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Post by Pilot on Dec 19, 2018 15:16:56 GMT
When a bus gets terminated early, what happens? Does it turn around and continue on the route towards the other destination? Sometimes the driver can be asked to run dead from the curtailment point to the first stop at the normal terminus to start going back the other way (providing the dead run routing is quicker than its normal routing).
A example can be is a 123 gets terminated early at Lordship Lane (Downhills Way) where the bus alights the passenger onboard the bus at The Roundway/West Arm stop then run dead via the 243 routing to Wood Green (Which is quicker & direct compared to the normal 123 routing via Turnpike Lane Station) and then restarts going back to Ilford at the first stop in Wood Green. Ah true that now that you said it, sometimes they even make you restart from random stop after you get curtailed by telling you to run light to specific place, thus it's kind of not exactly official curtailment. Happened to me few times, such turns feel like Christmas to me lol.
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 19, 2018 18:22:39 GMT
Probably a stupid question On the 690,are you allowed to board at N in the afternoon for Trip 7 or is it purely a deadrun? Thanks
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Post by busaholic on Dec 19, 2018 21:00:41 GMT
When a bus gets terminated early, what happens? Does it turn around and continue on the route towards the other destination? Sometimes the driver can be asked to run dead from the curtailment point to the first stop at the normal terminus to start going back the other way (providing the dead run routing is quicker than its normal routing).
A example can be is a 123 gets terminated early at Lordship Lane (Downhills Way) where the bus alights the passenger onboard the bus at The Roundway/West Arm stop then run dead via the 243 routing to Wood Green (Which is quicker & direct compared to the normal 123 routing via Turnpike Lane Station) and then restarts going back to Ilford at the first stop in Wood Green. i remember an article in Buses magazine after the 24 became the first route conversion to LT. The writer was rather peeved that, after deliberately avoiding a Westminster short-turning bus at Hampstead Heath, his Pimlico bus got turned at Westminster too. Some minutes later, he caught another 24 to Pimlico and was somewhat surprised to find the bus he'd been turfed off was there too, about to set off for Hampstead Heath. It had therefore achieved absolutely nothing by forcing the writer and fellow passengers off: it might have put some off ever using a bus in central London again. Metroline had only recently taken over the route, so I'll be charitable and suggest the controller was not over-familiar either with it or, perhaps, where a lot of passengers want to go i.e. on that particular journey Victoria Station. I note the 24's substantial decline in frequency during the bulk of the day since then.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 20, 2018 0:12:46 GMT
When a bus gets terminated early, what happens? Does it turn around and continue on the route towards the other destination? Sometimes. A variety of things can happen. Some routes have circuitous elements. The availability of shortcuts allow the bus to reach another point further along to reenter service. The old N35 for example was serially unreliable and regularly ran in service from Tottenham Court Road to London Bridge, dumped all 100 or so passengers on board then ran empty to Brixton to pick up its time towards Clapham Junction. When the operator changed 2 years ago, the reliability nosedived and there were plenty of curtailments at Camberwell Green in both directions instead. Some buses may proceed out of service along the line of route at a higher speed in order to close a gap. For example, I got on a 3 at Oxford Circus. At Trafalgar Square, a controller got on and instructed the driver to run out of service to Kennington Church. Said controller notified the passengers upstairs and gave them the option of remaining on board, but failed to tell those of us downstairs. The bus proceeded at high speed out of service with passengers on board. People were ringing the bell furiously and having a go at the driver, but he did not stop to let anybody on or off until we got to Kennington Church Sometimes the bus turns around, but waiting at the curtailment point is banned so the driver must drive at slow speed as required until a suitable gap has formed Sometimes the bus turns around and awaits time before heading back I've been given some curtailments I felt were pointless. 211 towards Waterloo, curtail at Victoria then run dead to Waterloo. Well there's no shortcut and road speeds are very low regardless. It achieved no time saving. Similarly the 188 towards Russell Square, curtailing at Elephant to run dead to Russell Square. Not quite a curtailment but I was on a N155 on NYE 2013/14 heading home to Oval after an Ambassador shift at Elephant & Castle. The bus was fully loaded on departure from the Elephant and the driver made an announcement to say he would not be stopping to let anybody on or off until Oval. And was true to his word, flooring that DOE up to about 45mph past the waiting crowds in Kennington despite that bell going off repeatedly!
