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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 17, 2019 20:40:18 GMT
I'm happy with that - will be sad when the TEs go. Overall it probably (like the VPs withdrawal) depends on the electrics going into service at PB, releasing VMHs to PA and dispersing some VWs to EW for the 240. I agree with you in some respects, though the older LK56/57/08 TEs are becoming very worn on the inside and out, struggling to power through some of the hills on the 240. Your theory would make sense; the electrics at PB are due to be introduced soon as they are nearly ready for service I believe? They are getting a bit worn, but those hills are a killer to no matter what buses go on them, and the TEs have done well on them. They are definitely some of the fastest buses I've ever been on, had them reach nearly 70 on the motorway before. The first 3 OMEs enter service on Monday, (OME2650-2652) depending on how those do will depend on how quickly everything moves around.
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Post by E279 on Aug 17, 2019 20:50:28 GMT
Take this with a pinch of salt because I don't know if its true or not but speaking to 2 of the 317 drivers today, they are under the impression that 6 VWHs will remain at PB for the 317 with the others going to PA for the 90/31. This seemingly still leaves Metroline with 4 unallocated VMHs, I guess they could partially convert the 297. Again, take this with a pinch of salt because it hasn't been confirmed, I'm just relaying what I've been told.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 17, 2019 21:45:17 GMT
Take this with a pinch of salt because I don't know if its true or not but speaking to 2 of the 317 drivers today, they are under the impression that 6 VWHs will remain at PB for the 317 with the others going to PA for the 90/31. This seemingly still leaves Metroline with 4 unallocated VMHs, I guess they could partially convert the 297. Again, take this with a pinch of salt because it hasn't been confirmed, I'm just relaying what I've been told. I think we'll see: OMEs enter service at PB VMHs at PB move to PA VWs at PA move to EW I find it more likely that some of the 34's VWHs will stay at PB for the 125's extension and the 317 than the VMHs, of course once the 134 converts to electrics, and VMHs have moved to PA, then it makes sense to simplify the fleet at PB by ousting all VMHs and the only hybrid DDs at the garage being VWHs
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Post by E279 on Aug 17, 2019 21:47:40 GMT
Take this with a pinch of salt because I don't know if its true or not but speaking to 2 of the 317 drivers today, they are under the impression that 6 VWHs will remain at PB for the 317 with the others going to PA for the 90/31. This seemingly still leaves Metroline with 4 unallocated VMHs, I guess they could partially convert the 297. Again, take this with a pinch of salt because it hasn't been confirmed, I'm just relaying what I've been told. I think we'll see: OMEs enter service at PB VMHs at PB move to PA VWs at PA move to EW I find it more likely that some of the 34's VWHs will stay at PB for the 125's extension and the 317 than the VMHs, of course once the 134 converts to electrics, and VMHs have moved to PA, then it makes sense to simplify the fleet at PB by ousting all VMHs and the only hybrid DDs at the garage being VWHs However Metroline generally don’t care how many types they have at a single garage, I take HT as an example or EW when the 292 contract started they went in and introduced a new type there when there were vacant TEHs.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 17, 2019 21:54:52 GMT
I think we'll see: OMEs enter service at PB VMHs at PB move to PA VWs at PA move to EW I find it more likely that some of the 34's VWHs will stay at PB for the 125's extension and the 317 than the VMHs, of course once the 134 converts to electrics, and VMHs have moved to PA, then it makes sense to simplify the fleet at PB by ousting all VMHs and the only hybrid DDs at the garage being VWHs However Metroline generally don’t care how many types they have at a single garage, I take HT as an example or EW when the 292 contract started they went in and introduced a new type there when there were vacant TEHs. It is of course possible, but the VWs at EW or the TEs at ON make up allocations, meanwhile, keeping such a small number of VMHs for the 317 at PB seems silly. Given that PB drivers are already type trained on the VMHs, it wouldn't be too surprising in the VMHs stayed I suppose
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 18, 2019 9:43:35 GMT
However Metroline generally don’t care how many types they have at a single garage, I take HT as an example or EW when the 292 contract started they went in and introduced a new type there when there were vacant TEHs. It is of course possible, but the VWs at EW or the TEs at ON make up allocations, meanwhile, keeping such a small number of VMHs for the 317 at PB seems silly. Given that PB drivers are already type trained on the VMHs, it wouldn't be too surprising in the VMHs stayed I suppose I think this will happen, unless the 317 either keeps a permanent allocation of TEs instead of hybrids, or receives some of the 34's VWHs.
