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Post by allentc on Dec 12, 2023 13:42:09 GMT
Interesting article here about the effect of Streatham Wells LTNs:
If you have a Times subscription you can read more here:
Some of the examples quoted:
- 45 minutes to travel along one of the boundary roads that is timetabled to take 11 minutes
- 55 minutes to travel two stops when it used to take 4 minutes
- The 255 took up to 45 minutes to travel 0.9 along a stretch of Streatham High Road (previously 11 mins)
- The 118 taking almost 1 hour to 1.3 miles across a junction of two of the LTNs boundary roads (previously 14 mins)
The article states that problem is so bad that drivers are facing abuse from passengers and the delay means they finish their shifts late.
"“TfL don’t like criticism. Sadly the union won’t do anything because they’re Labour and it’s Labour councils putting in LTNs. It’s all political. But a lot of drivers are at breaking point." The drivers have formed an "alliance" outside of the union using a social media closed group.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 12, 2023 16:11:42 GMT
Interesting article here about the effect of Streatham Wells LTNs:
If you have a Times subscription you can read more here: Some of the examples quoted:
- 45 minutes to travel along one of the boundary roads that is timetabled to take 11 minutes
- 55 minutes to travel two stops when it used to take 4 minutes
- The 255 took up to 45 minutes to travel 0.9 along a stretch of Streatham High Road (previously 11 mins)
- The 118 taking almost 1 hour to 1.3 miles across a junction of two of the LTNs boundary roads (previously 14 mins)
The article states that problem is so bad that drivers are facing abuse from passengers and the delay means they finish their shifts late. "“TfL don’t like criticism. Sadly the union won’t do anything because they’re Labour and it’s Labour councils putting in LTNs. It’s all political. But a lot of drivers are at breaking point." The drivers have formed an "alliance" outside of the union using a social media closed group.
The 118 has been the most affected route from my own observations - since the LTN was implemented, I've seen just about every turn possible at any time of the day bar nights including a rare Streatham Station turn. Others heavily turned I've noticed have been the 109, 159 & 250 with more than usual turns but to a lesser extent on the 133. The 333 seems to escaping this, most if not all still managing to do the full route. My friend lives within the LTN and he has mentioned that traffic has been even more horrendous than normal - queues pre LTN on the A23 southbound usually were from St Leonards Church to Leigham Avenue but these have increased back to Streatham Hill Station whilst northbound from St Leonards Church back to Tesco seems to be roughly the same. I can imgaine Tooting Bec Gardens is also worse than ever, a road that was already problematic with traffic for many years. One thing I think should be noted is whilst Labour Councils in London are introducing LTN's, there are Tory Councils outside London who have introduced them including, correct me if I'm wrong, Sunak's own council up in Yorkshire. Regardless, I've always been of the opinion that whilst I'm all for cutting car numbers drastically because there are too many IMO, LTN's have never been the way to do so. I saw the problems that my own area faced when we had LTN's put in and Lambeth Council has made them permanent despite numerous protests in Brixton, and so the same will happen in Streatham regardless which is also Lambeth run just like the ones in Oval, Tulse Hill & Streatham Hill have all been made permanent or will do so.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 12, 2023 21:50:38 GMT
Interesting article here about the effect of Streatham Wells LTNs:
If you have a Times subscription you can read more here: Some of the examples quoted:
- 45 minutes to travel along one of the boundary roads that is timetabled to take 11 minutes
- 55 minutes to travel two stops when it used to take 4 minutes
- The 255 took up to 45 minutes to travel 0.9 along a stretch of Streatham High Road (previously 11 mins)
- The 118 taking almost 1 hour to 1.3 miles across a junction of two of the LTNs boundary roads (previously 14 mins)
The article states that problem is so bad that drivers are facing abuse from passengers and the delay means they finish their shifts late. "“TfL don’t like criticism. Sadly the union won’t do anything because they’re Labour and it’s Labour councils putting in LTNs. It’s all political. But a lot of drivers are at breaking point." The drivers have formed an "alliance" outside of the union using a social media closed group.
