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Post by SILENCED on Mar 9, 2024 23:17:15 GMT
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. And as per usual will be working classes affected , not the "work from home chai latte mob" who don't want to hear "horrible vehicles" coming through their streets but expect Amazon deliveries to be there on time etc it's ridiculous Newham and in particular and that Romford Rd stretch is one of the most densely populated areas in England let alone London, why oh why would you make things even more difficult than they are blocking up side roads ? The only logic I can see with LTNs is the councils make shiz load of money in fines so it's a source of revenue . I have see a lot online lately about "15 minute Cities" and at first thought it was all nonsense but I can honestly see it or something similar happening in a few years the same with this Pay Per Mile nonsense also planned . We have 15 minutes cities! They are called high streets. Let's invest in them and make them attractive and places shoppers want to go to. Too many are run down.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 11, 2024 1:15:06 GMT
Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
I’m not so sure it’s about that because most in Lambeth will always vote the same way regardless - few vote for Tory or even Lib Dem here. Khan might think that way but really, it wouldn’t of made any difference and besides, the LTN’s in Lambeth are all council introduced schemes - the TfL scheme on Streatham Hill with the cycle lanes & reduced road space has yet to start and that’s the one where the cynicism should be aimed at personally given it won’t start until after the election. Lambeth Living Streets and a cycling group have already released a joint statement asking for a timeline as to when the LTN’s suspension so as you and I say, it isn’t going anywhere (the others across Lambeth have all been made permanent or are in the process of doing so) but what really gets my goat is the council failing to listen to residents elsewhere in Lambeth despite protests outside the town hall on several occasions so now, what it looks like is Streatham is more important than us in Brixton or Tulse Hill or Oval, etc. The amendment to the Streatham LTN will apparently include some bus priority - I wish Lambeth weren’t so vague about it because I’m not sure where it can go given most of the high road has one other than bottlenecks or the single lane section south of the common it is like football team mentality. One of the reasons why places like Lambeth, Harringey, Hackney, Waltham Forest do these things as they know no matter the consequences they would get away with it. IN Harringey there was loads of protests etc and the councillors did not care, plain and simple because these people voted for them and they know they would be voted back in.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 11, 2024 1:19:35 GMT
Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. These LTN's are for the Champagne Socialist hipsters that are springing up in places that were previously deprived in the 70's and 80's where many of them would not even have ventured back then. I would not be surprised this was egged on by Clyde Loakes to do the Newham one. It is lunacy creating more traffic on main roads and pollution for the benefit of a minority NIMBY type people.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 11, 2024 1:23:07 GMT
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. Tottenham has it's fair few since the Gentrification of West Green and Bruce Grove, though the back streets where the W4 runs is unaffected. I think the School Zones are fine, but the area around La Rose Lane (Black Boy Lane) are unnecessary. Councils will point to the severe cuts inflicted by the current Government (hopefully Sunak will lose the route soon) as to why these things were brought in. Some have taken to damaging the cameras It has ruined the W4 route. Since all these LTN's started a lot of the time during the day when the W4 could run at ease unless there was roadworks, the route is much slower and during the peaks loses so much time. It is NOTHING to do with government cuts it is just pure simple BS, as they had to spend money to set up these schemes and various companies make money out of these things.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 11, 2024 1:24:39 GMT
Believe me, it won’t be axed - it will be slightly adjusted and Lambeth will claim they have listened. Lambeth have no or are in the process of making all the other LTN’s permanent (my area was done already and we were only 2nd to Oval in terms of when it was implemented). Lambeth only cares about cyclists - AFAIK, there has never been any comment on buses from them in the last few years when we’ve faced cut after cut The council cares more about the revenue they raise than the cyclists. Cause congestion, people more likely to look for short cuts and get caught by the cameras. A lot of people have now resorted to covered part of their plates and driving through them and even worst using fake plates.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 11, 2024 1:26:48 GMT
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. And as per usual will be working classes affected , not the "work from home chai latte mob" who don't want to hear "horrible vehicles" coming through their streets but expect Amazon deliveries to be there on time etc it's ridiculous Newham and in particular and that Romford Rd stretch is one of the most densely populated areas in England let alone London, why oh why would you make things even more difficult than they are blocking up side roads ? The only logic I can see with LTNs is the councils make shiz load of money in fines so it's a source of revenue . I have see a lot online lately about "15 minute Cities" and at first thought it was all nonsense but I can honestly see it or something similar happening in a few years the same with this Pay Per Mile nonsense also planned . They seemed to have made thier peak from standard parking fines and CPZ's these LTN's are the new cash cows since many people wised up from parking rules.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 11, 2024 1:28:34 GMT