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Post by sid on Dec 20, 2018 5:16:03 GMT
When a bus gets terminated early, what happens? Does it turn around and continue on the route towards the other destination? Sometimes. A variety of things can happen. Some routes have circuitous elements. The availability of shortcuts allow the bus to reach another point further along to reenter service. The old N35 for example was serially unreliable and regularly ran in service from Tottenham Court Road to London Bridge, dumped all 100 or so passengers on board then ran empty to Brixton to pick up its time towards Clapham Junction. When the operator changed 2 years ago, the reliability nosedived and there were plenty of curtailments at Camberwell Green in both directions instead. Some buses may proceed out of service along the line of route at a higher speed in order to close a gap. For example, I got on a 3 at Oxford Circus. At Trafalgar Square, a controller got on and instructed the driver to run out of service to Kennington Church. Said controller notified the passengers upstairs and gave them the option of remaining on board, but failed to tell those of us downstairs. The bus proceeded at high speed out of service with passengers on board. People were ringing the bell furiously and having a go at the driver, but he did not stop to let anybody on or off until we got to Kennington Church Sometimes the bus turns around, but waiting at the curtailment point is banned so the driver must drive at slow speed as required until a suitable gap has formed Sometimes the bus turns around and awaits time before heading back I've been given some curtailments I felt were pointless. 211 towards Waterloo, curtail at Victoria then run dead to Waterloo. Well there's no shortcut and road speeds are very low regardless. It achieved no time saving. Similarly the 188 towards Russell Square, curtailing at Elephant to run dead to Russell Square. Not quite a curtailment but I was on a N155 on NYE 2013/14 heading home to Oval after an Ambassador shift at Elephant & Castle. The bus was fully loaded on departure from the Elephant and the driver made an announcement to say he would not be stopping to let anybody on or off until Oval. And was true to his word, flooring that DOE up to about 45mph past the waiting crowds in Kennington despite that bell going off repeatedly! Quite honestly I think this is outrageous behaviour, how dare a driver refuse to stop and let people off? I'm surprised nobody used the emergency controls. The driver should be on a disciplinary and quite possibly out the door if he was doing 45mph. I agree that a lot of these curtailments are pointless, just put not in service on the front and run set down only.
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 20, 2018 18:10:44 GMT
Probably a stupid question On the 690,are you allowed to board at N in the afternoon for Trip 7 or is it purely a deadrun? Thanks Sorry for being impatient about this but does anyone know?Need it for tomorrow
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Post by paulsw2 on Dec 20, 2018 18:23:46 GMT
Probably a stupid question On the 690,are you allowed to board at N in the afternoon for Trip 7 or is it purely a deadrun? Thanks Sorry for being impatient about this but does anyone know?Need it for tomorrow NO it runs light to start its journey from the school
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 20, 2018 18:45:05 GMT
Sorry for being impatient about this but does anyone know?Need it for tomorrow NO it runs light to start its journey from the school Thanks Now I now what routes I can take tomorrow
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Post by redbus on Dec 20, 2018 19:18:16 GMT
Sometimes. A variety of things can happen. Some routes have circuitous elements. The availability of shortcuts allow the bus to reach another point further along to reenter service. The old N35 for example was serially unreliable and regularly ran in service from Tottenham Court Road to London Bridge, dumped all 100 or so passengers on board then ran empty to Brixton to pick up its time towards Clapham Junction. When the operator changed 2 years ago, the reliability nosedived and there were plenty of curtailments at Camberwell Green in both directions instead. Some buses may proceed out of service along the line of route at a higher speed in order to close a gap. For example, I got on a 3 at Oxford Circus. At Trafalgar Square, a controller got on and instructed the driver to run out of service to Kennington Church. Said controller notified the passengers upstairs and gave them the option of remaining on board, but failed to tell those of us downstairs. The bus proceeded at high speed out of service with passengers on board. People were ringing the bell furiously and having a go at the driver, but he did not stop to let anybody on or off until we got to Kennington Church Sometimes the bus turns around, but waiting at the curtailment point is banned so the driver must drive at slow speed as required until a suitable gap has formed Sometimes the bus turns around and awaits time before heading back I've been given some curtailments I felt were pointless. 211 towards Waterloo, curtail at Victoria then run dead to Waterloo. Well there's no shortcut and road speeds are very low regardless. It achieved no time saving. Similarly the 188 towards Russell Square, curtailing at Elephant to run dead to Russell Square. Not quite a curtailment but I was on a N155 on NYE 2013/14 heading home to Oval after an Ambassador shift at Elephant & Castle. The bus was fully loaded on departure from the Elephant and the driver made an announcement to say he would not be stopping to let anybody on or off until Oval. And was true to his word, flooring that DOE up to about 45mph past the waiting crowds in Kennington despite that bell going off repeatedly! Quite honestly I think this is outrageous behaviour, how dare a driver refuse to stop and let people off? I'm surprised nobody used the emergency controls. The driver should be on a disciplinary and quite possibly out the door if he was doing 45mph. I agree that a lot of these curtailments are pointless, just put not in service on the front and run set down only. If a controller gets on the bus and instructs the driver to run dead and passengers therefore cannot get off as expected, I would argue that it is the controller who is largely at fault - he has effectively commandeered the bus.
