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Post by VMH2452 on Mar 23, 2019 19:38:04 GMT
What is the long term plan for the 393?
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Post by redbus on Mar 23, 2019 20:00:34 GMT
Could a super capacitor single deck bus be developed? It would have the advantage of providing some of the power from the capacitor without the heavy battery like the WHYs had. Good question. I don't believe the super or ultra capacitor is yet sufficiently developed to be a sensible option to be the sole power source for a single deck bus. In a way the key word is yet as there's are lots of good people researching battery development, not just ultra capacitors, but other forms of battery which potentially offer even better performance. I believe that it is only a matter of time before ultra capacitors or an even better type of battery become a commercial reality not just for single deckers, but double deckers too.
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 20:08:06 GMT
Could a super capacitor single deck bus be developed? It would have the advantage of providing some of the power from the capacitor without the heavy battery like the WHYs had. Yes, I believe it most definitely could. However hybrid single decks don't actually seem to be popular in the UK as a whole, you may as well go for electric. Hybrid technology, is starting to become a bit dated in my opinion. Definitely, I think hybrids were only intended as a stop gap measure until all electric vehicles became a viable option.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 23, 2019 20:52:19 GMT
It may come as no surprise but it’s been reported that the new E200s delivered have failed the route test for 393 at several locations. It is possible that either DEs in the 11** series or even hired arriva ENs maybe used instead. Apparently a new order for the correct size buses has been placed Sorry to be pedantic, but the route test failed using an existing 10.2m DE, not the new 10.9m version. Thereby ruling that ONLY DEM-length vehicles can be used.
It is odd that 10.2m DE failed the test, as Arriva have operated some similar ENLs on route 393 themselves. Somebody is bound to have covered this already. It's just that I entered Metroline 393 on Flickr and the only Metorline 393s that came up were examples of DEM1300s. Oh well, quite refreshing to have some work from a garage other than PB for a change (although ON had their ex-First examples).
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 23, 2019 21:01:36 GMT
The 393 is set to be operated using Arriva's ENSs topped up with a handful of DEMs from Potters Bar; with DEs going the other way. This suggests that the erroneous DELs are not going to be used in service. I shall see either way in the posts I haven't reached yet.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 23, 2019 21:05:30 GMT
I presume some will still go to TH as refurb floats or has that been paused? Most probably paused if they're being used on the 393. TH can use one of the 12 reg ENS as a refurb float due to the 410 PVR decrease of -1 last year and even transfer one SLS over from Norwood as cover if needs be. Or maybe, as not all ENSs are needed for continuing service on route 393 given Metrolne's own spare DEs for PB, those ENSs saved can help kickstart the route 410 ENS refurbs?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 23, 2019 21:08:31 GMT
I presume all the ENS will go over with roughly 3 DEM's moving from PB to the 393. No ENL's are expected to move especially as the 393 failed a route test with a DE (I'm aware that the 393's ENL's are the same length as Metroline's DE's). Maybe not all, as a fair few DEMs as reported by someone just before me, have gone out of service today, and more then 3 DEs have gone to PB (DE1151/1165/1169/1587/1617 so far) with 10 DEMs out of service (I'm assuming another 5 spare DEs will go to PB, as plenty are spare at the moment). I'm assuming from this that only some ENS will go to HT as cover, to keep up the numbers. I wonder if in future all DEMs (By this I mean to create a full TVR for the 393) will go to HT for the 393 instead, as no new buses have been ordered for now? Something good that has come out of this is that the 491 has now got a full DE allocation, as I remember people saying it is a busy route. My DEM on route 491 last July was fairly busy. As it was downgrade from 102. ENL with Arriva to mixed 10.2m DE/ 9.3m DEM with Metroline, and I think reduced to every 20 minutes at the same time, the buses are bound to have become busier.
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Post by richard on Mar 24, 2019 0:56:34 GMT
This may have been mentioned already the DEMs for the 393 that was then renamed DLE has now disappeared from Vehicle Finder
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Post by COBO on Mar 24, 2019 1:09:10 GMT
This may have been mentioned already the DEMs for the 393 that was then renamed DLE has now disappeared from Vehicle Finder No they haven’t. The DEMs originally for the 393 have been renamed DEL not DLE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 1:22:59 GMT
This may have been mentioned already the DEMs for the 393 that was then renamed DLE has now disappeared from Vehicle Finder No they haven’t. The DEMs originally for the 393 have been renamed DEL not DLE. They were renamed DLE on LVF, they made a typo, they are DEL as you say,
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Post by LT 20181 on Mar 24, 2019 9:09:27 GMT
No they haven’t. The DEMs originally for the 393 have been renamed DEL not DLE. They were renamed DLE on LVF, they made a typo, they are DEL as you say, They've now been recoded to DEL on LVF.
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Post by COBO on Mar 24, 2019 12:00:46 GMT
According to yahoo group another bath of 9.7m Enviro 200 MMCs has been ordered for the 393 for a delivery in 6-8 months is that true? False. So what's the long term plan for the 393 will the loaned Arriva London ENS' stay with the 393 for the whole contract? Don't Arriva London want them back? What's the plan for DELs that were originally ordered for the 393?
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 24, 2019 12:17:39 GMT
So what's the long term plan for the 393 will the loaned Arriva London ENS' stay with the 393 for the whole contract? Don't Arriva London want them back? What's the plan for DELs that were originally ordered for the 393? Evidently, if Arriva did have any plans for the ENSs, they have decided that hiring them to Metroline is more lucrative just for now. They have little book value anyway given their age, and Arriva are hardly expanding their operations outside London at the moment. Arriva also has "form" when it comes to hiring to Metroline, remember the Optare Solos on the H2/H3/631? We shall have to wait and see what Metroline does, both with the DELs (currently in store at Perivale) and with any order for new buses for the 393. I can't see the hired buses being acquired and doing the whole contract, again because of their age.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 24, 2019 12:22:31 GMT
So what's the long term plan for the 393 will the loaned Arriva London ENS' stay with the 393 for the whole contract? Don't Arriva London want them back? What's the plan for DELs that were originally ordered for the 393? Only guessing but possibly the 393 will convert to fully DEM using more PB examples with the 234 gaining a full DE allocation using DE's displaced from wherever the DEL's end up. I thought the 95 was a good place for the DEL's to go but I was rightfully reminded about a possible restriction that the 487 has that could affect the 95 - the 226 or 316 are probably ideal candidates.
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Post by l1group on Mar 24, 2019 12:26:17 GMT
I'm not sure where the low bridge is but it started tracking at Upper Clapton Road. It could really be happening. The VW from yesterday turned out to be ENS3: www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/40489476643ENS3 is the only one from LVF which did not correlate to sightings in real life, as the rest were either temps which ended up being ENSs, ENSs that were identified, or DEMs. LVF history shows the last day of service being the 22nd, but clearly sighted on the 23rd by photograph. Also ENS3 tracked to same times as the VW times, with iBus completely on.
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