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Post by Max B on Dec 6, 2019 21:20:06 GMT
I highly doubt the 198’s T’s are getting replaced early. Surely these T’s will release T68 and T69 back to DX where they’re needed to replace the last VLA’s. If the 60 and 412’s buses are about to be refurbished once the 250’s batch are complete then the 102’s T’s will be required at TC too I would think. It’ll be great to see the lower numbered T’s around Croydon though The 198s buses cannot do until the end of the tender without being upgraded. With the 102 ceasing T operation, there are bound to be surplus Ts for withdrawal so it makes sense to replace any 08 reg Ts that are not E6 with as many already Euro 6. I should imagine the 173s Ts will also fit into the picture somehow as they’re Euro 6. I imagine T1-11 will be used to replace 08 reg that aren’t Euro 6 and the Ts from the 173 used to withdraw 08 reg buses that aren’t upgraded with many a few more upgraded. If they are going have to the buses surplus why bother upgrading more when they can switch the same age buses and still get the desired result. The Ts on the 466 apart from those from the 102 currently cannot be used past October 2020 without an upgrade, Ts on the 198 except from those transferred cannot be used past October 2020. Route 198s contract ends after this date so will need Euro 6 buses to end its contract which can be obtained through the 102/173. The 466 contract expires before the Ts need to be upgraded however if they intend to put the Ts contractually on the 264 in a swap with the newer DWs then the 264 will require Euro 6 Ts to complete is extension. I think everyone on here gets the picture that buses need to be Euro6 by October 2020. Swapping the 466’s T’s on the 264 is pointless, the 264 already has “euro6” 62reg buses, and the 466 is bound to get compliant buses from the 106 and 230 when it’s new contract starts in August. The 198 is more likely to get the 173’s Ts to see out its contract to oust out the older Ts it’s currently using.
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Post by Max B on Dec 6, 2019 21:23:00 GMT
I was thinking this too. It would just be better for the 198 to continue using T12-26 untill it's contract is up, but it will certainly need new buses whether retained or not on it's next tender. I thought the 173 Ts would replace those on the 198 ... They would be better off with them when the 173 starts it’s new contract next year.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2019 21:40:10 GMT
I believe the following have been acquired by Tower Transit for the 218 (DE1899-1906): YX11AEW YX11AEY YX11AEZ YX11AFA YX11AFE YX11AFF YX11AFJ YX11CNK VWH1414 says DE1908 has also been acquired so possibly DE1907 is also with them as well. I've seem pictures of the following at the H&D trim: DML44183 YX11AEY (ex DE1900) DML44185 YX11AFA (ex DE1902) DML44187 YX11AFF (ex DE1904) DML44188 YX11CNO (ex DE1908) So it looks like DE1898-1904/1908 are definitely going (As DML44181-44188), but it looks like DE1906/1907 haven't gone to TT - although they may have gone to CT Plus with DE1909 (Was on the W19 today) for the PVR increase on the W19. DE1906 was confirmed back in October along with DE1899-DE1905 in the Tower Transit thread by a Tower Transit employee. DE1907 was merely speculation on my behalf
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 6, 2019 22:16:41 GMT
I've seem pictures of the following at the H&D trim: DML44183 YX11AEY (ex DE1900) DML44185 YX11AFA (ex DE1902) DML44187 YX11AFF (ex DE1904) DML44188 YX11CNO (ex DE1908) So it looks like DE1898-1904/1908 are definitely going (As DML44181-44188), but it looks like DE1906/1907 haven't gone to TT - although they may have gone to CT Plus with DE1909 (Was on the W19 today) for the PVR increase on the W19. DE1906 was confirmed back in October along with DE1899-DE1905 in the Tower Transit thread by a Tower Transit employee. DE1907 was merely speculation on my behalf Then it looks like DE1907/1909/1910 are the ones that may have gone to CT Plus (1909 definitely). Tomorrow will certainly be an interesting day for changes.
