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Post by busman on Nov 10, 2023 9:16:10 GMT
TfL are not averse to merging and withdrawing lettered routes. We're already losing the R2 (merged into R1/R3) and R6 (merged into B14). Now we're losing the U1 (merged with U3). No seeming logic as to which route number is retained. I don’t think they have set rules or regard for historical significance. In this consultation they are retaining the route number that has the least change. The U3 is merely an extension, whereas parts of the U1 will no longer be served. On the other hand, look at what TfL did with the 13 and 82 just so they could say to the public that the 13 was not being withdrawn. Inconsistent, but as long as it is easy for current and new passengers to understand then I just go with it. |
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Post by lonmark on Nov 10, 2023 15:00:01 GMT
TfL didn't care about how important history routes are, but it is an important thing to save the cost and two routes going into one route will be working well and less for buses standing at the bus stop (terminate)
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 10, 2023 18:15:31 GMT
Tfl have also decided to remove two routes from Kingston lane, this won't be good for Brunel students especially with there being no route from Hillingdon to Brunel if the U2 gets altered. The U4 and a twice hourly U7 won't be sufficient unless the U7 gets a frequency increase which I think it should. I think the U2 should be left alone to maintain uni links, perhaps something else could be extended from West Drayton perhaps make the 698 a day route running from Hayes and Harlington station to Brunel or Uxbridge via its route to West Drayton, then the proposed U2 as far as Kingston Lane and then following the U1 as far as Brunel or Uxbridge
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 10, 2023 18:35:31 GMT
U1/U3 merging makes a lot of sense in my opinion, a frequency of every 10 or 12 mins using double deckers should suffice. The E7 extension is also a decent idea, provides some new links and presumably means the 696 can be reduced from 2 buses to 1 (and hopefully the route does convert to DDs, although this is likely a typo!).
What I don't really understand is the U2 extension to West Drayton. The extension is quite indirect, the 278 already links Hillingdon to the Elizabeth Line (at Hayes and Harlington), and it breaks links to Brunel University. The only benefit I can see is the new link between Cowley and Hillingdon Hospital.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 10, 2023 18:52:18 GMT
Tfl have also decided to remove two routes from Kingston lane, this won't be good for Brunel students especially with there being no route from Hillingdon to Brunel if the U2 gets altered. The U4 and a twice hourly U7 won't be sufficient unless the U7 gets a frequency increase which I think it should. I think the U2 should be left alone to maintain uni links, perhaps something else could be extended from West Drayton perhaps make the 698 a day route running from Hayes and Harlington station to Brunel or Uxbridge via its route to West Drayton, then the proposed U2 as far as Kingston Lane and then following the U1 as far as Brunel or Uxbridge The U4 is DD thou every 8 to 10 mins so is still quite a major carrier along that section. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 20, 2023 8:57:42 GMT
U1/U3 merging makes a lot of sense in my opinion, a frequency of every 10 or 12 mins using double deckers should suffice. The E7 extension is also a decent idea, provides some new links and presumably means the 696 can be reduced from 2 buses to 1 (and hopefully the route does convert to DDs, although this is likely a typo!). What I don't really understand is the U2 extension to West Drayton. The extension is quite indirect, the 278 already links Hillingdon to the Elizabeth Line (at Hayes and Harlington), and it breaks links to Brunel University. The only benefit I can see is the new link between Cowley and Hillingdon Hospital. In the questions section on the consultation webpage TfL have confirmed in response to a question that route E7 will be operated by double deckers. I agree about the U2, will be interesting to see how many people actually use it, however in the overall scheme of things it would not have struck me as an obvious priority, there are more deserving cases for new links elsewhere in London. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Dec 20, 2023 9:13:42 GMT
U1/U3 merging makes a lot of sense in my opinion, a frequency of every 10 or 12 mins using double deckers should suffice. The E7 extension is also a decent idea, provides some new links and presumably means the 696 can be reduced from 2 buses to 1 (and hopefully the route does convert to DDs, although this is likely a typo!). What I don't really understand is the U2 extension to West Drayton. The extension is quite indirect, the 278 already links Hillingdon to the Elizabeth Line (at Hayes and Harlington), and it breaks links to Brunel University. The only benefit I can see is the new link between Cowley and Hillingdon Hospital. In the questions section on the consultation webpage TfL have confirmed in response to a question that route E7 will be operated by double deckers. I agree about the U2, will be interesting to see how many people actually use it, however in the overall scheme of things it would not have struck me as an obvious priority, there are more deserving cases for new links elsewhere in London. Regarding route E7, I still have my doubts that it will actually go double deck as it was not awarded with new double deck electrics instead with single deck ones. The operator of the route Abellio/TUK confirmed the new buses going on the route are Wrightbus Kite Electroliner EV which is an electric single deck model. For route E7 to go double deck, Abellio/TUK will have order new double deck electrics for the route. I haven’t seen any evidence that there’s a plan in motion to do that yet. |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 20, 2023 9:31:16 GMT