The 118 has been the most affected route from my own observations - since the LTN was implemented, I've seen just about every turn possible at any time of the day bar nights including a rare Streatham Station turn. Others heavily turned I've noticed have been the 109, 159 & 250 with more than usual turns but to a lesser extent on the 133. The 333 seems to escaping this, most if not all still managing to do the full route. My friend lives within the LTN and he has mentioned that traffic has been even more horrendous than normal - queues pre LTN on the A23 southbound usually were from St Leonards Church to Leigham Avenue but these have increased back to Streatham Hill Station whilst northbound from St Leonards Church back to Tesco seems to be roughly the same. I can imgaine Tooting Bec Gardens is also worse than ever, a road that was already problematic with traffic for many years. One thing I think should be noted is whilst Labour Councils in London are introducing LTN's, there are Tory Councils outside London who have introduced them including, correct me if I'm wrong, Sunak's own council up in Yorkshire. Regardless, I've always been of the opinion that whilst I'm all for cutting car numbers drastically because there are too many IMO, LTN's have never been the way to do so. I saw the problems that my own area faced when we had LTN's put in and Lambeth Council has made them permanent despite numerous protests in Brixton, and so the same will happen in Streatham regardless which is also Lambeth run just like the ones in Oval, Tulse Hill & Streatham Hill have all been made permanent or will do so. I am dreading the “new” LTN which is planned to be implemented in Greenwich despite widespread opposition. For background LTNs were implemented iin west Greenwich during covid on crooms Hill and royal hill but were later removed owing to widespread opposition The new scheme envisages closing of crooms hill, royal hill, Maze Hill, Vanbrugh hill and Westcombe hill. This will be the new “largest” LTN. The catch being that there will be NO north/south traffic allowed between Greenwich south street and the A102, which is a distance of almost 2 miles!!!!!! The A2 is gridlocked most of the day anyway owing to pinch points where it narrows down, and the A102 will be carrying traffic for both the Blackwall tunnel and the Silvertown tunnel As you can imagine I expect total gridlock soon. The 53 and 386 in particular will be destroyed but I also expect the 89, 286 and 335 to be heavily impacted. The 132 has already fallen off the cliff in recent months so soon if I have to get to North Greenwich in the morning I will have to budget an hour for that (it already takes me 40 min most mornings from Blackheath!) Oh well, I will end up driving to office
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 13, 2023 6:57:35 GMT
The 118 has been the most affected route from my own observations - since the LTN was implemented, I've seen just about every turn possible at any time of the day bar nights including a rare Streatham Station turn. Others heavily turned I've noticed have been the 109, 159 & 250 with more than usual turns but to a lesser extent on the 133. The 333 seems to escaping this, most if not all still managing to do the full route. My friend lives within the LTN and he has mentioned that traffic has been even more horrendous than normal - queues pre LTN on the A23 southbound usually were from St Leonards Church to Leigham Avenue but these have increased back to Streatham Hill Station whilst northbound from St Leonards Church back to Tesco seems to be roughly the same. I can imgaine Tooting Bec Gardens is also worse than ever, a road that was already problematic with traffic for many years. One thing I think should be noted is whilst Labour Councils in London are introducing LTN's, there are Tory Councils outside London who have introduced them including, correct me if I'm wrong, Sunak's own council up in Yorkshire. Regardless, I've always been of the opinion that whilst I'm all for cutting car numbers drastically because there are too many IMO, LTN's have never been the way to do so. I saw the problems that my own area faced when we had LTN's put in and Lambeth Council has made them permanent despite numerous protests in Brixton, and so the same will happen in Streatham regardless which is also Lambeth run just like the ones in Oval, Tulse Hill & Streatham Hill have all been made permanent or will do so. I am dreading the “new” LTN which is planned to be implemented in Greenwich despite widespread opposition. For background LTNs were implemented iin west Greenwich during covid on crooms Hill and royal hill but were later removed owing to widespread opposition The new scheme envisages closing of crooms hill, royal hill, Maze Hill, Vanbrugh hill and Westcombe hill. This will be the new “largest” LTN. The catch being that there will be NO north/south traffic allowed between Greenwich south street and the A102, which is a distance of almost 2 miles!!!!!! The A2 is gridlocked most of the day anyway owing to pinch points where it narrows down, and the A102 will be carrying traffic for both the Blackwall tunnel and the Silvertown tunnel As you can imagine I expect total gridlock soon. The 53 and 386 in particular will be destroyed but I also expect the 89, 286 and 335 to be heavily impacted. The 132 has already fallen off the cliff in recent months so soon if I have to get to North Greenwich in the morning I will have to budget an hour for that (it already takes me 40 min most mornings from Blackheath!) Oh well, I will end up driving to office Surely they’d keep the 108/286/422 running down Westcombe Hill? I know Greenwich Council aren’t really bus friendly, but it would seem ludicrous to force these routes elsewhere/cut them short?
