Same with Rishi Sunak giving power back to the motorists by vowing to reduce the number of 20 zones, and Susan Hall claiming that widening roads will reduce pollution? Sure. I can see it being a Labour victory next General Election, and this is the Tories trying to pander to voters to try and at least scrape a majority and win. All that Kier has to do is come off the fence is has been sitting on, to either blunt this Conservative policy, or confirm there is a divergence between Conservative and Labour policy in the area and let the public decide. By dithering, he is not building up the confidence of either side, so noone can really back him. Yes that very much is a fair point and Keir being on the fence is 100% not helping at all. Given it is a Labour policy introduced by Khan, it wouldn't be such a bad idea for him to at least try and make the idea look credible and back one of his party leaders. I will admit however that compared to how the CC was introduced in 2003, this is extremely shoddy at best and there has been no adequate public transport solution other than a Superloop which is barely any help to those not living by it.
As for your other reply, whilst I do believe an independent candidate would be a sensible idea, there needs to be some decent opposition compared to the last election. Like look at the last independent candidates - they featured the likes of Piers Corbyn, Brian Rose, David Kurten, Laurence Fox and Valerie Brown, and given the first three spread misinformation about the COVID pandemic and I'm sure we're aware of what Laurence Fox is like as an individual Then you had 3 candidates who entered the mayoral race satirically, and the rest of them I had heard next to nothing about. It was great to see the Green Party do well, but even the Lib Dems, an established political party, lost their 10k deposit in the mayoral race due to them getting less than 5% of the vote. It would be nice to have a viable independent candidate but given last election all 14 of them got 2% or less of the vote, you would need some strong willed and outspoken individual that would work in favour of the public that would truly be able to get their policies across to the masses. It's possible, and if there was one then I would vote for them myself, but I do think the mayoral race is, like with the general election, mostly Tories vs Labour, and given the awful choice in candidate for the Tories, I think Labour would be my preference providing there was no other independent candidate worth voting for.
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 31, 2023 17:42:09 GMT
There will also be a Reform Party candidate who would scrap ULEZ if elected. Probably the worst candidate anyone could vote for in all honesty and not because of anything to do with the ULEZ either - if anyone is going to vote based on ULEZ, you may as well vote Tory then. Sounds like a remoaner opinion.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 31, 2023 17:47:43 GMT
A vote for any party other than the two big ones is a vote for Labour. Not to mention how many joke candidates like Piers Corbyn that you can never take seriously. Don't think I'll ever vote for any party other than the two big ones.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 31, 2023 19:22:56 GMT
A vote for any party other than the two big ones is a vote for Labour. Not to mention how many joke candidates like Piers Corbyn that you can never take seriously. Don't think I'll ever vote for any party other than the two big ones. But chances are anyone voting for another party like the Greens or LibDems is likely to have voted Labour anyway otherwise. The fact is this race is between the Tories and Labour and London is a Labour city end of the day and the Tories have a very steep mountain to climb.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 31, 2023 21:26:55 GMT
A vote for any party other than the two big ones is a vote for Labour. Not to mention how many joke candidates like Piers Corbyn that you can never take seriously. Don't think I'll ever vote for any party other than the two big ones. But chances are anyone voting for another party like the Greens or LibDems is likely to have voted Labour anyway otherwise. The fact is this race is between the Tories and Labour and London is a Labour city end of the day and the Tories have a very steep mountain to climb. Lib Dems tends to be more centre ground. Most of their voters either go and back from from either Labour or Conservative. Lib Dems should really be the party to rule the country as the majority of people in the country is centrist.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 31, 2023 21:28:44 GMT
As a person who has booked a driving test, this wont affect me as i live in Inner London. I wasnt even planning to get a car any time soon, I was only getting it so i could become a bus driver. It'll be interesting to see if Sadiq Khan will request TFL to introduce more outer London bus routes onto other wide resedential roads which dont have a link over the next few years. Doubt it, not vote winners for him. He would only do so if it benefited a Labour run council
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 31, 2023 21:34:28 GMT
All that Kier has to do is come off the fence is has been sitting on, to either blunt this Conservative policy, or confirm there is a divergence between Conservative and Labour policy in the area and let the public decide. By dithering, he is not building up the confidence of either side, so noone can really back him. Yes that very much is a fair point and Keir being on the fence is 100% not helping at all. Given it is a Labour policy introduced by Khan, it wouldn't be such a bad idea for him to at least try and make the idea look credible and back one of his party leaders. I will admit however that compared to how the CC was introduced in 2003, this is extremely shoddy at best and there has been no adequate public transport solution other than a Superloop which is barely any help to those not living by it.
As for your other reply, whilst I do believe an independent candidate would be a sensible idea, there needs to be some decent opposition compared to the last election. Like look at the last independent candidates - they featured the likes of Piers Corbyn, Brian Rose, David Kurten, Laurence Fox and Valerie Brown, and given the first three spread misinformation about the COVID pandemic and I'm sure we're aware of what Laurence Fox is like as an individual Then you had 3 candidates who entered the mayoral race satirically, and the rest of them I had heard next to nothing about. It was great to see the Green Party do well, but even the Lib Dems, an established political party, lost their 10k deposit in the mayoral race due to them getting less than 5% of the vote. It would be nice to have a viable independent candidate but given last election all 14 of them got 2% or less of the vote, you would need some strong willed and outspoken individual that would work in favour of the public that would truly be able to get their policies across to the masses. It's possible, and if there was one then I would vote for them myself, but I do think the mayoral race is, like with the general election, mostly Tories vs Labour, and given the awful choice in candidate for the Tories, I think Labour would be my preference providing there was no other independent candidate worth voting for. That is not true. It was a policy introduced by Boris Johnson in March 2015, probably as a ´vote winner´ for the 2016 election. Interestingly Boris intended for the current ULEZ zone to go live in September 2020, but Sadiq chose to bring it forward by a year to April 2019. Old habits eh?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2023 22:01:46 GMT
Probably the worst candidate anyone could vote for in all honesty and not because of anything to do with the ULEZ either - if anyone is going to vote based on ULEZ, you may as well vote Tory then. Sounds like a remoaner opinion. Sorry to disappoint you but I voted Leave so next time, maybe don’t make an assumption and simply ask instead.
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