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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 22, 2019 19:15:33 GMT
Interesting, maybe its been converted to Euro VI? I wouldnt know of a reason for it to convert to Euro 6 as the 433 doesnt require euro 6 buses? All buses have to be converted to Euro VI by next year
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 22, 2019 19:32:16 GMT
Interesting, maybe its been converted to Euro VI? I wouldnt know of a reason for it to convert to Euro 6 as the 433 doesnt require euro 6 buses? The LEZ requirements for buses become more strict from October 2020 - every last one has to be Euro 6 compliant. There is a retrofit programme in place to upgrade Euro 4 and 5 buses to Euro 6, but only if they're going to hang around for at least a couple of years as it costs a pretty penny to do the upgrades. I expect a large number of Euro 3 engined buses to go for scrap value or dirt cheap over the next 2 years as a result!
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Post by M1104 on Jan 23, 2019 4:04:10 GMT
I can only speculate that it could either be fuel evaluation against the 64 reg batch, the blinds are stuck on 201 or simply repetitive coincidence that it's allocated to the same route everyday. This can be a possibility, but for fuel evaluation, the outcome may be that it is more feasible to run it on 201 than 433. Having said that, doesn't explain why only that bus is chosen, the 59reg are also on the same emission level as the 12reg? The 59 reg examples are shorter in length and carry less seated passengers than the 12 reg versions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 10:56:49 GMT
The new depot's not scheduled to be completed until July, according to this month's LOTS. It's therefore likely if any of those routes are to be based there it won't be from day one of their respective contracts. Brings up the question where on earth the 207 is going to end up, I wonder if QB could be seen as a temporary option as I am not too sure if the current AB/WS have space for a route that size. I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 24, 2019 12:01:48 GMT
Brings up the question where on earth the 207 is going to end up, I wonder if QB could be seen as a temporary option as I am not too sure if the current AB/WS have space for a route that size. I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Oh wow this will be interesting. Will this new depot close both the current WS and temporary AB base and amalgamated into one depot? I don’t wish to sound cynical here as pessimism isn’t really my style but I’m getting really bad instincts about the 207 run by Abellio. If TF is to be used it’s a huge distance away from the route which won’t help reliability at all, not to mention the route getting a substantial PVR cut but without (as far as we know) a change in frequency, which I think will end up descending into a ‘13 mark 2’ situation. 28 vehicles is physically not enough vehicles to maintain a 5-6 minute headway in the peaks (provided londonbusroutes.net quoted time of 78 minutes is correct) let alone the rest time at each end. So for that reason oddly I really hope there is a marginal frequency reduction so there’s any hope it can be ran properly. But then if there is a reduction AND the 427 being taken out from Acton to Southall ..... oh dear. Poor 607 is all I can say to that. So yeah, will be very happy to be proved wrong but I think the route will become total mayhem. I mean Abellio are a good operator and run probably the most tightly timetables routes routes of all and I would LOVE to eat humble pie 🥧, as I’m also thinking ‘good on Abellio taking on their biggest and busiest ever route’. However I think this could be a step too far
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2019 12:21:43 GMT
I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Oh wow this will be interesting. Will this new depot close both the current WS and temporary AB base and amalgamated into one depot? I don’t wish to sound cynical here as pessimism isn’t really my style but I’m getting really bad instincts about the 207 run by Abellio. If TF is to be used it’s a huge distance away from the route which won’t help reliability at all, not to mention the route getting a substantial PVR cut but without (as far as we know) a change in frequency, which I think will end up descending into a ‘13 mark 2’ situation. 28 vehicles is physically not enough vehicles to maintain a 5-6 minute headway in the peaks (provided londonbusroutes.net quoted time of 78 minutes is correct) let alone the rest time at each end. So for that reason oddly I really hope there is a marginal frequency reduction so there’s any hope it can be ran properly. But then if there is a reduction AND the 427 being taken out from Acton to Southall ..... oh dear. Poor 607 is all I can say to that. So yeah, will be very happy to be proved wrong but I think the route will become total mayhem. I mean Abellio are a good operator and run probably the most tightly timetables routes routes of all and I would LOVE to eat humble pie 🥧, as I’m also thinking ‘good on Abellio taking on their biggest and busiest ever route’. However I think this could be a step too far Let’s actually wait till they start operating the route first before judging them - they have experience from running the 427 along the same corridor so will no doubt pull from that experience for the new route. The new garage replaces AB only IIRC as the current AB was temporary until the new one was finished.