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 11, 2024 6:03:20 GMT
Tottenham has it's fair few since the Gentrification of West Green and Bruce Grove, though the back streets where the W4 runs is unaffected. I think the School Zones are fine, but the area around La Rose Lane (Black Boy Lane) are unnecessary. Councils will point to the severe cuts inflicted by the current Government (hopefully Sunak will lose the route soon) as to why these things were brought in. Some have taken to damaging the cameras It has ruined the W4 route. Since all these LTN's started a lot of the time during the day when the W4 could run at ease unless there was roadworks, the route is much slower and during the peaks loses so much time. It is NOTHING to do with government cuts it is just pure simple BS, as they had to spend money to set up these schemes and various companies make money out of these things. I guess you are right about the various companies such as those supplying the CCTV systems, the barbed wire and spikes to protect them from vandalism, the contractors re designing the roads and fitting all these signs... I never noticed how the W4 has changed going down The Avenue but have noticed the traffic on Belmont Road turning onto West Green Road. Something has to be done, but I think councils are just taking advantage of a government in its death throes with no proper structure
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 11, 2024 13:37:17 GMT
I’m not so sure it’s about that because most in Lambeth will always vote the same way regardless - few vote for Tory or even Lib Dem here. Khan might think that way but really, it wouldn’t of made any difference and besides, the LTN’s in Lambeth are all council introduced schemes - the TfL scheme on Streatham Hill with the cycle lanes & reduced road space has yet to start and that’s the one where the cynicism should be aimed at personally given it won’t start until after the election. Lambeth Living Streets and a cycling group have already released a joint statement asking for a timeline as to when the LTN’s suspension so as you and I say, it isn’t going anywhere (the others across Lambeth have all been made permanent or are in the process of doing so) but what really gets my goat is the council failing to listen to residents elsewhere in Lambeth despite protests outside the town hall on several occasions so now, what it looks like is Streatham is more important than us in Brixton or Tulse Hill or Oval, etc. The amendment to the Streatham LTN will apparently include some bus priority - I wish Lambeth weren’t so vague about it because I’m not sure where it can go given most of the high road has one other than bottlenecks or the single lane section south of the common it is like football team mentality. One of the reasons why places like Lambeth, Harringey, Hackney, Waltham Forest do these things as they know no matter the consequences they would get away with it. IN Harringey there was loads of protests etc and the councillors did not care, plain and simple because these people voted for them and they know they would be voted back in. Agreed and then when you do get a local independent political party that even though is still left wing on paper doesn't play ball then they turn the screws in i.e like in Tower Hamlets , I think local political parties for local areas are needed everywhere personally for anything to change and for them to do what people want instead of the we know best attitude that goes from the bottom right to the top .
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 11, 2024 17:42:31 GMT
Minimum Traffic in Streatham Today. I got to the end of Steatham Common North with no delays today!
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 11, 2024 18:24:50 GMT
Minimum Traffic in Streatham Today. I got to the end of Steatham Common North with no delays today! Has it been suspended already or was it just lighter on the roads today?
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Post by ronnie on Mar 11, 2024 18:38:14 GMT
Minimum Traffic in Streatham Today. I got to the end of Steatham Common North with no delays today! Time to wrap up end to ends in the area!
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 21, 2024 21:03:58 GMT
Not sure if iv been just been lucky but I've been down Streatham High Road 3 times this week and its been like hot knife through butter with no delays at all.
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Post by ronnie on Mar 21, 2024 23:18:35 GMT
Not sure if iv been just been lucky but I've been down Streatham High Road 3 times this week and its been like hot knife through butter with no delays at all. Likewise, I did the 118 the other day and it was a breeze. Shows how awful the LTN was. Let’s hope the local councillors lose their seats asap!!!
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 22, 2024 10:48:15 GMT
Not sure if iv been just been lucky but I've been down Streatham High Road 3 times this week and its been like hot knife through butter with no delays at all. Likewise, I did the 118 the other day and it was a breeze. Shows how awful the LTN was. Let’s hope the local councillors lose their seats asap!!! Let's hope someone has some sense (unlikely I know) to have gathered data before and after it was suspended. I have to say thou and admittedly I was a little bit before the rush hour but the 109s and 250s I took on different days were not as busy as they used to be. I always used to find they were the sort of routes anytime of days both deck were quite full. I really hope the damage of the LTN hasn't permanently caused people to re think their journeys.
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