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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 18, 2019 10:25:56 GMT
However Metroline generally don’t care how many types they have at a single garage, I take HT as an example or EW when the 292 contract started they went in and introduced a new type there when there were vacant TEHs. It is of course possible, but the VWs at EW or the TEs at ON make up allocations, meanwhile, keeping such a small number of VMHs for the 317 at PB seems silly. Given that PB drivers are already type trained on the VMHs, it wouldn't be too surprising in the VMHs stayed I suppose Tbh I can see all VMHs going to PA, and then VWHs staying - a few pages back I made a theoretical fleet plan for PB, here is my revised one: VWH2024-2042 - 125 (Includes Buses for the extension) VWH2043-2050 - 231 VWH2051-2056 - 317 VWH2057-2061/TE1420-1430 - W8 TE1308/1431-1448 - 263 TE939-943/946/947/949/976/978/980/982/1309/1311/1312/1315/1316 - 307 (Would be the last to have Euro IV TEs allocated) Now for SDs: DE1151-1154/1158/1159/1163-1165/1167/1169 - Would utilise the ex 214 buses and also allow withdrawl of 58 reg ex First DEs currently at PB - A few 11xx DE are also already at PB from previous transfers DE1327-1336 - 491 (DE1328-1330 are now available to finally complete allocation) DEM1337-1347 - 382 (After 393 receives new DEMs) DEM1348-1353 - 384 Would leave DEM1354-1356 spare, which could stay at PB as general top ups. DEM1912-1918 can go off lease if leased, if not then sold. Like I said at the start this is all theoretical ideas.
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Post by LT 20181 on Aug 18, 2019 11:06:12 GMT
It is of course possible, but the VWs at EW or the TEs at ON make up allocations, meanwhile, keeping such a small number of VMHs for the 317 at PB seems silly. Given that PB drivers are already type trained on the VMHs, it wouldn't be too surprising in the VMHs stayed I suppose Tbh I can see all VMHs going to PA, and then VWHs staying - a few pages back I made a theoretical fleet plan for PB, here is my revised one: VWH2024-2042 - 125 (Includes Buses for the extension) VWH2043-2050 - 231 VWH2051-2056 - 317 VWH2057-2061/TE1420-1430 - W8 TE1308/1431-1448 - 263 TE939-943/946/947/949/976/978/980/982/1309/1311/1312/1315/1316 - 307 (Would be the last to have Euro IV TEs allocated) Now for SDs: DE1151-1154/1158/1159/1163-1165/1167/1169 - Would utilise the ex 214 buses and also allow withdrawl of 58 reg ex First DEs currently at PB - A few 11xx DE are also already at PB from previous transfers DE1327-1336 - 491 (DE1328-1330 are now available to finally complete allocation) DEM1337-1347 - 382 (After 393 receives new DEMs) DEM1348-1353 - 384 Would leave DEM1354-1356 spare, which could stay at PB as general top ups. DEM1912-1918 can go off lease if leased, if not then sold. Like I said at the start this is all theoretical ideas. I would also like to add onto your plan and have DE1320-26 (also released from the 214) reallocated at UX for the H13 which is gained in a few weeks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 11:58:49 GMT
Tbh I can see all VMHs going to PA, and then VWHs staying - a few pages back I made a theoretical fleet plan for PB, here is my revised one: VWH2024-2042 - 125 (Includes Buses for the extension) VWH2043-2050 - 231 VWH2051-2056 - 317 VWH2057-2061/TE1420-1430 - W8 TE1308/1431-1448 - 263 TE939-943/946/947/949/976/978/980/982/1309/1311/1312/1315/1316 - 307 (Would be the last to have Euro IV TEs allocated) Now for SDs: DE1151-1154/1158/1159/1163-1165/1167/1169 - Would utilise the ex 214 buses and also allow withdrawl of 58 reg ex First DEs currently at PB - A few 11xx DE are also already at PB from