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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 25, 2019 20:49:26 GMT
I had 8328 and 8331 over the weekend. These are the shorter E200s at WL.
They've definitely been tweaked up from the original settings from this generation of E200s. They'll rev up to 2300rpm - I think it was closer to 2000rpm before. The Euro 4 era E200s went up to 2500.
8328 was an odd one - from White City to North Acton it was struggling to top 20mph which delighted other motorists on the A40 - not. After serving the station it suddenly sprang into life and performed as expected. Better actually, as it readily downshifted on request. 8331 however doesn't have this function.
Although these buses rattle and shake like nobody's business, I'd far rather have one of these on the Stratford to Richmond route than a longer 88xx MMC. It goes without saying there is no contest with their younger sisters 8343-47 which can't be faulted!
Also had 8226 which is a stop start Voith boxed MMC. Well it was doing the stop bit ok, it just wouldn't start again unless the ignition was pressed within a couple of seconds of it stopping or being isolated and switched on again! It never once restarted automatically - or is this how these buses are supposed to work?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 26, 2019 6:31:41 GMT
Looks like LT664-LT681 will be the batch transferring with the route 211 when the route goes to RATP on Saturday.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 26, 2019 9:24:12 GMT
Looks like LT664-LT681 will be the batch transferring with the route 211 when the route goes to RATP on Saturday. Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27.
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Post by paulo on Jun 26, 2019 9:45:12 GMT
Looks like LT664-LT681 will be the batch transferring with the route 211 when the route goes to RATP on Saturday. Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27. It would be far too sensible and cost effective for that to happen.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 26, 2019 10:38:17 GMT
Also had 8226 which is a stop start Voith boxed MMC. Well it was doing the stop bit ok, it just wouldn't start again unless the ignition was pressed within a couple of seconds of it stopping or being isolated and switched on again! It never once restarted automatically - or is this how these buses are supposed to work? With the old Routemasters when the buses were stationary I believe the engines[1] power down to only one or two cylinders operating, hence that slight knocking noise one would hear within those units. Then when the driver is ready to drive the bus all the cylinders come back into operation. I often wonder why this was never adopted in newer buses, even though the stop-start is more effective in reducing on overall fuel consumption. [1] - the original units and not the aftermarket Cummins, Iveco, etc
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Post by shroudoffrost on Jun 26, 2019 11:29:38 GMT
I had 8328 and 8331 over the weekend. These are the shorter E200s at WL. They've definitely been tweaked up from the original settings from this generation of E200s. They'll rev up to 2300rpm - I think it was closer to 2000rpm before. The Euro 4 era E200s went up to 2500. 8328 was an odd one - from White City to North Acton it was struggling to top 20mph which delighted other motorists on the A40 - not. After serving the station it suddenly sprang into life and performed as expected. Better actually, as it readily downshifted on request. 8331 however doesn't have this function. Although these buses rattle and shake like nobody's business, I'd far rather have one of these on the Stratford to Richmond route than a longer 88xx MMC. It goes without saying there is no contest with their younger sisters 8343-47 which can't be faulted! Also had 8226 which is a stop start Voith boxed MMC. Well it was doing the stop bit ok, it just wouldn't start again unless the ignition was pressed within a couple of seconds of it stopping or being isolated and switched on again! It never once restarted automatically - or is this how these buses are supposed to work? Engine is supposed to restart automatically when the rear doors have shut....sounds like yours was slightly broken.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 26, 2019 12:14:20 GMT
Engine is supposed to restart automatically when the rear doors have shut....sounds like yours was slightly broken. I thought as much! When I shut the rear doors all that happened was the ignition cut out warning appear on the dash. Last time round, one of the 82xx buses would pull away then the engine cut out after a few seconds of driving. I was just as baffled then but thankfully didn't leave the garage with it. Think the technology still has some way to come!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 14:31:48 GMT
Looks like LT664-LT681 will be the batch transferring with the route 211 when the route goes to RATP on Saturday. Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27. Makes a lot of sense this could be why this batch was chosen.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 26, 2019 19:16:31 GMT
Looks like LT664-LT681 will be the batch transferring with the route 211 when the route goes to RATP on Saturday. Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27. That'd be sensible idea. In the short term, it would be a waste of time to reblind this batch and paint RATP logos on. I think V probably could cope with a common batch of LTs between the 9/27 with the 211 having an isolated batch and if worst comes to worst it isn't the end of the world if they have to put some paper on the windscreen to use the bus on the 9 or 27. Very sensible idea
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 19:32:07 GMT
Looks like LT664-LT681 will be the batch transferring with the route 211 when the route goes to RATP on Saturday. Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27. Was thinking about this a bit more. I wonder if Abellio have started to fit new blinds to LTs excluding 664-681 with route 24 and 27 therefore restricting these to route 211, these then transfer to RATP temporarily then get fitted with new blinds when the 27 moves the other way.
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Post by snowman on Jun 26, 2019 19:53:08 GMT
Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27. Was thinking about this a bit more. I wonder if Abellio have started to fit new blinds to LTs excluding 664-681 with route 24 and 27 therefore restricting these to route 211, these then transfer to RATP temporarily then get fitted with new blinds when the 27 moves the other way. I love the assumption that RATP want to operate buses plastered with a rivals (Abellio) logos I would have thought Abellio have to hand them over logo less However if they go back in few months can’t see RATP wasting time sticking there own logos on, If have to come off again
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 26, 2019 19:56:10 GMT
Perhaps RATP could keep these as an interim batch, possibly without reblinding or replacing logos - then these (along with a few other LTs from V) could soon return to QB for the 27. Was thinking about this a bit more. I wonder if Abellio have started to fit new blinds to LTs excluding 664-681 with route 24 and 27 therefore restricting these to route 211, these then transfer to RATP temporarily then get fitted with new blinds when the 27 moves the other way. Maybe RATP will want to get rid of the older examples.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 19:56:39 GMT
Was thinking about this a bit more. I wonder if Abellio have started to fit new blinds to LTs excluding 664-681 with route 24 and 27 therefore restricting these to route 211, these then transfer to RATP temporarily then get fitted with new blinds when the 27 moves the other way. I love the assumption that RATP want to operate buses plastered with a rivals (Abellio) logos I would have thought Abellio have to hand them over logo less However if they go back in few months can’t see RATP wasting time sticking there own logos on, If have to come off again Its happened before with Stagecoach Tridents on the 69 under Tower Transit and more recently Stagecoach E400s on the 20 but this was only x2.
Perhaps they can run with any logos (Assuming these do return to Abellio)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 19:57:45 GMT
Was thinking about this a bit more. I wonder if Abellio have started to fit new blinds to LTs excluding 664-681 with route 24 and 27 therefore restricting these to route 211, these then transfer to RATP temporarily then get fitted with new blinds when the 27 moves the other way. Maybe RATP will want to get rid of the older examples. That's true they are also going to end up with the older 24 batch too!
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Post by rif153 on Jun 26, 2019 20:22:35 GMT
I love the assumption that RATP want to operate buses plastered with a rivals (Abellio) logos I would have thought Abellio have to hand them over logo less However if they go back in few months can’t see RATP wasting time sticking there own logos on, If have to come off again Its happened before with Stagecoach Tridents on the 69 under Tower Transit and more recently Stagecoach E400s on the 20 but this was only x2.
Perhaps they can run with any logos (Assuming these do return to Abellio)
Did the Stagecoach tridents on the 23 bear Stagecoach logos?
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