In the questions section on the consultation webpage TfL have confirmed in response to a question that route E7 will be operated by double deckers. I agree about the U2, will be interesting to see how many people actually use it, however in the overall scheme of things it would not have struck me as an obvious priority, there are more deserving cases for new links elsewhere in London. Regarding route E7, I still have my doubts that it will actually go double deck as it was not awarded with new double deck electrics instead with single deck ones. The operator of the route Abellio/TUK confirmed the new buses going on the route are Wrightbus Kite Electroliner EV which is an electric single deck model. For route E7 to go double deck, Abellio/TUK will have order new double deck electrics for the route. I haven’t seen any evidence that there’s a plan in motion to do that yet. Unless there is to be a change of plan, the Kites for the E7 are already being delivered and registered. 1701 - LV73 FGU (u/r) 1702 - LV73 FGX ® 12/23 1703 - LV73 FGZ ® 12/23 1704 - LV73 FHA ® 12/23 1705 - LV73 FHB (u/r) 1706 - LV73 FHC ® 12/23 1707 - LV73 FHD ® 12/23 1708 - LV73 FHE ® 12/23 1709 - LV73 FHF (u/r) 1710 - LV73 FHG ® 12/23 1711 - LV73 FHH (u/r) 1712 - LV73 FHJ (u/r) Source: Bus news - Week 15-12-23 (LondonsTransport Google group) |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 20, 2023 10:41:54 GMT
Regarding route E7, I still have my doubts that it will actually go double deck as it was not awarded with new double deck electrics instead with single deck ones. The operator of the route Abellio/TUK confirmed the new buses going on the route are Wrightbus Kite Electroliner EV which is an electric single deck model. For route E7 to go double deck, Abellio/TUK will have order new double deck electrics for the route. I haven’t seen any evidence that there’s a plan in motion to do that yet. Unless there is to be a change of plan, the Kites for the E7 are already being delivered and registered. 1701 - LV73 FGU (u/r) 1702 - LV73 FGX ® 12/23 1703 - LV73 FGZ ® 12/23 1704 - LV73 FHA ® 12/23 1705 - LV73 FHB (u/r) 1706 - LV73 FHC ® 12/23 1707 - LV73 FHD ® 12/23 1708 - LV73 FHE ® 12/23 1709 - LV73 FHF (u/r) 1710 - LV73 FHG ® 12/23 1711 - LV73 FHH (u/r) 1712 - LV73 FHJ (u/r) Source: Bus news - Week 15-12-23 (LondonsTransport Google group) It could be one to take up with TfL then, the communications officer may just be parroting what she has been told whether that is correct or not. |
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Post by Dad91 on Dec 20, 2023 14:19:19 GMT
Unless there is to be a change of plan, the Kites for the E7 are already being delivered and registered. 1701 - LV73 FGU (u/r) 1702 - LV73 FGX ® 12/23 1703 - LV73 FGZ ® 12/23 1704 - LV73 FHA ® 12/23 1705 - LV73 FHB (u/r) 1706 - LV73 FHC ® 12/23 1707 - LV73 FHD ® 12/23 1708 - LV73 FHE ® 12/23 1709 - LV73 FHF (u/r) 1710 - LV73 FHG ® 12/23 1711 - LV73 FHH (u/r) 1712 - LV73 FHJ (u/r) Source: Bus news - Week 15-12-23 (LondonsTransport Google group) It could be one to take up with TfL then, the communications officer may just be parroting what she has been told whether that is correct or not. if E7 goes Double Decker near future be wasted Money Or doe New GB Kite could be used on H28 for new contract next year. That's if happens |
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Post by kmkcheng on Dec 20, 2023 14:46:31 GMT
It could be one to take up with TfL then, the communications officer may just be parroting what she has been told whether that is correct or not. if E7 goes Double Decker near future be wasted Money Or doe New GB Kite could be used on H28 for new contract next year. That's if happens They would used for a future tender bid if E7 gets decked |
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Dec 21, 2023 15:06:05 GMT
if E7 goes Double Decker near future be wasted Money Or doe New GB Kite could be used on H28 for new contract next year. That's if happens They would used for a future tender bid if E7 gets decked I think that they would be used on the R70 with new electric double deckers ordered for the E7 against the R70 contract. (as somebody said earlier in this thread) |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 21, 2023 18:23:00 GMT
They would used for a future tender bid if E7 gets decked I think that they would be used on the R70 with new electric double deckers ordered for the E7 against the R70 contract. (as somebody said earlier in this thread) That would make a lot of sense, the PVRs of the E7 and R70 match up perfectly, and it would explain the unexpected award of the R70 with new electrics while the R68 retained its existing diesels. |
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Dec 22, 2023 12:36:13 GMT
I think that they would be used on the R70 with new electric double deckers ordered for the E7 against the R70 contract. (as somebody said earlier in this thread) That would make a lot of sense, the PVRs of the E7 and R70 match up perfectly, and it would explain the unexpected award of the R70 with new electrics while the R68 retained its existing diesels. Although another explanation of that peculiar award can be found in today's tender result. |
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Post by secretbu5dude on Dec 26, 2023 19:58:52 GMT
It could be one to take up with TfL then, the communications officer may just be parroting what she has been told whether that is correct or not. if E7 goes Double Decker near future be wasted Money Or doe New GB Kite could be used on H28 for new contract next year. That's if happens Couldn't they add existing hybrids to the contract as extras (providing a route test is succesful)? |
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