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Post by redexpress on Jan 24, 2019 13:48:11 GMT
Brings up the question where on earth the 207 is going to end up, I wonder if QB could be seen as a temporary option as I am not too sure if the current AB/WS have space for a route that size. I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF
207 from TF will certainly be interesting. I suppose it helps that the N207 will keep quite a few buses on the road at night, so no need to find space for the full allocation.
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Post by snowman on Jan 24, 2019 14:20:29 GMT
I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF 207 from TF will certainly be interesting. I suppose it helps that the N207 will keep quite a few buses on the road at night, so no need to find space for the full allocation.
TF always seems crowded (although it lost the K3 few months back) From memory TF only has single decks, and might only have a single deck bus wash (not sure on this)
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 24, 2019 14:24:18 GMT
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF 207 from TF will certainly be interesting. I suppose it helps that the N207 will keep quite a few buses on the road at night, so no need to find space for the full allocation.
TF always seems crowded (although it lost the K3 few months back) From memory TF only has single decks, and might only have a single deck bus wash (not sure on this) I wonder if the K1 could potentially be going back to BC temporarily to make space for the 207?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 24, 2019 14:30:03 GMT
I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF 207 from TF will certainly be interesting. I suppose it helps that the N207 will keep quite a few buses on the road at night, so no need to find space for the full allocation.
Apparently, the N207 will be using vehicles from the 427, so will likely be operated from WS or both TF and WS.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2019 15:03:56 GMT
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF 207 from TF will certainly be interesting. I suppose it helps that the N207 will keep quite a few buses on the road at night, so no need to find space for the full allocation.
TF always seems crowded (although it lost the K3 few months back) From memory TF only has single decks, and might only have a single deck bus wash (not sure on this) Indeed, I think there might have been only ever been deckers at TF during the TF running day or if any were ever parked up for storage - every other garage under the Travel London/Abellio umbrella has had deckers including the Surrey side and that's even ignoring the Green Bus Tridents - the 400 was double decker operated using L2 & L3 under Travel London before they were eventually replaced by two V reg Tridents (9715 & 25 might have been the vehicles in question but I can't quite recall)
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 24, 2019 15:18:48 GMT
TF always seems crowded (although it lost the K3 few months back) From memory TF only has single decks, and might only have a single deck bus wash (not sure on this) I wonder if the K1 could potentially be going back to BC temporarily to make space for the 207? Thats what I was thinking too.
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 24, 2019 15:35:31 GMT
TF always seems crowded (although it lost the K3 few months back) From memory TF only has single decks, and might only have a single deck bus wash (not sure on this) Indeed, I think there might have been only ever been deckers at TF during the TF running day or if any were ever parked up for storage - every other garage under the Travel London/Abellio umbrella has had deckers including the Surrey side and that's even ignoring the Green Bus Tridents - the 400 was double decker operated using L2 & L3 under Travel London before they were eventually replaced by two V reg Tridents (9715 & 25 might have been the vehicles in question but I can't quite recall) The 350 got transferred to TF while still using Double Deckers about few weeks before it was converted back to Single Deckers back in 2017 and the first three months of Abellio running the U5 using Double Deckers was also ran from TF before it eventually got transferred to WS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 16:13:07 GMT
I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF Oops I need to update my list then!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 18:24:26 GMT
I am hearing the 207 is going to TF until the new depot is ready. The 350 and U7 cannot be moved out of WS to accommodate either.
Oh wow this will be interesting. Will this new depot close both the current WS and temporary AB base and amalgamated into one depot? I don’t wish to sound cynical here as pessimism isn’t really my style but I’m getting really bad instincts about the 207 run by Abellio. If TF is to be used it’s a huge distance away from the route which won’t help reliability at all, not to mention the route getting a substantial PVR cut but without (as far as we know) a change in frequency, which I think will end up descending into a ‘13 mark 2’ situation. 28 vehicles is physically not enough vehicles to maintain a 5-6 minute headway in the peaks (provided londonbusroutes.net quoted time of 78 minutes is correct) let alone the rest time at each end. So for that reason oddly I really hope there is a marginal frequency reduction so there’s any hope it can be ran properly. But then if there is a reduction AND the 427 being taken out from Acton to Southall ..... oh dear. Poor 607 is all I can say to that. So yeah, will be very happy to be proved wrong but I think the route will become total mayhem. I mean Abellio are a good operator and run probably the most tightly timetables routes routes of all and I would LOVE to eat humble pie 🥧, as I’m also thinking ‘good on Abellio taking on their biggest and busiest ever route’. However I think this coups be a step too far There will probably be minimal dead running during this time, I imagine a sign on at TF and a ferry car to Hayes By-Pass to pick up the bus. The current Abellio MD knows the 207 very well.
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