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 6, 2019 22:16:55 GMT
The 198s buses cannot do until the end of the tender without being upgraded. With the 102 ceasing T operation, there are bound to be surplus Ts for withdrawal so it makes sense to replace any 08 reg Ts that are not E6 with as many already Euro 6. I should imagine the 173s Ts will also fit into the picture somehow as they’re Euro 6. I imagine T1-11 will be used to replace 08 reg that aren’t Euro 6 and the Ts from the 173 used to withdraw 08 reg buses that aren’t upgraded with many a few more upgraded. If they are going have to the buses surplus why bother upgrading more when they can switch the same age buses and still get the desired result. The Ts on the 466 apart from those from the 102 currently cannot be used past October 2020 without an upgrade, Ts on the 198 except from those transferred cannot be used past October 2020. Route 198s contract ends after this date so will need Euro 6 buses to end its contract which can be obtained through the 102/173. The 466 contract expires before the Ts need to be upgraded however if they intend to put the Ts contractually on the 264 in a swap with the newer DWs then the 264 will require Euro 6 Ts to complete is extension. I think everyone on here gets the picture that buses need to be Euro6 by October 2020. Swapping the 466’s T’s on the 264 is pointless, the 264 already has “euro6” 62reg buses, and the 466 is bound to get compliant buses from the 106 and 259 when it’s new contract starts in August. The 198 is more likely to get the 173’s Ts to see out its contract to oust out the older Ts it’s currently using. 259? Don’t you mean the 230?
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Post by Max B on Dec 6, 2019 22:25:30 GMT
I think everyone on here gets the picture that buses need to be Euro6 by October 2020. Swapping the 466’s T’s on the 264 is pointless, the 264 already has “euro6” 62reg buses, and the 466 is bound to get compliant buses from the 106 and 259 when it’s new contract starts in August. The 198 is more likely to get the 173’s Ts to see out its contract to oust out the older Ts it’s currently using. 259? Don’t you mean the 230? Yes. My mistake.
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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 7, 2019 7:52:32 GMT
SP40088 HH>FW
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 9:26:49 GMT
ADH45024 S>V
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Post by george on Dec 7, 2019 10:16:14 GMT
Just seen it front destination blind still missing.
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Post by Max B on Dec 7, 2019 15:28:09 GMT
9401 QB > BC.
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 7, 2019 17:11:35 GMT
Fantastic to see this one move into BC, will definitely be of interest when I come back to London again next week
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Post by M1104 on Dec 7, 2019 18:08:38 GMT
That means that 'numerically speaking' Beddington presently have three variant deckers that are the first of its type within the fleet; 9401 - first E40D 2401 - first E40H 2487 - first E40H (MMC variant)
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Dec 7, 2019 19:27:13 GMT
That means that 'numerically speaking' Beddington presently have three variant deckers that are the first of its kind within the fleet; 9401 - first E40D 2401 - first E40H 2487 - first E40H (MMC variant) My memory is a little hazy here but didn’t BC have 9701 in the past? Seems like a trend is forming here. I’m thrilled that 9401 is now at BC. Makes my pending trip on the 407 all the more urgent!
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Post by rhys on Dec 7, 2019 19:35:06 GMT
That means that 'numerically speaking' Beddington presently have three variant deckers that are the first of its kind within the fleet; 9401 - first E40D 2401 - first E40H 2487 - first E40H (MMC variant) My memory is a little hazy here but didn’t BC have 9701 in the past? Seems like a trend is forming here. I’m thrilled that 9401 is now at BC. Makes my pending trip on the 407 all the more urgent! Indeed so, for route 3. Although it's a single decker, they also had 8501 in the past.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 7, 2019 19:47:33 GMT
My memory is a little hazy here but didn’t BC have 9701 in the past? Seems like a trend is forming here. I’m thrilled that 9401 is now at BC. Makes my pending trip on the 407 all the more urgent! Indeed so, for route 3. Although it's a single decker, they also had 8501 in the past. They also had single deckers DA1 for the 322 and DP1 for the G1, this being at a time when Tridents 9701+ were still labelled as TA1+. Come to think of it I think even 9401+ were originally labelled as ED1+ with 8501 i think as ES401. However their idents didn't last long prior to renumbering into the National Express sequence.
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