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Post by ronnie on Dec 13, 2023 14:31:28 GMT
I am dreading the “new” LTN which is planned to be implemented in Greenwich despite widespread opposition. For background LTNs were implemented iin west Greenwich during covid on crooms Hill and royal hill but were later removed owing to widespread opposition The new scheme envisages closing of crooms hill, royal hill, Maze Hill, Vanbrugh hill and Westcombe hill. This will be the new “largest” LTN. The catch being that there will be NO north/south traffic allowed between Greenwich south street and the A102, which is a distance of almost 2 miles!!!!!! The A2 is gridlocked most of the day anyway owing to pinch points where it narrows down, and the A102 will be carrying traffic for both the Blackwall tunnel and the Silvertown tunnel As you can imagine I expect total gridlock soon. The 53 and 386 in particular will be destroyed but I also expect the 89, 286 and 335 to be heavily impacted. The 132 has already fallen off the cliff in recent months so soon if I have to get to North Greenwich in the morning I will have to budget an hour for that (it already takes me 40 min most mornings from Blackheath!) Oh well, I will end up driving to office Surely they’d keep the 108/286/422 running down Westcombe Hill? I know Greenwich Council aren’t really bus friendly, but it would seem ludicrous to force these routes elsewhere/cut them short? They will be open to buses only The area is quite hilly so will make life very difficult for locals (and near-locals) I was about to explore some schooling / nursery options on Trafalgar road but won’t bother given it will be impossible to get there
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 29, 2024 5:26:56 GMT
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Post by busman on Feb 29, 2024 7:43:22 GMT
What a surprise. Did the councils think that we would just leave our cars at home? LTNs do not encourage people to abandon the car for other forms of transport. They just contribute to standing traffic creating more pollution, more delays and further reduces the appeal of shopping in these areas - which impacts local businesses. End LTNs that have not been voted by people living in the impacted areas. End blanket 20mph speed limits.
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Post by kmkcheng on Mar 1, 2024 14:37:11 GMT
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 1, 2024 14:43:45 GMT
There is a guy on twitter "Ediz" who is a cyclist but also a Bus Driver who has been exposing it all it's beyond a joke , can bet they won't get rid of them in total though will alter it maybe but they won't accept defeat .
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Post by vjaska on Mar 1, 2024 16:05:28 GMT
There is a guy on twitter "Ediz" who is a cyclist but also a Bus Driver who has been exposing it all it's beyond a joke , can bet they won't get rid of them in total though will alter it maybe but they won't accept defeat . Lambeth (my council) won't get rid of them - several have been made permanent already despite big opposition and this is in a borough that has low car ownership - now imagine if it's ownership rate was the opposite. I'm dubious as what changes they'll make to the Streatham LTN.
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 1, 2024 19:30:48 GMT
And Khan has been filmed denying all knowledge of the problem!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 1, 2024 21:16:29 GMT
Both him and Boris Johnson deserves to be taken to the stocks outside Tower of London and pelted with rotten fruit, imo they are the ones that actively encouraged this nonsense and done nothing but let them rot of them take hold. We are a laughing stock around the world for traffic management in London.
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Post by redbus on Mar 7, 2024 20:31:24 GMT
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Post by ronnie on Mar 7, 2024 20:55:27 GMT
Excellent news. All LTNs need to be ripped out asap for the greater common good
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 7, 2024 21:15:23 GMT
Suspended, but not withdrawn... hopefully it will be scrapped for good. Never saw the connection between Lockdown and the setup of these awful schemes?
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