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Post by sid on Dec 20, 2018 19:29:25 GMT
Quite honestly I think this is outrageous behaviour, how dare a driver refuse to stop and let people off? I'm surprised nobody used the emergency controls. The driver should be on a disciplinary and quite possibly out the door if he was doing 45mph. I agree that a lot of these curtailments are pointless, just put not in service on the front and run set down only. If a controller gets on the bus and instructs the driver to run dead and passengers therefore cannot get off as expected, I would argue that it is the controller who is largely at fault - he has effectively commandeered the bus. I was referring to the N155 driver who it seemed took it upon himself to run non stop.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 20, 2018 21:08:27 GMT
Quite honestly I think this is outrageous behaviour, how dare a driver refuse to stop and let people off? I'm surprised nobody used the emergency controls. The driver should be on a disciplinary and quite possibly out the door if he was doing 45mph. I agree that a lot of these curtailments are pointless, just put not in service on the front and run set down only. Use of the emergency controls don't guarantee safe egress! One night on the N9 somebody pressed the centre door emergency button just as the bus was leaving the stop. The bus didn't stop, but rather carried on to about 40mph before serving the next stop - this was on Kensington High Street. Passengers were shouting and the alarm was ringing in the cab but to no avail. Sometimes you get drivers who will continue driving with someone wedged in the front doors - youtu.be/bO1TS0RstdoA lot of things that can't be made up happen on the buses, especially at night!
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Post by sid on Dec 20, 2018 21:40:25 GMT
Quite honestly I think this is outrageous behaviour, how dare a driver refuse to stop and let people off? I'm surprised nobody used the emergency controls. The driver should be on a disciplinary and quite possibly out the door if he was doing 45mph. I agree that a lot of these curtailments are pointless, just put not in service on the front and run set down only. Use of the emergency controls don't guarantee safe egress! One night on the N9 somebody pressed the centre door emergency button just as the bus was leaving the stop. The bus didn't stop, but rather carried on to about 40mph before serving the next stop - this was on Kensington High Street. Passengers were shouting and the alarm was ringing in the cab but to no avail. Sometimes you get drivers who will continue driving with someone wedged in the front doors - youtu.be/bO1TS0RstdoA lot of things that can't be made up happen on the buses, especially at night! I certainly wouldn't condone using the emergency door controls, two wrongs don't make a right, but I have known passengers to do that to force the driver to stop. The conduct of some drivers amazes me with CCTV everywhere nowadays.
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Post by VPL630 on Dec 26, 2018 11:41:27 GMT
Quite honestly I think this is outrageous behaviour, how dare a driver refuse to stop and let people off? I'm surprised nobody used the emergency controls. The driver should be on a disciplinary and quite possibly out the door if he was doing 45mph. I agree that a lot of these curtailments are pointless, just put not in service on the front and run set down only. Use of the emergency controls don't guarantee safe egress! One night on the N9 somebody pressed the centre door emergency button just as the bus was leaving the stop. The bus didn't stop, but rather carried on to about 40mph before serving the next stop - this was on Kensington High Street. Passengers were shouting and the alarm was ringing in the cab but to no avail. Sometimes you get drivers who will continue driving with someone wedged in the front doors - youtu.be/bO1TS0RstdoA lot of things that can't be made up happen on the buses, especially at night! Driving Citaros and Scania are the best when you have unruly passengers, because the doors don’t open when you press the button, it just dumps the air out of the system and you have to physically force the doors open which can be quite resistant on some vehicles, a quick press of the door reset button in the cab quickly replenishes the air in the system and will slam the doors shut with force if anyone is in the way of them.
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Post by sid on Dec 26, 2018 13:01:56 GMT
Use of the emergency controls don't guarantee safe egress! One night on the N9 somebody pressed the centre door emergency button just as the bus was leaving the stop. The bus didn't stop, but rather carried on to about 40mph before serving the next stop - this was on Kensington High Street. Passengers were shouting and the alarm was ringing in the cab but to no avail. Sometimes you get drivers who will continue driving with someone wedged in the front doors - youtu.be/bO1TS0RstdoA lot of things that can't be made up happen on the buses, especially at night! Driving Citaros and Scania are the best when you have unruly passengers, because the doors don’t open when you press the button, it just dumps the air out of the system and you have to physically force the doors open which can be quite resistant on some vehicles, a quick press of the door reset button in the cab quickly replenishes the air in the system and will slam the doors shut with force if anyone is in the way of them. And if somebody gets injured who is going to get the blame?
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Post by snoggle on Dec 30, 2018 15:41:14 GMT
Hopefully a simple question - where does the 246 terminate / start from at Chartwell? I know it's a few months before it resumes service to Chartwell but Google maps isn't clear as to what happens - presumably because there is no timetable / stop data to reflect on the map. Does it turn via the Car Park facility? That looks to be the only viable way for a bus to turn round.
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