previous transfers DE1327-1336 - 491 (DE1328-1330 are now available to finally complete allocation) DEM1337-1347 - 382 (After 393 receives new DEMs) DEM1348-1353 - 384 Would leave DEM1354-1356 spare, which could stay at PB as general top ups. DEM1912-1918 can go off lease if leased, if not then sold. Like I said at the start this is all theoretical ideas. I would also like to add onto your plan and have DE1320-26 (also released from the 214) reallocated at UX for the H13 which is gained in a few weeks The spare DEMs could be used for the 384 extension to Edgware if it goes ahead
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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 18, 2019 12:09:18 GMT
Tbh I can see all VMHs going to PA, and then VWHs staying - a few pages back I made a theoretical fleet plan for PB, here is my revised one: VWH2024-2042 - 125 (Includes Buses for the extension) VWH2043-2050 - 231 VWH2051-2056 - 317 VWH2057-2061/TE1420-1430 - W8 TE1308/1431-1448 - 263 TE939-943/946/947/949/976/978/980/982/1309/1311/1312/1315/1316 - 307 (Would be the last to have Euro IV TEs allocated) Now for SDs: DE1151-1154/1158/1159/1163-1165/1167/1169 - Would utilise the ex 214 buses and also allow withdrawl of 58 reg ex First DEs currently at PB - A few 11xx DE are also already at PB from previous transfers DE1327-1336 - 491 (DE1328-1330 are now available to finally complete allocation) DEM1337-1347 - 382 (After 393 receives new DEMs) DEM1348-1353 - 384 Would leave DEM1354-1356 spare, which could stay at PB as general top ups. DEM1912-1918 can go off lease if leased, if not then sold. Like I said at the start this is all theoretical ideas. I would also like to add onto your plan and have DE1320-26 (also released from the 214) reallocated at UX for the H13 which is gained in a few weeks Oh my plan was for PB only, but yeah that will probably happen
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Post by E279 on Aug 18, 2019 13:32:18 GMT
I would also like to add onto your plan and have DE1320-26 (also released from the 214) reallocated at UX for the H13 which is gained in a few weeks Oh my plan was for PB only, but yeah that will probably happen In terms of your SD plan, we will most likely see changes occur this week (Monday - Friday.) seeing as the 214 was lost on Friday night.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 18, 2019 13:44:39 GMT
Are DE1320-30 owned or leased?
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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 18, 2019 14:28:05 GMT
Are DE1320-30 owned or leased? DE1318-1336 are all most likely owned - I believe it is mainly ex First vehicles that are leased. They were also all recently refurbished - a sign they are being kept.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 18, 2019 14:59:47 GMT
Are DE1320-30 owned or leased? DE1318-1336 are all most likely owned - I believe it is mainly ex First vehicles that are leased. They were also all recently refurbished - a sign they are being kept. Ah ok. I woud expect the DEs which aren't going the the H13 to be used somewhere else in that case, even if it is just to oust some older examples
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Post by E279 on Aug 18, 2019 15:12:01 GMT
DE1318-1336 are all most likely owned - I believe it is mainly ex First vehicles that are leased. They were also all recently refurbished - a sign they are being kept. Ah ok. I woud expect the DEs which aren't going the the H13 to be used somewhere else in that case, even if it is just to oust some older examples I recon they'll end up at PB, the majority of them as to replace the 58 reg Ex-First DE's.
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